Is The Domain Buying Game All "Sizzle" and No "Steak"? - GoFuckYourself.com

GTS Mark · 01-24-2006, 08:42 PM

Not to take a shot at Rick Latona, I respect him greatly. But the big buzz right now in adult and mainstream is domain name buying and I for one think that we might be in a big bubble for this kind of business.

I read this article a few weeks ago in Business 2.0 and thought "damn this market is going to fall out very quickly!"
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/busin...4591/index.htm

What are your guys thoughts on this matter? Are domains that are purchased now going to appreciate greatly and be worth a lot more later on or is it all just "sizzle" and no "steak"? Is this a big pump and dump?

DH

MrIzzz · 01-24-2006, 08:47 PM

"moose steaks" are THE next big thing...beleive me. no one listened to me when i said bison burgers would be huge and now look...

buy moose meat stock and you will all be rich like canadians

cyber_ninja · 01-24-2006, 08:48 PM

i think any adult domain that had 2 words or less will be worth money in the next few years,a lot of new webmasters are buying domains so we are getting short

Supply and demand

GTS Mark · 01-24-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MrIzzz

"moose steaks" are THE next big thing...beleive me. no one listened to me when i said bison burgers would be huge and now look...

buy moose meat stock and you will all be rich like canadians

O R'LY!!!!???

DH

Stallion · 01-24-2006, 08:49 PM

It goes through its cycles. It died off abit, and now its getting better.

beemk · 01-24-2006, 08:50 PM

i think they're good investments if you can find good deals, just like most other things.

WiredGuy · 01-24-2006, 08:52 PM

I think so long as the PPC market is doing well, the domain market will follow as there is a correlation (not direct, albeit a correlation) between the two.
WG

Ice · 01-24-2006, 08:54 PM

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm Steak

triumph · 01-24-2006, 08:56 PM

It could be in a bubble, but you have to look at it in a way that it is still young and growing, and has alot of potential to grow bigger.

Biggy2 · 01-24-2006, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I think so long as the PPC market is doing well, the domain market will follow as there is a correlation (not direct, albeit a correlation) between the two.
WG

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Rick Latona · 01-24-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDER

Not to take a shot at Rick Latona, I respect him greatly. But the big buzz right now in adult and mainstream is domain name buying and I for one think that we might be in a big bubble for this kind of business.

I read this article a few weeks ago in Business 2.0 and thought "damn this market is going to fall out very quickly!"
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/busin...4591/index.htm

What are your guys thoughts on this matter? Are domains that are purchased now going to appreciate greatly and be worth a lot more later on or is it all just "sizzle" and no "steak"? Is this a big pump and dump?

DH

Hit me up on ICQ and I'll explain my thoughts. I'm not going to educate the whole board.

SomeCreep · 01-24-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ice

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm Steak

That's what I was thinking. I'm hungry

Pornwolf · 01-24-2006, 09:07 PM

Anything they are not making more of turns it into a product that is in demand.

Domains are exactly like real estate except with higher margins that matures faster.

The only thing that will make "the bubble" burst is if there becomes a new standard for finding websites. Ya never know, it could happen.

slapass · 01-24-2006, 09:10 PM

The only thing that makes it seem a bit shaky is the typein traffic. They sell it to search engines but i doubt many people over the age of twelve type stuff in. The conversion rates are not what people claim. I own some really small type ins and over time it adds up but nothing like people think.

sacX · 01-24-2006, 09:14 PM

it's not one market.. some domains are bought on pure speculation others return income as soon as you set them up.

BradShaw · 01-24-2006, 09:15 PM

I thought this in 1997, a few people are really laughing all the way to the bank these days. I would not throw out $5million, or even $1million these days, but god bless Rick and others. I am just very conservative with my funds. Hard to make millions, very easy to lose them.

Theprincipal · 01-24-2006, 09:38 PM

Could someone explain to me how buying .com is a big risk? As long as .net or something like it become the new thing. People would always type in for .com

PimpDaddyPants · 01-24-2006, 09:43 PM

I see it lasting since some people register a name that later becomes a corporate name or slogan or product and they get quite a few pennies for it.

thats my 2ct's

Steen2 · 01-24-2006, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PimpDaddyPants

I see it lasting since some people register a name that later becomes a corporate name or slogan or product and they get quite a few pennies for it.

thats my 2ct's

WIPO, NAF, lawuit? Those mean anything to you?

slapass · 01-24-2006, 10:20 PM

How many sites do you go to like men.com or miniblinds.com? So few names like that turn into real sites.

crockett · 01-24-2006, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

How many sites do you go to like men.com or miniblinds.com? So few names like that turn into real sites.

very true..

