Filipino designers = the best in the world?

[Mr. Marks]

Who else can provide quality galleries from $1 to $10 a pop? Besides the price, the skill level is pretty damn good. Plus, many aim to please. Can anyone think of a reason NOT to use free-lance filipino graphics designers/submitters? Is there NOTHING these guys can't do?

I'm talking about freelancers not outsource company-based guys.

I like my Samar (sp?) guy's work so much I'm thinking of petitioning him and his family to the US. Of course, I'd have to pay him more but even if I pay him standard US pay for the quality of his work and amount of time he puts in($75K a year), it would be microscopic compared to the amount of money this guy's design and php work creates for me and my friends. Besides the $ (which is not an issue), can anyone here think of any problems resulting from me petitioning this guy to the US?

[Mr. Marks]

No feedback on this? I notice a lot of Filipino designers posting on GFY now. And I don't mean Proadultoutsourcing....

[fetishblog]

Coming from the Philipines, he/they're gonna have to pass some scrutiny, thanks to all the wackos running around in the jungle out there. But good luck all the same.

[Mr. Marks]

Originally Posted by fetishblog

Coming from the Philipines, he/they're gonna have to pass some scrutiny, thanks to all the wackos running around in the jungle out there. But good luck all the same.

Jungle? Wackos? Explain.

[Mr. Marks]

I guess that jungle crack was supposed to be racist. All I know is from what I've seen of Flip work ethic, they really put all their heart into what they do--from the crew at McDonalds (Houston, L.A. and Daly City. From what Ive seen) to nurses to offshore designers/IT workers.

[Mr. Marks]

I just hope if my petition succeeds, my Flip employee doesn't become lazy all of a sudden.

[Jerms]

how did you go at finding your worker? elance?

[spacedog]

What I can't understand is, how did all these Philipino people all of a sudden learn IT, design, etc in a 3rd world country with no technological advances.

[Mr. Marks]

Originally Posted by Jerms

how did you go at finding your worker? elance?

http://www.philweavers.net/ They list portfolios, contact info, and you can negotiate with them directly. Most are mainstream so you'd have to train a little bit to get them to the porn side but once they're in, these guys are well worth the time. Plus, you don't have to go through an outsource company. You have to be very careful though, I have hired about 3 filipinos directly before my current guy but fired them all ASAP cuz they couldn't deliver on time. Don't put up with laziness, bullshit, and excuses and you'll find a guy that will provide top notch quality ontime all the time.

Most of the time, Filipinos will give you respect if you're professional and don't fuck around (ie., fire at the earliest sign of bullshit). The ones who stick with you will be priceless.

I suggest you start them off low ($300 is a good place to start then ramp it up) then pay them more as they hit skills/quality milestones

[Mr. Marks]

Originally Posted by spacedog

What I can't understand is, how did all these Philipino people all of a sudden learn IT, design, etc in a 3rd world country with no technological advances.

Fuck if I know. All I know is they do the shit I need done for low prices. Finding good ones will take some effort. I've run across a couple that tried to assrape me But that shit happens anywhere Russia, Romania, Bangladesh, etc. I just fire motherfuckers at the earliest sign of laziness or bad attitude.

It's like anything... most good people will respond to rewards. The ones that don't, tell em to fuck off and find better ones.

The guy I'm thinking of petitioning is fucking solid gold. He didn't hit me up for that 13th month mandatory bonus shit they have in philippines. I sent him 3 months' worth of salary as a bonus when I read about it here on GFY. Some guy posted about the 13th month thing here and was bitching. I confirmed it with my guy so I went ahead and gave him a fat bonus.

Good help is hard to find so reward them well. Of course, you gotta test them first. If they are flaky, lazy, or incompetent, fire ASAP and find someone deserving.

[tenderobject]

Originally Posted by spacedog

What I can't understand is, how did all these Philipino people all of a sudden learn IT, design, etc in a 3rd world country with no technological advances.

man we're also a human.
but im sure someone could explain that to you hear briefly.

[Ace_luffy]

tenderobject , s20design , mr2creation and others are all Filipino great designer

[Mr. Marks]

Originally Posted by Ace_luffy

tenderobject , s20design , mr2creation and others are all Filipino great designer

I don't know who those people are but if they are as good as the guy I found through Philweavers.net then they get a big from me as well.

[Ace_luffy]

Originally Posted by spacedog

What I can't understand is, how did all these Philipino people all of a sudden learn IT, design, etc in a 3rd world country with no technological advances.

did you know that in microsoft , they have Filipino Programmer/s ?

[Zuzana Designs]

They are humans and can build some of the best stuff on the web by FAR !!! good people Great designs !!

