People - if you do not see a link between 9/11 and what now going in Israel - you are fucking uneducated morons.
Another couple of buildings need to collapse in Europe and USA - may be then you will understand the root of the problem.

About Palestinians who does not have heli and tanks.
Do you forget 3 war what Israel win?

Fuck of, in worst case scenario Israel will use Nukes and let Armageddon start.

do you suffer from mentail deficiency?

i vote we bomb whatever godforsaken kuntry u r from, cool?

Your fucking vote does not count moron - drink your beer - and I am from Canada, BTW

No Jews are/were NEVER hated. Hitler LOVED Jews didn't he? The Egyptions kept Jews as SLAVES, yes you make slaves of people you LIKE, right? The Romans just loved Jews too, right?Christians for HUNDREDS of years hated Jews because they blamed them for killing Jesus. Some still do hate Jews for this reason. Arabs, no they like Jews so much they just strap bombs on themselves and blow Jews up, clearly a sign of love. Were you born retarded or did you get dropped on your head as a small child?

Also, I AM NOT one of God's "chosen people", that's a claim that JEWS make and I am not a Jew. Besides I'd rather be free than be God's personal Pokemon.

GOD:"Hebrewmon, I choose you"

GatorB
I didnt say Jews are so loved...
I only asked why YOU think they are hated. You just seem like the man to ask...
After all - from reading your posts - it seems like you got a good insight to what people like Jitler, Arabs (Egyptians you moron. You cant spell right? ;) ) and transvestites (Roman people wearing dresses [togas]) think.

What do you say?

the jews are a bunch of nazis

israel is the motherland! zeig heil!

:2 cents:

no mic.. no people won't.. i still hear people saying they 9/11 happened because they were "jealous" of america's prosperity..

9/11 wouldn't have happened if the US had never set foot in the middle east.. i fully expect australia to get bombed because of the parts we've played in the gulf and afghanistan war... not saying we deserve it.. but we've fucked with a beehive.. can't expect the bees to go.. "ok.. kill us.. make sure the honey flows to western interests it's alright.. this is 9000km from your own country it's all cool.."

if it came to that tomorrow i think israel would be wiped out.. along with iraq and a few other surrounding countries.. yeah israel has nukes... iraq may, but it's got a fuckload of vx juice and a few tonnes of biological weapons pointed that way.

pretty much mutually assured destruction.....

I looked up your behavior in a dictionary and I found it under "ChickenShit" :1orglaugh
Are you one of the guys who try to hide in a fight saying "I hope they dont notice me... or atleast that they all hit me last when they are tierd. Who knows - maybe they will let me go unharmed?"

I have a question for you (bhutocracy) and others who tend to speak us so much here...
How many of you been to the middle east (for more than a month)?
How much do you know of the middleEast?
How much do you know of Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian-Arab conflict?
How much do you know of Arabs their culture and Muslim in general?

Buy how much you should deduct the time you wasted on article in the "Sydney times" ;) and the CNN/BBC/FOX/SKY and other entertainment channels. I mean REAL knowladge! Strategical analysis. History. Recent events and their context.

P.S.
spud_jones: GatorB suits you more.

Posted by MetaformX:
So, if it was your neighborhood that they blew up buses and schools and malls and churches on a daily basis because it was the only way to get their point across, this would be okie dokey with you? I don't know if you are American, or how many other people here condoning Arafat's actions are American, but it begs the question, Just how fucking short is your memory? How would you like to deal with 9/11 events on a daily basis? Bush is talkin a lot of shit right now about Israel, but how much patience would he have if bombs were going off in public on a daily basis in American cities? I cannot even imagine what it would be like to live in a place where innocent people are randomly slaughtered on a daily basis. I'm not entirely up to snuff on the history of what's happening in the middle east, but this crap is absolutely unacceptable, and I support Israel 100 per cent on there response.

real life hurts, deal with it

whats chickenshit about reality? nice how you resort to personal attacks.. personal attacks that can't even be ascribed to what i've written.. there are plenty of words in the dictionary for that
my behaviour? lol what have i personally done? lol.. now you're into fiction..
here i'll write it slower for you.. i f y o u h i t s o m e o n e y o u c a n e x p e c t t o b e h i t b a c k.
thats all i've said.. we've hit out at them.. i expect something here to be bombed..
they didn't do dick to us.