Brujah · 01-24-2006, 10:26 PM

Steak baby.

KRL · 01-24-2006, 10:33 PM

Steak???

More like Filet Mignon and Lobster!

Out of all my online business friends, I'd say the wealthiest ones by far are the guys that have invested their money in building huge portfolios of mainstream and adult domains.

Domains are just like owning prime real estate, pure and simple.

WiredGuy · 01-24-2006, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KRL

Steak???

More like Filet Mignon and Lobster!

Out of all my online business friends, I'd say the wealthiest ones by far are the guys that have invested their money in building huge portfolios of mainstream and adult domains.

Domains are just like owning prime real estate, pure and simple.

Now that's a surf and turf! I forgot what we were even talking about in this thread, lol.

WG

KRL · 01-24-2006, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

How many sites do you go to like men.com or miniblinds.com? So few names like that turn into real sites.

You don't necessarily need real sites to make money with domains.

Taboo · 01-25-2006, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDER

What are your guys thoughts on this matter? Are domains that are purchased now going to appreciate greatly and be worth a lot more later on or is it all just "sizzle" and no "steak"? Is this a big pump and dump?

DH

Yes I believe some domains will appreciate. But it depends what you're buying & why. I buy domains to develop, but if I have too much on the backburner or someone is interested in the domain, I'll consider any serious offer. I'm still buying and selling, but I'm not moving in the same direction as the PPC/Traffic part of the industry. I focus on brandable domains with or without traffic. Companies/Startups are still buying brandable domains from me and traffic hasn't been a factor/dealbreaker. Even though I have negotiated with some of the large PPC buyers who only care about traffic and are offering 3x-8x+ revenues, I've been able to sell a few domains this year for substantial cash up front (5 & 6 figure deals) + % of revenue (ad &/or sales) AND received equity stakes in the newly formed companies (10%-49%). FYI, I had to fight for these type of deals, the negotiations were drawn out, but it made sense to all parties involved in the end.

But right now there are probably new domain speculators buying countless domains who are mortgaging their houses and taking huge gambles on a market they haven't taken the proper time to study... so a crash will surely come... and of course the strong will survive as always.

But the bottom line for me, if a domain's value doesn't appreciate, no big deal, I bought it to develop into a site and build value into the name/brand that way. I'd rather flip domains than flip burgers, but I'd rather flip companies then flip domains. (and imo, it's much more fun)

either way, good luck.

.

Taboo · 01-25-2006, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KRL

You don't necessarily need real sites to make money with domains.

so true.

GTS Mark · 01-25-2006, 01:16 AM

So will domains become like houses, you fix them up and flip them hehe??!! Will we have domain renovations shows coming in the future on TLC? ;)

DH

Drake · 01-25-2006, 01:26 AM

I have no clue, but I also don't have the money to buy single word domains, so I haven't given it much thought hehe

Drake · 01-25-2006, 01:27 AM

I do think it's a very different game than Real Estate and so that analogy can only go so far.

Doctor Dre · 01-25-2006, 01:34 AM

You need somebody to market the domain right for it to be worth anything. But good domains name will be worth a ton... because they are there in very limited ammount and the internet is very vast. I just don't see it dropping in prices anytime soon.

Doctor Dre · 01-25-2006, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KRL

Steak???

More like Filet Mignon and Lobster!

Out of all my online business friends, I'd say the wealthiest ones by far are the guys that have invested their money in building huge portfolios of mainstream and adult domains.

Domains are just like owning prime real estate, pure and simple.

OMG fuck you I'm so hungry now !!1 gimmie some of this .

I wanted to stop myself from eating anymore at 3:30 am but fuck it... I'ma cook a steak ! brb

KRL · 01-25-2006, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

OMG fuck you I'm so hungry now !!1 gimmie some of this .

I wanted to stop myself from eating anymore at 3:30 am but fuck it... I'ma cook a steak ! brb

BlueWire · 01-25-2006, 02:05 AM

I think its just something where you have to be careful and really know your shit.

