Donny

Bin Laden endorsed this book in that latest tape he released. As a result the book has reached #21 on Amazon.com's sales list. It's undeniable that Bin Laden has a lot of power in the world.

BTW: I read several pages of that book online and am considering purchasing it myself.

Lucky Strike

Amongst all the simple minded people, yes.

Hmmmm. You're considering buying a book which your enemy (who would love to see you and Belinda dead as infidels and pornographers, btw) has recommended to you. That would be a clever thing to do. It's a shame; I thought you had things going for you until now, unless this is just a momentary attack of stupidity on your part, in which case I apologise.

Donny

It's quite evident you didn't bother checking out the book. Take a few moments to do so. It's not written by Bin Laden or any of his extremists.

Lucky Strike

It's quite evident that you do not know what you are talking about, as I am familiar with this book and it's writer. This book was writen in 2000, which has given anyone interested to do so, five years to learn about it.

It's also quite evident that you entirely missed the point of my previous reply, but if you need it spelling out then you need it spelling out.

Bin Laden wants to kill you and your lovely lady Belinda, not only because you are non-Muslims, but also because you are pornographers. It wouldn't appear at all logical or reasonable for an innocent person such as yourself to take the advice of someone who wishes to murder you, and yet that is exactly what you are doing. Why do you think Bin Laden wants all the gullible Westerners to read this book? For their good or for his?

What kind of man are you if your desire to please your enemy trumps your desire to protect your partner.

Donny

It appears that you are at a lack of reasoning power. Who cares if Bin Laden wants to kill me. I really don't care. What, exactly, does that have to do with the book in discussion here? Please tell me that.

pr0

If you wanna read it, atleast steal it in ebook form

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Donny

If Bin Laden recommends eating vegetables I suppose I should stop doing that too, right Lucky Strike?

polish_aristocrat

To be honest, I don't even know what's this book is about...
But what's wrong with reading it and getting more familiar with another point of view on certain things? It's not like people will read something and suddenly change all their opinions and behaviors...

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JamesK2

I think you're the simple minded one here.

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Lucky Strike

You don't care if someone wants to kill you? Did inbreading suck all of the intelligence out of you or something?

Go and re-read my above posts. Your answer lies within. It's a really simple concept to understand. If, however, you are still unable to, then DO NOT HAVE ANY CHILDREN. There is a 50% chance they will get your brain genes and not Belinda's.

Donny

Lucky Strike, you'd make a good member of Bush's Administration. Cowboy up!

Lucky Strike

Since Bin Laden wants to harm you, it is hardly likely that he will advise you to stop eating vegetables. Could you not work that out for yourself?
It is more likely that he will advise you NOT to eat them, and you will be happy to oblige.

SuckOnThis

Yea right. It has nothing to do with the US occupying and influencing Middle Eastern countries and governments. He simply wants us dead because we all own SUV's.

You buy into the Michael Savage/Rush Limbaugh bullshit and yet call others simple minded.

Lucky Strike

Yes, thank you for that valuable input. Now, you may claim your free content set from Donny

Donny

At this rate you can create a new nick soon.

You're making a complete fool of yourself. Did anyone ever once say in this thread that we're ready to join Al Queda? Nope. Bin Laden pointed to a book written, not by a terrorist, but by a person who happens to think instead of drinking the cool aid. There is no harm in reading the opinions of others. That does not mean that one AGREES with what they read, but an educated mind is willing to listen to multiple viewpoints.

I bet you attending church all your life. That's probably where you learned to listen only to one point of view because all others are evil.

Lucky Strike

Yes that's right. I'm knowledgeable about Bin Laden's intentions therefore I MUST be a Bush supporter. Did you learn your logical reasoning and critical thinking skills from one of Michael Moore's cheeseburgers?

Donny

Oh my God, Lucky Strike is about to bust a vessel when he learns this... I found the following speech by Bin Laden to be fascinating:

Praise be to Allah who created the creation for his worship and commanded them to be just and permitted the wronged one to retaliate against the oppressor in kind. To proceed:

Peace be upon he who follows the guidance: People of America this talk of mine is for you and concerns the ideal way to prevent another Manhattan, and deals with the war and its causes and results.

Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar of human life and that free men do not forfeit their security, contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom.

If so, then let him explain to us why we don't strike for example - Sweden? And we know that freedom-haters don't possess defiant spirits like those of the 19 - may Allah have mercy on them.

No, we fight because we are free men who don't sleep under oppression. We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our nation. So shall we lay waste to yours.

No one except a dumb thief plays with the security of others and then makes himself believe he will be secure. Whereas thinking people, when disaster strikes, make it their priority to look for its causes, in order to prevent it happening again.

But I am amazed at you. Even though we are in the fourth year after the events of September 11th, Bush is still engaged in distortion, deception and hiding from you the real causes. And thus, the reasons are still there for a repeat of what occurred.

So I shall talk to you about the story behind those events and shall tell you truthfully about the moments in which the decision was taken, for you to consider.

I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.

The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorised and displaced.

I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy.

The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless except for his screams. Does the crocodile understand a conversation that doesn't include a weapon? And the whole world saw and heard but it didn't respond.

In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my soul, but in the end they produced an intense feeling of rejection of tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.

And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.

And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance.

This means the oppressing and embargoing to death of millions as Bush Sr did in Iraq in the greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has ever known, and it means the throwing of millions of pounds of bombs and explosives at millions of children - also in Iraq - as Bush Jr did, in order to remove an old agent and replace him with a new puppet to assist in the pilfering of Iraq's oil and other outrages.

So with these images and their like as their background, the events of September 11th came as a reply to those great wrongs, should a man be blamed for defending his sanctuary?

Is defending oneself and punishing the aggressor in kind, objectionable terrorism? If it is such, then it is unavoidable for us.

This is the message which I sought to communicate to you in word and deed, repeatedly, for years before September 11th.

And you can read this, if you wish, in my interview with Scott in Time Magazine in 1996, or with Peter Arnett on CNN in 1997, or my meeting with John Weiner in 1998.

You can observe it practically, if you wish, in Kenya and Tanzania and in Aden. And you can read it in my interview with Abdul Bari Atwan, as well as my interviews with Robert Fisk.

The latter is one of your compatriots and co-religionists and I consider him to be neutral. So are the pretenders of freedom at the White House and the channels controlled by them able to run an interview with him? So that he may relay to the American people what he has understood from us to be the reasons for our fight against you?

If you were to avoid these reasons, you will have taken the correct path that will lead America to the security that it was in before September 11th. This concerned the causes of the war.

As for it's results, they have been, by the grace of Allah, positive and enormous, and have, by all standards, exceeded all expectations. This is due to many factors, chief among them, that we have found it difficult to deal with the Bush administration in light of the resemblance it bears to the regimes in our countries, half of which are ruled by the military and the other half which are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents.

Our experience with them is lengthy, and both types are replete with those who are characterised by pride, arrogance, greed and misappropriation of wealth. This resemblance began after the visits of Bush Sr to the region.

At a time when some of our compatriots were dazzled by America and hoping that these visits would have an effect on our countries, all of a sudden he was affected by those monarchies and military regimes, and became envious of their remaining decades in their positions, to embezzle the public wealth of the nation without supervision or accounting.

So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they named it the Patriot Act, under the pretence of fighting terrorism. In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors, and didn't forget to import expertise in election fraud from the region's presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty.

All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two mujahidin to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their private companies.

This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as we, alongside the mujahidin, bled Russia for 10 years, until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat.

All Praise is due to Allah.

So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah.

That being said, those who say that al-Qaida has won against the administration in the White House or that the administration has lost in this war have not been precise, because when one scrutinises the results, one cannot say that al-Qaida is the sole factor in achieving those spectacular gains.

Rather, the policy of the White House that demands the opening of war fronts to keep busy their various corporations - whether they be working in the field of arms or oil or reconstruction - has helped al-Qaida to achieve these enormous results.