heheh it's laughable how silly you're own insecurities don't play out on other people.. i'm comfortable in my manhood, i don't have to beat my chest like a little loser... lol this is a little closer to your sad attempt to belittle me. : theres a street fight between two guys going at it.. one of thems about a fifth of the size of me.. but he's got knuckle dusters.. the other one's even smaller but he's got a rock.. enough to cause lots of damage, but not enough to kill the guy entirely.. in the background is a really big gang on the side of the knuckle duster guy.. asking whether he wants baseballs bats and giving moral support.. i shrug my shoulders and walk on home and let them fight their stupid turf wars. i could stand with the big gang and watch.... hell i often drink with the guys.... i could run in and give one of em a little kick.. but.. it's not any business of mine..
besides... even though the fight is about territory and not so much religion.. one keeps yelling "allah" and going "pop" and the other wails about yahweh and is pointing to a grimm's book of fairy tales about how the street belongs to them..

as it's no business of mine they can kill each other... you see, you're lambasting me for my lack of "experience" with the culture, and going on about how little i know of it so i shouldn't comment.. but then you want the other side too.. you want me to say "hell i don't know about it.. i've had no experience.. but fuck it.. i'll kick which ever one im told to".. lol.. and if i don't im a coward.. bwahahah..


i have the right to choose whether certain fights are moral, or a good use of resources... not just bray with the mob.. when we went into timor to guard the country against the world's largest muslim nation, an enemy 20 times our size (a government the US wouldn't do anything about because it was making money selling arms to them) i was all for it. timor is right next to us.. they helped us out in WW2.. the australian government let indonesia invade (because we got a share of the oil) in the 60's and we let them down.. that was a battle worth fighting for.
the US is a superpower.. it can look out for it's own interests 10 times over. but as per usual.. australia being the little bitch that it is gets dragged into conflicts that have nothing to do with us. our leaders are subservient spineless little fucks.
jeez im glad we got dragged into killing vietnamese.. woohoo.. stopping that red menace.. that was a real priority for us.. we spend billions of dollars helping people fight their wars and we get import tariffs in return... i guess thats the price of being a US puppet..

i've read quite a bit about arab culture and the conflict.. at least for someone who doesn't have to.. there are many things i abhore about arab culture and their part in the conflict.. i don't have to be there to know that.. i also loathe many jewish customs.. many chrisitan ones too..i've already said i've got no interest in going to some half-assed corner of the planet who's only significance are 3 religions i despise, and the source of something that the rest of the world has been shaking their heads at for decades. like living there helped my palestinian cab driver understand the situtation clearly the other night lol..

i have read the history.. in as far as i have gone out of my way to find it so i knew what was going on.. but not as a scholar..i don't have to .. only for my personal curiosity... but i also know the jews have been murderous bastards as well as the palestinians.. i have no allegiance to either other than a jewish great-grandfather... as i have stated.. im only arguing as a counterpoint to the blood-baying here.. i understand both points of view.. i've said it before on these forums.. i would kill very militant jew and every militant palestinian if i could and leave the poor souls caught in the middle of it to try and make their way out. but it doesn't work like that..

but you also have to read current events and the "sydney morning herald" which the premier high class broadsheet here is a highly regarded and fine source of information. you're certainly not going to listen to jewish or palestinisn propaganda to find out.. and yes we get both flavours here.. in all the mainstream articles.. but thats no better than walking up to a jew or a palestinian in israel and asking him whats going on.. as if they're less biased lol...

On defense of Israel, people don't realize what is going on from the Israeli's point of view:

let me paint a clear picture..

israel is no 3rd world country, israel's lifestyle is very close to America's - Israel teenagers are just like european and american teenagers, the families live normal lives. Israel is about the size of New Hampshire - except populated 10X as much - now what would you do if there were 2 suicide bombings a day in New Hampshire - the effect is huge on the people..

it is FACT that Arafat finances some of these terrorist groups -
ISRAELIS WANT PEACE - first it was yitzhak rabin, then it was mubarak, and now its swung on the other side to sharon when everything else has failed.
The violence has escalated - do you sit there and let it go, or do you take military action..

-To rebut your argument about how palestine doesn't have a homeland, have you ever heard of the holocaust? israel was formed to prevent the holocaust, its is a safehaven for jews, and protects the greatest Religious Monuments of MANY RELIGIONS, not just jewish.

Israel has given money to help palestinians - they have used it to purchase weapons, israel has built homes for palestinians, they have destroyed them in defiance.

mubarak offered them probably the most generous deal they could've gotten, a separate palestinian state, andthey refused

and now arafat finances terrorist groups where young palestinian females, and even children blow themselves up for the cause

Please just justify my last argument..

