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Old 01-19-2006, 01:09 PM   #1
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Children are the largest consumers of internet porn

This was brought up yet once again by Blanche Lincoln (D-Arkansas) at the start of the hearings.

The claim is that children aged 12-17 are the largest consumers of internet porn.

Doesn't that mean our traffic logs should show drastic decreases in traffic during school hours? There should also be decreases during the hours school kids are asleep. That means there should be a HUGE spike from mid-afternoon until late evening. There isn't one adult webmaster whose logs look like that.

The sites I have that are almost all American traffic actually show that the biggest block of traffic comes DURING SCHOOL HOURS.

This 12-17 figure must have come from a survey. Kids are more likely to admit to things than adults. Especially since porn is very taboo for adults to admit to viewing.
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I am so sick of these fuckin' idiots. Always spinning shit to make us look evil. WTF!! Get over it, god damn it's just sex.
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Think of how much money we could be making if those kids only had credit cards!

In all seriousness, that woman must have been hit right in the mouth with the stupid stick on her way into the hearing.
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Old 01-19-2006, 01:13 PM   #4
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This 12-17 figure must have come from a survey.
I'm pretty sure that figure came from:



or at least someone's ass
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Old 01-19-2006, 01:13 PM   #5
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I sure hope someone representing adult brings up American traffic logs to debunk the claim. Once you bring that up, there is no argument anymore. It is something that can not be refuted.
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I don't see what's so wrong with kids jerking off? Do they prefer kids have sex and knock up their 15 year old girlfriend?
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This actually is pretty sad. In todays world, a 10 y/o can go online and get basically slammed with porn.

And no, it's not their parents problem. no matter how hard they try, it's nearly impossible to screen the kids from Internet porn - it's just everywhere.
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From her web site

http://lincoln.senate.gov/press_show.cfm?id=241537


?Many internet service providers have taken significant steps to provide parents with tools to protect their children from inappropriate material online and they should be commended. But sadly, many adult oriented websites in today?s online world are not only failing to keep products unsuitable for children from view, but are also pushing those products in children?s faces. And it?s time that we stand up and say, enough is enough.?


Give me a fuckin break. She needs to be recalled. Any webmasters in Ark.??
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You can thank people like KMR who spam places like MySpace which is full of nothing but children.
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like thats a good thing? little does mr politician know we make money from sales, if no sales no money. even for prepaid slots, no sales no future money.

maybe parents should take a bit more responsibility
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This was brought up yet once again by Blanche Lincoln (D-Arkansas) at the start of the hearings.

The claim is that children aged 12-17 are the largest consumers of internet porn.

Doesn't that mean our traffic logs should show drastic decreases in traffic during school hours? There should also be decreases during the hours school kids are asleep. That means there should be a HUGE spike from mid-afternoon until late evening. There isn't one adult webmaster whose logs look like that.

The sites I have that are almost all American traffic actually show that the biggest block of traffic comes DURING SCHOOL HOURS.

This 12-17 figure must have come from a survey. Kids are more likely to admit to things than adults. Especially since porn is very taboo for adults to admit to viewing.
Sounds like a statistic from the same people who said, "On average, men think about sex every three seconds." and while that may be pertain to most of the people on this forum, it certainly does not pertain to your average male.

Furthermore, by "consumers of internet porn" I can only assume that they are referring to free porn? Because how many 12 year olds do you know with access to a visa or mastercard without their parent's knowledge?
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All that tells me is there are a whole pile of fucked up parents of 12-17 year olds who need to pull their heads out of their asses.

Maybe if these parents were home with their kids, keeping an eye on what they're surfing for, this might not be an issue. There's always a parent home at my house, 24/7...and our family computer is in the kitchen - my kids don't have computers in their bedrooms. If they're surfing somewhere I don't approve of, I know it.
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and only now they found out? heheheh
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not to mention most ppl under 16sh over the years got porn not from sites, but ftp's, etc. maybe that gets lumped in with web sites, who knows
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well it would explain 85% of GFY posters
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And how do you propose to do that?

Modern kids know computers 10x better than their parents who are working 8-5 jobs to make ends meet.

And porn is all over the net. You can find adult links on almost any site.
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This actually is pretty sad. In todays world, a 10 y/o can go online and get basically slammed with porn.

And no, it's not their parents problem. no matter how hard they try, it's nearly impossible to screen the kids from Internet porn - it's just everywhere.
how hard is it for parents to keep kids off the internet? just unplug the damn pc when they're not being supervised or set up a password. it's not a god given right and necessity for small children to access the internet.