Rick for example really knows his shit

Taboo · 01-25-2006, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDER

So will domains become like houses, you fix them up and flip them hehe??!! Will we have domain renovations shows coming in the future on TLC? ;)

DH

It already is like this. but they're called "road shows"

shuki · 01-25-2006, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I think so long as the PPC market is doing well, the domain market will follow as there is a correlation (not direct, albeit a correlation) between the two.
WG

My thoughts too

p2p chad · 01-25-2006, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Taboo

Yes I believe some domains will appreciate. But it depends what you're buying & why. I buy domains to develop, but if I have too much on the backburner or someone is interested in the domain, I'll consider any serious offer. I'm still buying and selling, but I'm not moving in the same direction as the PPC/Traffic part of the industry. I focus on brandable domains with or without traffic. Companies/Startups are still buying brandable domains from me and traffic hasn't been a factor/dealbreaker. Even though I have negotiated with some of the large PPC buyers who only care about traffic and are offering 3x-8x+ revenues, I've been able to sell a few domains this year for substantial cash up front (5 & 6 figure deals) + % of revenue (ad &/or sales) AND received equity stakes in the newly formed companies (10%-49%). FYI, I had to fight for these type of deals, the negotiations were drawn out, but it made sense to all parties involved in the end.

But right now there are probably new domain speculators buying countless domains who are mortgaging their houses and taking huge gambles on a market they haven't taken the proper time to study... so a crash will surely come... and of course the strong will survive as always.

But the bottom line for me, if a domain's value doesn't appreciate, no big deal, I bought it to develop into a site and build value into the name/brand that way. I'd rather flip domains than flip burgers, but I'd rather flip companies then flip domains. (and imo, it's much more fun)

either way, good luck.

.

That's very true...and for those of us who know the industry and market, will prosper in the end! Bring on the change! lol
Hey, with all your new ventures, in need of more traffic? Let me know!
Cheers!

shuki · 01-25-2006, 07:56 AM

One other point I always make to my friends in other businesses when they ask me why they should pony up big dollars for a premium domain instead of into advertising a lesser quality name is because of a ppc example.

Lets say you own lofts.com and a competitor owns myloftbuy.com etc or any other variation of a hard to remember name, you both have adwords campaigns running for the keyword "lofts" he visits both sites by clicking on our text ads. He likes both sites and the content they have but is at work and needs to show his wife a few properties that he thinks would be a good fit for them. He returns home from work and they sit in front of the computer trying to remember the urls of the two sites he visited. Well most likely he will remember my name lofts.com and then do another search on google to find the other site, click again and incur more ppc costs to that competitor.

Think about that case on high traffic domains and keywords. You are always going to remember the short category killer domain.

realed · 01-25-2006, 08:47 AM

I've spent the last 3 years building up a 1500 strong-domain portfolio and make good $$$ monthly just from PPC. The market is growing strong and prices are as high as i can remember. There will probably be a levelling-off effect at some point but if you look at sales over the past 24 months they are still climbing and climbing fast.

If you have no spare cash to invest in domains then don't. I see domains and PPC very much like buying property and renting it out. Your domain value always increases. Sometimes large increases and sometimes small. The rent keeps you going :-)

This is time for investment in domains. Not sure how long it will last. That's anybody's guess. If you have some good domain names and don't need to sell them on then you cannot lose.

Terry

01-24-2006, 08:42 PM	#1
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	Is The Domain Buying Game All "Sizzle" and No "Steak"? Not to take a shot at Rick Latona, I respect him greatly. But the big buzz right now in adult and mainstream is domain name buying and I for one think that we might be in a big bubble for this kind of business. I read this article a few weeks ago in Business 2.0 and thought "damn this market is going to fall out very quickly!" http://money.cnn.com/magazines/busin...4591/index.htm What are your guys thoughts on this matter? Are domains that are purchased now going to appreciate greatly and be worth a lot more later on or is it all just "sizzle" and no "steak"? Is this a big pump and dump? DH

01-24-2006, 08:47 PM	#2
MrIzzz If u touch it, I will cum Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: long island Posts: 22,923	"moose steaks" are THE next big thing...beleive me. no one listened to me when i said bison burgers would be huge and now look... buy moose meat stock and you will all be rich like canadians __________________ WHO WANTS TO PLAY GRAB-ASS?

01-24-2006, 08:49 PM	#5
Stallion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: FL Posts: 6,632	It goes through its cycles. It died off abit, and now its getting better. __________________ Project Manager/Program Manager/Webmaster Seeking Work [email protected] icq 856554

01-24-2006, 08:50 PM	#6
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	i think they're good investments if you can find good deals, just like most other things. __________________ I host with Vacares

01-24-2006, 08:52 PM	#7
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,487	I think so long as the PPC market is doing well, the domain market will follow as there is a correlation (not direct, albeit a correlation) between the two. WG __________________ I play with Google.