And so it has appeared to some analysts and diplomats that the White House and us are playing as one team towards the economic goals of the United States, even if the intentions differ.

And it was to these sorts of notions and their like that the British diplomat and others were referring in their lectures at the Royal Institute of International Affairs. [When they pointed out that] for example, al-Qaida spent $500,000 on the event, while America, in the incident and its aftermath, lost - according to the lowest estimate - more than $500 billion.

Meaning that every dollar of al-Qaida defeated a million dollars by the permission of Allah, besides the loss of a huge number of jobs.

As for the size of the economic deficit, it has reached record astronomical numbers estimated to total more than a trillion dollars.

-continued-

Donny

-here's the rest of it-

And even more dangerous and bitter for America is that the mujahidin recently forced Bush to resort to emergency funds to continue the fight in Afghanistan and Iraq, which is evidence of the success of the bleed-until-bankruptcy plan - with Allah's permission.

It is true that this shows that al-Qaida has gained, but on the other hand, it shows that the Bush administration has also gained, something of which anyone who looks at the size of the contracts acquired by the shady Bush administration-linked mega-corporations, like Halliburton and its kind, will be convinced. And it all shows that the real loser is ... you.

It is the American people and their economy. And for the record, we had agreed with the Commander-General Muhammad Ataa, Allah have mercy on him, that all the operations should be carried out within 20 minutes, before Bush and his administration notice.

It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face those great horrors alone, the time when they most needed him.

But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than occupying himself with the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers, we were given three times the period required to execute the operations - all praise is due to Allah.

And it's no secret to you that the thinkers and perceptive ones from among the Americans warned Bush before the war and told him: "All that you want for securing America and removing the weapons of mass destruction - assuming they exist - is available to you, and the nations of the world are with you in the inspections, and it is in the interest of America that it not be thrust into an unjustified war with an unknown outcome."

But the darkness of the black gold blurred his vision and insight, and he gave priority to private interests over the public interests of America.

So the war went ahead, the death toll rose, the American economy bled, and Bush became embroiled in the swamps of Iraq that threaten his future. He fits the saying "like the naughty she-goat who used her hoof to dig up a knife from under the earth".

So I say to you, over 15,000 of our people have been killed and tens of thousands injured, while more than a thousand of you have been killed and more than 10,000 injured. And Bush's hands are stained with the blood of all those killed from both sides, all for the sake of oil and keeping their private companies in business.

Be aware that it is the nation who punishes the weak man when he causes the killing of one of its citizens for money, while letting the powerful one get off, when he causes the killing of more than 1000 of its sons, also for money.

And the same goes for your allies in Palestine. They terrorise the women and children, and kill and capture the men as they lie sleeping with their families on the mattresses, that you may recall that for every action, there is a reaction.

Finally, it behoves you to reflect on the last wills and testaments of the thousands who left you on the 11th as they gestured in despair. They are important testaments, which should be studied and researched.

Among the most important of what I read in them was some prose in their gestures before the collapse, where they say: "How mistaken we were to have allowed the White House to implement its aggressive foreign policies against the weak without supervision."

It is as if they were telling you, the people of America: "Hold to account those who have caused us to be killed, and happy is he who learns from others' mistakes."

And among that which I read in their gestures is a verse of poetry. "Injustice chases its people, and how unhealthy the bed of tyranny."

As has been said: "An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure."

And know that: "It is better to return to the truth than persist in error." And that the wise man doesn't squander his security, wealth and children for the sake of the liar in the White House.

In conclusion, I tell you in truth, that your security is not in the hands of Kerry, nor Bush, nor al-Qaida. No.

Your security is in your own hands. And every state that doesn't play with our security has automatically guaranteed its own security.

And Allah is our Guardian and Helper, while you have no Guardian or Helper. All peace be upon he who follows the Guidance.

Donny

The book Bin Laden mentioned was not about anti-pornography. It was not about converting to Islam. It was about US interference in the affairs of others.