I think it's fair to say that a good number of the people on this very board grew up without the internet, yet we are all (well some of us anyway) technically savvy enough to be making a living from it, so it's not something that kids NEED to have in order to remain proficient and up to date with modern technology.
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This bitch is crazy

"Force Pornographers to Pay the Costs of Child Protection The Internet Safety and Child Protection Trust Fund will not be deficit-financed or financed from taxes paid by the average, working American. Rather, the Trust Fund will be financed by a 25% excise tax on Internet pornography transactions."
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parents don't have control over their kids surfing porn on the internet but they can help by setting passwords on their computer.
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All that tells me is there are a whole pile of fucked up parents of 12-17 year olds who need to pull their heads out of their asses.

Maybe if these parents were home with their kids, keeping an eye on what they're surfing for, this might not be an issue. There's always a parent home at my house, 24/7...and our family computer is in the kitchen - my kids don't have computers in their bedrooms. If they're surfing somewhere I don't approve of, I know it.
Amen, I've come across this in the past. Parents who find their children surfing inappropriate material on the internet are always ready to point fingers at those they would deem "responsible". Did anybody ever stop to wonder what precautions they were taking to prevent their children from accessing such materials? Not to mention the fact that if they find internet pornography so morally offensive, isn't it their duty as parents to instill the same values that they hold dear in to their children?
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parents can't babysit 24/7. what irks me is nowadays you do a regular search on google and porn can come up with tame keywords being searched. just one click and the kids are exposed to porn, endless pop-ups and spyware.
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"Force Pornographers to Pay the Costs of Child Protection The Internet Safety and Child Protection Trust Fund will not be deficit-financed or financed from taxes paid by the average, working American. Rather, the Trust Fund will be financed by a 25% excise tax on Internet pornography transactions."
See that's all it is about, it's not about children, it's about the government getting a chunk of porno profits.
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And how do you propose to do that?

Modern kids know computers 10x better than their parents who are working 8-5 jobs to make ends meet.

And porn is all over the net. You can find adult links on almost any site.
I propose they do what I do when my kids are on the net, supervise them!

It doesn't take any computer skills to take a peek over their shoulder every few minutes and look at what they are doing or where they are surfing.
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I propose they do what I do when my kids are on the net, supervise them!

It doesn't take any computer skills to take a peek over their shoulder every few minutes and look at what they are doing or where they are surfing.
You can't superwise the kids 24/7. Most kids have their own personal computers in their own rooms. Internet should be a safe, friendly and foremost education place. Not a Harlem alley after midnight.
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This is in the Porn Standard report linked off her web site at:

http://www.third-way.com/news/THE_PORN_STANDARD.pdf

"Parents are not the only ones who have their hands full coping with the
challenges posed by the rise of a vast and largely unregulated online world that mixes quick profits and sex without limits. Law enforcement is struggling to cope with this new world and to combat a rising wave of related criminal activity. Tragically, the exploitation of children by internet pornographers in search of quick profits extends beyond just the sale of their product to minors. Thousands of children today are abducted and abused in the process of producing online pornography. Indeed, because of its relatively lawless nature, the Internet has become highly attractive to a wide array of criminals who seek to prey on children, whether they are pedophiles soliciting children for sex or pornographers seeking to exploit children for commercial gain."


I think I'm gonna blow a gasket.
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So, I'm guessing the first porn traffic spike between 11am and 2pm are from kids on their lunchbreak?
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You can't supervise the kids 24/7. Most kids have their own personal computers in their own rooms. Internet should be a safe, friendly and foremost education place. Not a Harlem alley after midnight.
I won't debate your in ability or inability to parent, but what do you propose as a solution or you just here to whine like a little bitch that there's a problem? What's the solution or insite do you offer?

For someone that supposedly makes the living peddling porn, you seem quite down on the whole industry, or maybe your just on your Wendy's break?
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I propose they do what I do when my kids are on the net, supervise them!

It doesn't take any computer skills to take a peek over their shoulder every few minutes and look at what they are doing or where they are surfing.
exactly
plus parents need to EDUCATE their children

my biggest concern isn't internet porn, it's Internet chatrooms...that's why there is a keylogger on my kids' computer too. I've also taken the time to educate my kids on what to do if they run across an inappropriate site (hey, it can happen when I'm surfing with them and typo a domain). I can lock up my computer, password every aspect, etc. but it still doesn't mean their friends who have computers will have their computers protected as such, so I have to educate my children. I let them know the danger of strangers. It's not rocket science, but it's not exactly easy to raise a child either, but it is my JOB to do it to the best of my ability.
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"whether they are pedophiles soliciting children for sex or pornographers seeking to exploit children for commercial gain"