I understand how the palestinians feel, but they are extremely determined to take control of all, something i feel is out of their grasp, they are unwilling to compromise, it is a very bad situation,,but lets not just go bashing israel - examine both sides first...

perhaps i chose the wrong word..
"getting their point acrtoss" was not the right words...

i should have said that the only way for palestine to get their land back from the thief that is israel, is by using suicide bombers. im not condonning it, as i said, just stating that they have no other choice but to take the rout of violence. diplomacy hasent worked for 40+ years.....

but its pretty simple, really
you don't wanna go to jail? don't steal people's stuff
you don't wanan get blown up by a suicide bomber? don't steal peoples land, and don't run their children over with big noisy tanks

simple stuff

no-ones outright bashing israel.. (well im not anyway) as you said "examine both sides first" you'll see i've replied against the initial pro-israel sentiments to balance it out. it might seem like im being anti israel.. thats just because im arguing with single-minded pro-israel people.. have to keep on going on about how the IDF's done some horrible stuff too and you have to understand where they're coming from.. they're not just animals.

You're a dolt.

What ? the dude's at least missing 1 arm - he cant go to prison !

oh, im sorry
i guess you would rather i say something more along the lines of "GO ISRAEL, KILL THEM FUCKING PALESTENIANS"

your an asshole...fuck a jew

no, don't fuck a jew...cause they might take your land, destroy your home, starve your familly, and snipe your little kid

war is the will of the most advanced species on earth.

damn that was a good party.

I don't play around.....but still I don't fuck aournd.....quit laughing,,,,,you read this...

what was your drug of choice tonight?

thats going too far. most of the jews want peace as much as anyone.. they don't think of it as stolen land..

yeah, it prolly is going too far, but what do you expect from a guy who has attention deficit disorder( i havent been diagnosed with it, but one of the people living in my head told me i had it)

MetaformX, all your posts looking like you do have some knowledge, but you really don't.
You are describing Israel like it's strategy is to kill all the palestines, and you are wrong about that.

Also, you should read some history books first, and then judge which land is belong to each side.

damn.. i was gonna ask you for some ritalin.. :(

I wanna snort some ritalin....

have you done that??? i sooo have! :) dexies too... ahhh those were the days.... last time though my lungs itched all night.... not cool :)

heheheh i so think i had add.... still do.. nothing like low level amphetamines to keep you concentrated on the task at hand.. my best mate got diagnosed with it.. good times.. :)

To all.

You DO need to know more to comment. Not because you have no right to until then - but because you fail to judge think according to YOUR moral.
You dont like innoccent civilians dead? you are right at that.
Thats why you should comdemn Arafat and the palestinian terrorists for leading terror against innocent civilians.
About IDF - you think it as just as bad? Show me a picture of a soldier bombing a crowd of innocent palestinians of shooting indistinctively into that crowd! explain why there are so few people dead in the refugee camps while you say IDF has such great weapons. Explain why israel had to go into the camps with troops and not just drop bombs from the air. Pleas try to explain that - with reason and brain - not just smartass remarks.

Diplomacy didn't work? Who do you blame for that? Tell me IF you dont blame it all on Arafat tell me why. take into account that you all say palestinians are so desperate for a land (that some of you say they are willing to kill themselves) and take into account that a complete country was offered to them with a capital in jerusalem.

MetaformX - do not fuck with Israel or you WILL be put down by a sniper. Why do you think you shouldn't?

Israelis and Jews wants peace and are willing to correct all wrongs (and more) that was done and resolve the situation peacfully. Thats why Israel elects people like Rabin and Barak, Thats why Israel offers land to palestinians, Thats why Israel offers money, work and help to palestinians. Israel is a democracy.
Israel is a place with a VERY HIGH moral standard which values human lifes. Thats why Israel have the majority of people disliking the killing of innocent palestinians, Thats why Israel has large groups in the parlament wanting the operation to end. Thats why Israel is so angry when terror rages in the streets and innocent Israelis get murdered.
Israel is determined to protect their citizens and never again get slaughtered like in the Holocaust. Thats why Israel went to this operation, thats why Israel will execute MetaformX is he messed with them ;) (joking), thats why Israel has elected Sharon.
When Arafat has chosen terror and started killing Israelis, the Israelis - after realizing they lived in lie all those years and realizing that Arafat was actually trying to get a better position to kill more of them - elected sharon which was the answer to the Terror-road the palestinians chose. and Sharon is too easy on the other side in my opinion - because of international pressure (but he is waking up too).