[Ace_luffy]

Originally Posted by papichulo

I don't know who those people are but if they are as good as the guy I found through Philweavers.net then they get a big from me as well.

http://www.tenderdesign.com/portfolio
http://mr2creationz.com/
http://s2odesigns.com

try them.... or maybe my sigs too

[dunefield]

Originally Posted by spacedog

What I can't understand is, how did all these Philipino people all of a sudden learn IT, design, etc in a 3rd world country with no technological advances.

bahaha you're kidding me right? i'm half filipino and i've been there numerous times... the country is considering as 3rd world but when you go there you think to yourself how so?

no technological advances? you're kidding me right? you make it sound like they live life like an african tribe...

[tenderobject]

Originally Posted by papichulo

I don't know who those people are but if they are as good as the guy I found through Philweavers.net then they get a big from me as well.

yeah philweavers.. i haven't updated my profile there for a long time.

[Mr. Marks]

Originally Posted by spacedog

What I can't understand is, how did all these Philipino people all of a sudden learn IT, design, etc in a 3rd world country with no technological advances.

This shouldn't be your concern. Technology is technology and people who can read english can learn that shit. I don't care whether they are in Timbuktu, ulaan bataar, atanarivo, Manila, panama city, or dhaka. Cheap it labor is everywhere.

What you should be concerned about is when these guys start turning into webmasters (ie., actually competing with you for traffic and conversions). Since I own my own programs (both public and private ones) I have no problems with that. Many of these guys will ultimately wake up and realize that the real big money is not in working for someone else but working for yourself. Of course, its not easy working for yourself (those of you who started with jack shit in your pocket know this) so many will remain employees and make money for others. That's okay with me... I pay well anyway.

The guy I outsource all my design/php/traffic shit to makes over $4K USD a month (not including bonuses). That may be shit wages in the US (Hell, I lived in both SF and Manhattan and 4K won't last long there). I started him at less than 300 bucks a month and he's proven himself many times over.

I do need my worker in the US though because its a bitch communicating over differing time zones

[tenderobject]

Originally Posted by Ace_luffy

http://www.tenderdesign.com/portfolio
http://mr2creationz.com/
http://s2odesigns.com

try them.... or maybe my sigs too

hey man don't forget ace_luffy works. kmrdesignstudios, i-webcreation etc etc.

[tenderobject]

Originally Posted by dunefield

bahaha you're kidding me right? i'm half filipino and i've been there numerous times... the country is considering as 3rd world but when you go there you think to yourself how so?

no technological advances? you're kidding me right? you make it sound like they live life like an african tribe...

[Mr. Marks]

Originally Posted by Ace_luffy

http://www.tenderdesign.com/portfolio
http://mr2creationz.com/
http://s2odesigns.com

try them.... or maybe my sigs too

Thanks but I'll pass. I already have my own dedicated outsourced guy. I had to go through a few flaky bastards to get to him though lol.

by the way, does anyone know where samar (sp?) is? Is it close to manila? I might have to visit my designer regarding his immigration paperwork.

[pocketkangaroo]

http://mr2creationz.com/ is a great designer. Very easy to work with and goes above and beyond to make sure you like the design.

[tenderobject]

Originally Posted by papichulo

Thanks but I'll pass. I already have my own dedicated outsourced guy. I had to go through a few flaky bastards to get to him though lol.

by the way, does anyone know where samar (sp?) is? Is it close to manila? I might have to visit my designer regarding his immigration paperwork.

samar is in eastern visayas. manila is in luzon. you found gold then

[Mr. Marks]

Originally Posted by tenderobject

samar is in eastern visayas. manila is in luzon. you found gold then

Thanks for the info. I hope there's a flight from Manila to Samar because I'd hate to have to take a boat. LOL Yeah, the guy is gold. He makes me a ton of money. The only outsourced guy I've dealt with that actually knows how to create and convert traffic. His traffic scripts work and his designs convert at a steady rate. The reason I pay him $4K a month (I might have to up it to $5K or even more) is I don't want him to get the idea that he can actually make 100K+ a month working for himself if he owned his own program

[tenderobject]

Originally Posted by papichulo

Thanks for the info. I hope there's a flight from Manila to Samar because I'd hate to have to take a boat. LOL Yeah, the guy is gold. He makes me a ton of money. The only outsourced guy I've dealt with that actually knows how to create and convert traffic. His traffic scripts work and his designs convert at a steady rate. The reason I pay him $4K a month (I might have to up it to $5K or even more) is I don't want him to get the idea that he can actually make 100K+ a month working for himself if he owned his own program

hahaha nice. by the way not sure if its in eastern visayas but samar is really in visayas region.


check out http://www.tourism.gov.ph/explore_ph...on&province=43

i bet they have their airport. damn 4k a month is uhmm yeah!