You can't deny that both of these exist, hell they are both on GFY alone, but it's still wrong to classify the entire industry as people who prey on children for profit. Fucked up shit but nothing new, nothing we havn't heard before...
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You can't superwise the kids 24/7. Most kids have their own personal computers in their own rooms. Internet should be a safe, friendly and foremost education place. Not a Harlem alley after midnight.
giving a child unregulated access to a pc, ie in their own rooms, is the same as giving them a loaded gun. not only will they have unrestricted access to the internet but also the pedophiles who use myspace and other online gathering areas to target your children. if you cant monitor your childrens computer use, dont let them use the fucking computer.
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You can't superwise the kids 24/7. Most kids have their own personal computers in their own rooms. Internet should be a safe, friendly and foremost education place. Not a Harlem alley after midnight.
then dont have a pc in the kids room. there's no surefire way to stop kids from accessing porn, but you can make it tough. kids dont get porn from google, etc anyways. i can search the net all day long and i dont see porn unless i want to.

heck, most 12-17 year olds prolly have a better sex life than their parents...
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exactly
plus parents need to EDUCATE their children

my biggest concern isn't internet porn, it's Internet chatrooms...that's why there is a keylogger on my kids' computer too. I've also taken the time to educate my kids on what to do if they run across an inappropriate site (hey, it can happen when I'm surfing with them and typo a domain). I can lock up my computer, password every aspect, etc. but it still doesn't mean their friends who have computers will have their computers protected as such, so I have to educate my children. I let them know the danger of strangers. It's not rocket science, but it's not exactly easy to raise a child either, but it is my JOB to do it to the best of my ability.
amen, when i say responsibility this is it. take notes
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This is in the Porn Standard report linked off her web site at:

http://www.third-way.com/news/THE_PORN_STANDARD.pdf

"Parents are not the only ones who have their hands full coping with the
challenges posed by the rise of a vast and largely unregulated online world that mixes quick profits and sex without limits. Law enforcement is struggling to cope with this new world and to combat a rising wave of related criminal activity. Tragically, the exploitation of children by internet pornographers in search of quick profits extends beyond just the sale of their product to minors. Thousands of children today are abducted and abused in the process of producing online pornography. Indeed, because of its relatively lawless nature, the Internet has become highly attractive to a wide array of criminals who seek to prey on children, whether they are pedophiles soliciting children for sex or pornographers seeking to exploit children for commercial gain."


I think I'm gonna blow a gasket.
politicians are trying to lump porn producers as child abusers. the next war propoganda wont be on the next iraq, etc. it may very well be us.
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giving a child unregulated access to a pc, ie in their own rooms, is the same as giving them a loaded gun. not only will they have unrestricted access to the internet but also the pedophiles who use myspace and other online gathering areas to target your children. if you cant monitor your childrens computer use, dont let them use the fucking computer.
What about 13-14 year olds? You propose to constantly superwise them too, like newborns?

Computers and Internet has integrted into modern society, and it somehow should be regulated - and not by the means of abstinence/supervision.

Yes, i make my living from porn, but i'm fucking petrified by the stuff that you can possibly find online. If I was a parent, i'd be freaking out about the idea of my kids going online.
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then dont have a pc in the kids room.
Those would be Draconian rules. Modern world kids and computers are inseparable. Games, music, education etc. etc.


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i can search the net all day long and i dont see porn unless i want to.
Thats funny, cause I can not. I try to search google for some legit info and always get some porn listings or ads.
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What about 13-14 year olds? You propose to constantly superwise them too, like newborns?

Computers and Internet has integrted into modern society, and it somehow should be regulated - and not by the means of abstinence/supervision.

Yes, i make my living from porn, but i'm fucking petrified by the stuff that you can possibly find online. If I was a parent, i'd be freaking out about the idea of my kids going online.
like regulations will stop kids from getting access to porn? anyone who thinks that isn't in touch with reality...
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Those would be Draconian rules. Modern world kids and computers are inseparable. Games, music, education etc. etc.

they cant play games in the living room? they can't do their homework in the living room? they can't listen to music on their ipod?

i know plenty of parents who won't put a pc in their kids room and it seems to work fine.
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Instead of messing with the producers of porn, how about they pressure the search engines like Google to NOT accept ads from pornographers? Since porn IS legal for adults to view, the crackdown should not be on the adult websites, but on the search engines that bring them up!

Maybe they should only show the porn results after the search engine does an Age Verification check?
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Instead of messing with the producers of porn, how about they pressure the search engines like Google to NOT accept ads from pornographers? Since porn IS legal for adults to view, the crackdown should not be on the adult websites, but on the search engines that bring them up!