Want peace? - Replace Arafat stop terror and take a country that will be offered.
Dont want it? - live peacfuly as refugees,
Dont want it? - Want to terrorise us? - expect to be killed. Israel can not exept the other side stupidity as a reason for them being killed.
To the innocent palastenians who want peace and quiet... : Take down (kill Arafat) and replace him with a peace loving leader. not one like Arafat - who betrayed you (as even Bush admitted). OR run for a cover where there are no terrorists in your homes.

DONT YOU AGREE? bhutocracy?

MetaformX? Joe Blow? - you? any smart ass remarks? or do you agree with what I said?

oh man oh man... I hate this hate propaganda too... I didn't bother reading the whole post. As far as I know both sides don't want to stop. One attacks, the other attacks back and same story back again. It just never ends and going on for decades now. Geeez... Fucking stop posting this hate shit. I am not for palestinians nor for israeli... Both kill innocent people! STOP! Period!

-- McSpike --

Israel is the fourth reich!

Seig Heil!

Seig Heil!

Let wounding be a warning: Downer
April 2 2002

The wounding by Israeli troops of an Australian taking part in a peace demonstration was a graphic warning to keep clear of war zones, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said today.

The woman, who identified herself to Channel Nine as Kate Edwards, 26, from Brisbane, was hit by shrapnel when Israeli troops fired on a West Bank protest in the township of Beit Jala.

Named by another news outlet as Kate Irving, the woman said she was one of six foreigners from the peace group Solidarity International hit when they approached an Israeli armoured personnel carrier while taking part in the demonstration.

Mr Downer refused to say if he would lodge an official complaint with Israel over the use of live ammunition on peaceful demonstrators.

"I wouldn't condone it, but unfortunately this woman has been injured, I don't think directly with a bullet, but as a result of shrapnel wounds. She's been treated and I hope that she'll get well soon," he told ABC radio.



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"I do think when peace demonstrations go into war zones they take enormous risks, and the situation is perfectly clear that first of all in and around Ramallah, that is very clearly a war zone."

Mr Downer said his department had issued clear consular advice to Australians warning them against travel to the West Bank.

"The situation here is that people should not be mounting protests in war zones," he said. "There are enormous risks involved in doing that.

"In this particular case I am concerned that an Australian has been injured and obviously the Israeli authorities are aware of that and aware of our concerns."

He said the protesters were lucky not to have been killed.

AAP


heheh right.. nice and condescending.. im sure these guys thaat have had brothers and mother and fathers killed (yes just like similar jews) will jump at that "we'll allow you to have what we want you to have offer"

hey look.. it all sounds ok.. but you're expecting the palestinaians to act like automatons against natural reactions.. live as refugees in a country they outnumbered jews almost ten to one in at the start of the century..yeah your conditions sound good to a jew.. but telling innocent palestinians to take down arafat? jeez.. you guys kill so many of them he's a hero..(the same way that so many suicide bombings have made sharon so powerful as a leader.. the same way 9/11 made bush so revered) innocent civilian or otherwise.. it's the same with anyone. in times of war leaders are given greater credibility..


lol it doesn't matter what bush "admitted" he's so far behind israel it's ridiculous!..

i agree all those hypotheticals sound good.. but they're not going to work in reality..

except this one : Dont want it? - Want to terrorise us? - expect to be killed. :)

Great post...


I think Palestinian got tons of opportunities as from Rabin and also from Barak and even from Sharon in last 4 years... Israel even agreed to give east part of Jerusalem 3 years ago..
Arafat is just terrorist in his blood for over 40 years.
Look in last year history..
Sharon as a fighter tried to find whole year any solution and havent used the army till last 2 weeks.. Enought its enought..
Suicides every single day .. I mean people afraid to go out even to work..
Now after 2 weeks of army pressure and caughting about 2000 terrorists I belive he will give ANOTHER and this time will be last chance to Arafat for peace.

I BET suicides will keep coming.Muslims are making troubles in every place on the earth.They like to fight and they are getting alot of money for every terror action.Its business for them...

Look what russians did in Chechnya.They just fucking bombed and killed every single asshole with a gun in the hand.. Now really quite there an no one making troubles.