01-24-2006, 08:48 PM	#3
cyber_ninja Twerk That Ass Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lincoln, California Posts: 2,197	i think any adult domain that had 2 words or less will be worth money in the next few years,a lot of new webmasters are buying domains so we are getting short Supply and demand

01-24-2006, 08:54 PM	#8
Ice Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny California Posts: 26,053	Mmmmmmmmmmmmm Steak __________________ icq 1904905

01-24-2006, 08:56 PM	#9
triumph Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,433	It could be in a bubble, but you have to look at it in a way that it is still young and growing, and has alot of potential to grow bigger.

01-24-2006, 09:07 PM	#13
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Anything they are not making more of turns it into a product that is in demand. Domains are exactly like real estate except with higher margins that matures faster. The only thing that will make "the bubble" burst is if there becomes a new standard for finding websites. Ya never know, it could happen. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

01-24-2006, 09:10 PM	#14
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	The only thing that makes it seem a bit shaky is the typein traffic. They sell it to search engines but i doubt many people over the age of twelve type stuff in. The conversion rates are not what people claim. I own some really small type ins and over time it adds up but nothing like people think.

01-24-2006, 09:14 PM	#15
sacX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,998	it's not one market.. some domains are bought on pure speculation others return income as soon as you set them up. __________________ Have Asian Language Traffic?

01-24-2006, 09:15 PM	#16
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	I thought this in 1997, a few people are really laughing all the way to the bank these days. I would not throw out $5million, or even $1million these days, but god bless Rick and others. I am just very conservative with my funds. Hard to make millions, very easy to lose them. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

01-24-2006, 09:38 PM	#17
Theprincipal Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 80	Could someone explain to me how buying .com is a big risk? As long as .net or something like it become the new thing. People would always type in for .com __________________ Too rich for sig money

01-24-2006, 09:43 PM	#18
PimpDaddyPants Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,581	I see it lasting since some people register a name that later becomes a corporate name or slogan or product and they get quite a few pennies for it. thats my 2ct's

01-24-2006, 10:20 PM	#20
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	How many sites do you go to like men.com or miniblinds.com? So few names like that turn into real sites.

01-24-2006, 10:26 PM	#22
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Steak baby. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

01-24-2006, 10:33 PM	#23
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Steak??? More like Filet Mignon and Lobster! Out of all my online business friends, I'd say the wealthiest ones by far are the guys that have invested their money in building huge portfolios of mainstream and adult domains. Domains are just like owning prime real estate, pure and simple. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

01-25-2006, 01:16 AM	#28
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	So will domains become like houses, you fix them up and flip them hehe??!! Will we have domain renovations shows coming in the future on TLC? ;) DH

01-25-2006, 01:26 AM	#29
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	I have no clue, but I also don't have the money to buy single word domains, so I haven't given it much thought hehe

01-25-2006, 01:27 AM	#30
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	I do think it's a very different game than Real Estate and so that analogy can only go so far. Last edited by Drake; 01-25-2006 at 01:29 AM..

01-25-2006, 02:05 AM	#34
BlueWire Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,628	I think its just something where you have to be careful and really know your shit. Rick for example really knows his shit

01-25-2006, 07:56 AM	#38
shuki Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston Posts: 3,070	One other point I always make to my friends in other businesses when they ask me why they should pony up big dollars for a premium domain instead of into advertising a lesser quality name is because of a ppc example. Lets say you own lofts.com and a competitor owns myloftbuy.com etc or any other variation of a hard to remember name, you both have adwords campaigns running for the keyword "lofts" he visits both sites by clicking on our text ads. He likes both sites and the content they have but is at work and needs to show his wife a few properties that he thinks would be a good fit for them. He returns home from work and they sit in front of the computer trying to remember the urls of the two sites he visited. Well most likely he will remember my name lofts.com and then do another search on google to find the other site, click again and incur more ppc costs to that competitor. Think about that case on high traffic domains and keywords. You are always going to remember the short category killer domain. __________________ Looking to buy established paysites contact me [email protected]

01-25-2006, 08:47 AM	#39
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	I've spent the last 3 years building up a 1500 strong-domain portfolio and make good $$$ monthly just from PPC. The market is growing strong and prices are as high as i can remember. There will probably be a levelling-off effect at some point but if you look at sales over the past 24 months they are still climbing and climbing fast. If you have no spare cash to invest in domains then don't. I see domains and PPC very much like buying property and renting it out. Your domain value always increases. Sometimes large increases and sometimes small. The rent keeps you going :-) This is time for investment in domains. Not sure how long it will last. That's anybody's guess. If you have some good domain names and don't need to sell them on then you cannot lose. Terry