Of course, we can listen to the man himself tell us why he hates us. But of course he's lying, right? That's not really the reason he hates us. If we want to know the REAL reason he hates us we should listen to GWB, right? That's a much better option. Open our mouths like little birds waiting for momma bird to feed us the truth.

Personally, I want to know why BIN LADEN says he hates us. Not why DUBYA says Bin Laden hates us.

And OBL is telling us that this particular book tells us why he hates us. How fascinating!

Donny

Damn, Donny. That was good. Let's quote this for effect. Again and again.


Why thank you.

Lucky Strike

Bin Laden wants us dead because as a jihadist he must follow Islamic law and Islamic law states that people who 'wage war on Allah' (ie. infidels, pornographers, sellers of alcohol, etc) must be killed.

We don't get Michael Savage or Rush Limbaugh over here in Europe so there is no bullshit to buy into.

Lucky Strike

You have still failed to comprehend the point at hand. If your enemy wants you to do something, it would appear that the correct thing to do would not be to comply with him. Bin Laden is not concerned with your wellbeing; only with the wellbeing of the movement to create a Caliphate. The more gullible Westerners he can turn against America and it's friends, the better the chance for him to be able to form that Caliphate. And for those of little knowledge in these matters, the goal of the Caliphate is to fight all non-Muslim lands until the Caliphate covers the entire globe.

As for my attending church, I don't think you would find anyone as 'un-Christian' as I am. Another non-sensical assumption on your part.

On 'point of views': the truth of any situation is independent of personal opinion. Whether or not you will come to agree with that book will have no bearing on the fact that America is largely 'good' and Bin Laden & Co are largely 'evil'. Bin Laden simply wants to sway the minds of the relative simpletons. And you are ready and able to comply.

SuckOnThis

If thats true then why not attack The Netherlands or Canada, some of the most liberal societies in the world? Why does he direct his comments towards Bush who is also anti-porn? You people that put it all down to they hate us simply because our way of living or thinking are what has created this problem to begin with. Happy?

Lucky Strike

I love it when people with no knowledge of this particular aspect of world affairs like to chip in their

The reason that Bin Laden hates us does not necessarily have anything to do with what Bush says or even with what Bin Laden says.

In order to find out why Bin Laden really hates us, we need to study Islam. So go study Islam, or if that's going to be too time consuming then listen to someone who has put in the time and effort.

mikeyddddd

I saw bin Laden's ex-sister-in-law being interviewed for her book and thought this might be about that. This is more interesting.

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RayBonga

I wonder what it would take to have old Bin promote my porn blog on his next tape.

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Touché.

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Temp1

Just out of curiousity, where do you get your information from? And my second question; don't you think you've embarrassed yourself enough for one day?

Matt 26z

That is false. Islamic preachers have said that Allah does not condone the killing of anyone.

The idea that they want us dead because we have too many freedoms here in the US is a total lie perpetrated by those who don't want to face the truth.... That we treated those in the middle east so poorly for so long that they finally decided to get even.

tornell

Bin Laden no exist ...

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If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle. - Sun Tzu

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Theo

i bet Laden got his copy from amazon LOL

justsexxx

Funny how someone is advicing NOT to buy the book...Why not read yourself into it? I mean what is so wrong with that?

Also I am not a muslim AT ALL. But it can't hurt to know more about their culture,habits etc. How much I might dislike it.

It's called knowledge. And knowledge gives you power....

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Donny

Exactly. This idiot would rather bury his head in the sand then get to know his enemy.

Lucky Strike: you'll need "luck" with that point of view. If your enemy gives you a way to learn more about him, do so. Buying a book that OBL mentions does not mean we agree with him or his actions. It means we're learning more about how he believes and what makes him tick.

I dunno about you, but I'd love to learn why he plans to try to kill my children and grandchildren.

I guess if someone were to tell you, "I am going to kill your child. If you'd like to know why, read this." you'd just say, "Hell no. You're my enemy."

Idiocy. Pure Idiocy.