[theS2O]

Originally Posted by papichulo

Thanks for the info. I hope there's a flight from Manila to Samar because I'd hate to have to take a boat. LOL Yeah, the guy is gold. He makes me a ton of money. The only outsourced guy I've dealt with that actually knows how to create and convert traffic. His traffic scripts work and his designs convert at a steady rate. The reason I pay him $4K a month (I might have to up it to $5K or even more) is I don't want him to get the idea that he can actually make 100K+ a month working for himself if he owned his own program

sounds like you got yourself a good and obviously a pretty skilled man. good for you. and that guy deserves all that he's getting now for his hardwork and dedication.

-mv

[Mr. Marks]

Originally Posted by theS2O

sounds like you got yourself a good and obviously a pretty good man. good for you. and that guy deserves all that he's getting now for his hardwork and dedication.

-mv

You got that right. I started him off at $200. He didn't complain but just produced quality shit on time. I kept upping that shit because I actually like to give back to people who prove their value to me. I doubled his $2K to $4k when he came up with a traffic script tweak that pumped his galleries' per click production sky high. The guy also comes up with a shitload of new suggestions on how to keep increasing conversion. Solid english skills and not once has he tried to fuck me or steal ideas or try to work for my competition (ie., double timing--working for 2 clients full time LOL). This guy is SOLID GOLD that's why I'm busting my attorney's ass trying to get him and his wife and kids to the USA.

[theS2O]

Originally Posted by papichulo

You got that right. I started him off at $200. He didn't complain but just produced quality shit on time. I kept upping that shit because I actually like to give back to people who prove their value to me. I doubled his $2K to $4k when he came up with a traffic script tweak that pumped his galleries' per click production sky high. The guy also comes up with a shitload of new suggestions on how to keep increasing conversion. Solid english skills and not once has he tried to fuck me or steal ideas or try to work for my competition (ie., double timing--working for 2 clients full time LOL). This guy is SOLID GOLD that's why I'm busting my attorney's ass trying to get him and his wife and kids to the USA.

good move! and a for you too for giving him what he deserves to have.

[Jerms]

[QUOTE=papichulo]http://www.philweavers.net/ They list portfolios, contact info, and you can negotiate with them directly.


Awesome man thanks for that info!

[High Quality]

I had a filipino guys do some design work. Among the best - but I paid him $10/banner and I think $20/gallery. Great stuff none-the-less.

[leggs]

Well the only experience we had with a Filipino designer was he would create a graphic and then ask to borrow $50. It also didn't help that he had NO access to highspeed and expected us to email him photos of less than a few KB.

I'm mean I'm not a Hindu pornographer. My stuff is produced with something other than a cell phone camera.

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by spacedog

What I can't understand is, how did all these Philipino people all of a sudden learn IT, design, etc in a 3rd world country with no technological advances.

that's what 3rd World countries are about, 70% live like shit and don't have enough money to even buy a PC, 5% live like kings and have more money they can ever spend, and the rest 25% are the ones that'll do all your designs 24/7 for 1000 bucks a month ;)

[Rhesus]

Hi, filipinos usually migrate to the US because of the money they could earn there, not because it's a fun place to be. I'm sure your employee would appreciate a substantial pay raise much more than a relocation :-)

[JoeMeca]

icq me the contact number for this guy :P

[DamageX]

One out of four you tried was gold and you praise them ALL to high heavens?

[hyperdrive]

Originally Posted by spacedog

What I can't understand is, how did all these Philipino people all of a sudden learn IT, design, etc in a 3rd world country with no technological advances.

haha! funny.. it's not like we slide from tree to tree half naked and live in caves.. lol.. no technological advances? cmon, we even have 3G phones here.. hehehe.. we do have the skills and the technology here.. we're only categorized as a 3rd world country becoz of those monkeys running this country..

[hyperdrive]

Originally Posted by papichulo

Thanks but I'll pass. I already have my own dedicated outsourced guy. I had to go through a few flaky bastards to get to him though lol.

by the way, does anyone know where samar (sp?) is? Is it close to manila? I might have to visit my designer regarding his immigration paperwork.

hi.. i came from Samar.. and yeah, we have flights from Manila to Samar (try finding a direct flight from your place to Cebu, coz Cebu is much closer to Samar).. just ask him if he's from Northern or Eastern part.. lol..

it's pretty cool to hear something like this.. more power to you and that kick ass filipino programmer

[JamesK2]

Uhhh yeah we're Filipino!