Maybe they should only show the porn results after the search engine does an Age Verification check?
fuck that. how about they presure microsoft into implementing filters into their operating systems
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what's sad is what if a high school kid is doing a report on teen pregnancy, teen sex statistics, etc etc, they'll be bombarded with porn. they open their email, more porn. they go chat with grandma and more porn. even if they check their teachers' blog, i bet there's porn links in the blog post comments. i wont even get into auto-installing spyware.
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Old 01-19-2006, 02:55 PM   #42
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Ya know, some parents are clueless for sure. My g/f and I were over at our friends house to watch the hockey game the other night. She has the home computer in her master bedroom. Her 14 year old daughter went in there and closed the door. No problem right? Well, our friend was going to show me what she got my g/f friend for her birthday, so we went into her room. Her daughter was sitting there with the webcam on with her straps pulled down on her tank top on.

I told her to put the computer in the living room and take the plug to work with her, so she know when and what her kids are doing on the computer. Oh yeah, I also gave her a copy of the PC Key Recorder to put on her computer. I think every parent should have that.
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Old 01-19-2006, 02:55 PM   #43
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You can thank people like KMR who spam places like MySpace which is full of nothing but children.

lol you have to be over 18 to signup to myspace..

Should playboy.com not be able to exist because "the internet is full of children" ?

CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE ON THE INTERNET PERIOD.. they should be on closed networks..
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Old 01-19-2006, 02:55 PM   #44
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You people all missing the real issue

THE INTERNET IS FOR PORN!!!
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Old 01-19-2006, 02:58 PM   #45
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lol you have to be over 18 to signup to myspace..

Should playboy.com not be able to exist because "the internet is full of children" ?

CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE ON THE INTERNET PERIOD.. they should be on closed networks..
That's not like you to talk out of your ass... from the myspace terms:

"Eligibility. Membership in the Service is void where prohibited. By using the Website and the Service, you represent and warrant that all registration information you submit is truthful and accurate and that you agree to maintain the accuracy of such information. You further represent and warrant that you are 14 years of age or older and that your use of the MySpace.com shall not violate any applicable law or regulation."
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Old 01-19-2006, 03:00 PM   #46
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like regulations will stop kids from getting access to porn? anyone who thinks that isn't in touch with reality...

in india they have the craziest porn positions you have ever seen carved right into their temples and shit.. kids of any age can look at them..
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The funny thing... the idiot politicians are winning the battle. Why? Because pornographers are bigger idiots! If i was a parent watching those hearings, I would be shitting my pants wondering how many times my own child was abducted from his bedroom while sleeping and forced to suck cock by evil pornographers. What are you guys doing about it?????? Nada. What can you do about it? NOTHING - The average person is not going to stand up and fight for porn in the US. They certainly won't now that "porn" is finally becoming synonymous with CP in the eyes of politicians and the average Joe. They win. You lose. Thanks for playing "demise of internet porn in the USA - please take a number and be seated... for your convienence, you're arrest will happen as soon as possible"

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That's not like you to talk out of your ass... from the myspace terms:

"Eligibility. Membership in the Service is void where prohibited. By using the Website and the Service, you represent and warrant that all registration information you submit is truthful and accurate and that you agree to maintain the accuracy of such information. You further represent and warrant that you are 14 years of age or older and that your use of the MySpace.com shall not violate any applicable law or regulation."

hmm i thought itwas 18 last time i checked.. i guess im wrong

Either way , children should not be allowed to be on the internet thus removing the problem..
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bullllllshit, how many kids do you know 12-17 have credicards or check cards and are able to even get to a porn site at school in which has so many god damn child protection blocks that you can't even get to a telletubby website even if you tryed to.

all that traffic you're recieving during those hours is most likely coming from adults at work searching porn from they're office or adults who don't work. after reading something about how people who do office work only do 2 hours of actual work in an 8 hour shift thats highly possible.

the only way kids get to look at porn is when mommy and daddy isn't looking just like we all did as 12-17 year olds. they just have a bit more of a variety these days with that time. lol half those kids see more porn at that age in a sex ed class they get during 8th grade then they do on our websites.

whoever wrote that shit has they're head so far up they're ass its unreal.
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For those who say supervise, and check over their kids shoulders every few seconds..that's all fine and dandy, but it does not keep kids from being exposed.

I have 2 nieces, the computer they use is set up in the living room and the monitor is visibile from just about any place within the area except for the dining room.

Anyway, it doesn't take but one search on google to go wrong and they are exposed..that's it.

Happened to my oldest niece when she was 14 she went looking for backstreet boys pictures, she was inundated with links to gay sites.

But even the links were set up to be innocuous, just waiting to trap someone in their pop up hell.

This was of course 5 years ago, things seem much better, but you can still come across hardcore porn when doing image searches for movie stars.
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