Not everyone wants peace

I say take U.S. support off Israel, stop giving them $3 billion gifts, take their gifted arms, ammunitions etc. back then sit back and watch. Let's see how long they survive against the rest of the world.

Would that be Muslim? Usually muslim? Unusually what Jew? Christian? Buddhist? Hindu? Anyways, since you claim to know a lot I'll ask you this q what EXaCtly was that Palestinians were offered by Israel two years ago? (Official summary not in you own words please) Just wondering..

Are you kidding ?

Ok.. 6 years ago Rabin signed up for Oslo contract wich gave them lands.. weapons for palestinyan police.. money .. work in Israel.. alot of palestinian had the opportunity to start studies in Israel Universities .. In other words they got everything besides the Jerusalem .. now they choosed to fight for Jerusalem... so they keep sends suicides.. Meanwhile Rabin were killed by jew fanat that thought that IL govrment gives them too much..

But most Israel citizens choosed for peace and Barak was elected
for a new hope.. and guess what .. He offered east part of Jerusalem... never no one offered to Palestine such offer from IL side ..
Now they thought they are smart and can play with Israel goverment as they want.. so they said We want all Jerusalem now.. fuck it .. Jews never will give whole Jerusalem, as its part of their History .. and they knows that ..

and what sort of terrorist killed rabin?

and the answer was posted as i posted.... yes most israelis want peace.. just like most palestinians want peace..

Sharon, GO FUCK YOURSELF

Are you kidding? I'd think Christians would have more rights on Jerusalem (Can I sing a Christmas carol now?). Maybe Christians now should just go in and occupy that land :winkwink: So basically Palestinians were offered everything but their birth rights?

They also been offered by the previous prime minister Barak to recieve the east Jeruslam part. He offered Arafat 97% of what he wanted, and Arafat said NO

So all the people who thinks that Jerusalem is the reason for the mess is wrong, the problem is a terrorist called Yasser Arafat ! :feels-hot

And his motive for terrorism is.. ???

its nothing comparing with the things done in Palestine.. i heard that 500 or more person killed in camps in 2 days by israel fuckin soldiers.. they were just kids and women!!.. that Jevish stupids killnig children everyday!..
Palestina have no army, no tanks, no guns.. they only can give their bodies with bombs..
i start understand that Palestina is right...

First I have no idea why jews have been so hated throut history. I'm not 5000 years old, so I wasn't there when it all started. There is PROOF that these people did not get along with Jews. As soon I build a time machine I'll go back and ask, OK.

Second, the ancient Egyptians WERE NOT Arabs. Todays Egyptians have very little in common with those Egyptians of 2000-5000 years ago. In the days of the Pharoah they did not worship Allah and they weren't Muslims.

Israel = thief
:BangBang: Israel

Palestine = People who want their land back!

To topal: where did you read about 500 woman and children kill by Israel Army?
If you tacking about Sabra and Shatila in Lebanon campaign - the Christian Lebanon militia kill them -and not woman and children - they kill mans who hide in refuge camp. I am not support this, but this is inside Lebanon stuff.
Read some history books moron before open your mouse in public. Better wait for another terract near your house if 9/11 did not teach you a lesson. Like one guy here sad: it was just preview, pay-per-view strait ahead

nup he's talking about the current incursions. the israelis estimate 100-200 the palestinians estimate 500-600

if you had to guess you'd say 300.. you can't take one extreme.

i don't think anyone should open a mouse in public... ever..

you sound almost like you're gloating "Better wait for another terract near your house if 9/11 did not teach you a lesson"..

like he NEEDS to be taught a lesson.. so i suppose you would be comfortable with him saying "better wait for another suicide bombing if the one on friday didn't teach you a lesson"??

Yes , mouse is my mistake (16 h. work for today),
500 woman and children - bullshit,
Only If Palestinian bomber kill them when he blow up the house with 13 Israel IDF.
Man, I WAS in Israel, I worked with Palestinians and Israeli, I WAS in other Arab states I know about it - you do not.
:321GFY

i didn't read the "mostly kids and women" bit by topal.. yeah.. sure there would have been some kids and women in there.. but it would have been mostly men... the news has said the pallies are claiming 500-600 dead.. not 500-600 women and children..

also you working there hasn't seemed to prevent you from including pathetic digs at their expense "only if they killed 500 themselves when trying to blow up 13 IDF" which is why people can't take you seriously.. if you weren't so rabidly anti palestinian more people would listen.. and not just go "anything he says i have to take with a grain of salt as he's so rabidily biased"