[MiZbeHaviNg]

im not much of a forum poster.. id like to keep my opinions to myself and im very much happy just reading about other people's thoughts.. But seeing this thread i know i just have to express how proud i am of all of my filipino co-designers.. Modesty aside, i think we filipinos draw our artistic nature from our colorful culture and our ingenuity is brought about by how our race has withstood all the trials and tribulations throughout history. I am very much happy that filipino creativity has not gone unnoticed to the rest of those also in this industry. FILIPINO PRIDE!

[IamShaider]

proud to be pinoy

[kahell]

Originally Posted by spacedog

What I can't understand is, how did all these Philipino people all of a sudden learn IT, design, etc in a 3rd world country with no technological advances.

thanks to pinoy notepad program we can do everything

[xerex]

Originally Posted by IamShaider

proud to be pinoy

i second that!

[Bluewire Ross]

Originally Posted by spacedog

What I can't understand is, how did all these Philipino people all of a sudden learn IT, design, etc in a 3rd world country with no technological advances.

unfounded statement.you should have done your research before posting a reply.

[mightyjoe]

third world! third world! here are the third world countries!

[mightyjoe]

3rd WORLD COUNTRIES:

East Asia and Pacific

American Samoa
Malaysia
Philippines
Cambodia
Marshall Islands
Samoa
China
Micronesia, Fed. Sts
Solomon Islands
Fiji
Mongolia
Thailand
Indonesia
Myanmar
Timor-Leste
Kiribati
Northern Mariana Islands
Tonga
Korea, Dem. Rep.
Palau
Vanuatu
Lao PDR
Papua New Guinea
Vietnam

Europe and Central Asia

Albania
Hungary
Serbia and Montenegro
Armenia
Kazakhstan
Slovak Republic
Azerbaijan
Kyrgyz Republic
Tajikistan
Belarus
Latvia
Turkey
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Lithuania
Turkmenistan
Bulgaria
Macedonia
Ukraine
Croatia
Moldova
Uzbekistan
Czech Republic
Poland
Estonia
Romania
Georgia
Russian Federation

ALL Latin America and the Caribbean

Middle East and North Africa

Algeria
Jordan
Syrian Arab Republic
Djibouti
Lebanon
Tunisia
Egypt, Arab Rep.
Libya
West Bank and Gaza
Iran, Islamic Rep.
Morocco
Yemen, Rep.
Iraq
Oman
Saudi Arabia

South Asia

Afghanistan
India
Pakistan
Bangladesh
Maldives
Sri Lanka
Bhutan

Sub-Saharan Africa

Low-income economies

Afghanistan
Haiti
Pakistan
Bangladesh
India
Papua New Guinea
Benin
Kenya
Rwanda
Bhutan
Korea, Dem Rep.
Sao Tome and Principe
Burkina Faso
Kyrgyz Republic
Senegal
Burundi
Lao PDR
Sierra Leone
Cambodia
Lesotho
Solomon Islands
Cameroon
Liberia
Somalia
Central African Republic
Madagascar
Sudan
Chad
Malawi
Tajikistan
Comoros
Mali
Tanzania
Congo, Dem. Rep.
Mauritania
Timor-Leste
Congo, Rep.
Moldova
Togo
Cote d'Ivoire
Mongolia
Uganda
Eritrea
Mozambique
Uzbekistan
Ethiopia
Myanmar
Vietnam
Gambia, The
Nepal Yemen, Rep.
Ghana
Nicaragua
Zambia
Guinea
Niger
Zimbabwe
Guinea-Bissau
Nigeria

[BlackCrayon]

most, not all may make great galleries but when it comes to the text a lot of time it barely makes sense.

[webcrawler]

Originally Posted by spacedog

What I can't understand is, how did all these Philipino people all of a sudden learn IT, design, etc in a 3rd world country with no technological advances.

Filipinos are skilled and competitive workers inspite of being lagged in terms of technology.

[Mikey]

you found someone and that is great, but it took you a long time and several other people first before you found him. it is not like you just picked someone up off the street and he had skillz.

sooner or later you will find someone. i got nothing against filipinos. i am filipino and i am going there later this week, but whether they be filipino, dutch, ukrainian, you are bound to find some that are good hard workers but also a bunch that are great only in their mind and will bullshit you to get money from you with little work.

maybe things have changed in the last year, but i have dealt with many filipino designers who have told me they can design a tgp. ok so design one for me. and they send me a freaking tgp gallery!

i even had one go so far as to ask me "what site do you like the look of?" so i tell him and he emails me back a design that is basically a copy of the site with a different color scheme. even the freakin copyright information was copied!

you found someone to work with, that is great. pay him well, treat him well.

[Dugmor]

Originally Posted by spacedog

What I can't understand is, how did all these Philipino people all of a sudden learn IT, design, etc in a 3rd world country with no technological advances.

......becuase all the most updated software is sold in the mall for around $1 !