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Tehran faces backlash over conference to question Holocaust
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story...687134,00.html
Guardian Unlimited - 2 hours ago Iran announced yesterday it would stage a conference to question the authenticity of the Holocaust, a move certain to stir international anger. The statement follows a series of inflammatory remarks by Iran's ... ![]() ![]() ![]()
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I say leave Iran alone. They are the #4 exporter of oil in the world, and if we fuck with them, the price for a barrel of oil will go up and over the $100 mark. It's already sitting at $64/barrel, and goddammit, I'm tired of paying $2.20/gal for gas.
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If it is a critical conference and not a hater conference, it might be interesting.
A debate on the subject is long overdue. If the "holocaust myth buster" groups are proven wrong, such a conference might even end the debate on the subject once and for all. The real question is who will be allowed to participate? Will all major scholars in the field be represented and will there be any government censorship?
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I can't believe people are still trying to disprove the massacre of million people which was the most horrifying moment in history
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The US gets zero oil from Iran and hasn't for 25 years !
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But.. at least Iran offered to send 20 mill barrels of crude after Katrina hit. And.. they never forgot that the US helped them with their earthquake problem in 2003.
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People always say the holocaust was an "unbelivable" even in history, so I suppose they do have a right to explore its unbelivability...
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Why is it such a big deal if they want to question the numbers, and investigate it a little ?
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That is not a thing that needs forgotten and may be a reminder to other generations of what is possible when a leadership becomes sick and out of control. In many ways, Iran may be doing the world a service by raising the issue.
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us should nuke iran.
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I hear they have invited ALL JEWS to come to Iran to make their point , funny thing is, they only offered one way tickets? |
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We only have to look at the threats of legal action against Jean Marie Le Pen currently for his statement that 'the Nazi occupation of France was not particularly brutal'. As a result of these comments, like when he said the Holocaust was only a 'detail of history' (for which he was legally charged and convicted for) they have threatened to take him to court again. In my opinion the Iranian state is hardline and biased, but I think perhaps their investigation into the issue could atleast set some example for the West in allowing greater freedom of discussion and debate on all topics, not just politically correct ones. Two more examples of free speech being denied on this issue are David Irving and Ernst Zundel. I am not sure exactly how many years in jail David Irving faces, but I think it was around 10 years+ in jail. Read this article on them to learn more: http://www.pressaction.com/news/webl...rving01062006/ . I can only ask, is this the kind of freedom Europe supports? The freedom to agree with only with what is mainstream and popular? In my opinion the notion of 'Free Speech' exists to protect those WITH unpopular and yes offensive opinions (and that includes opinions that I personally find offensive to me). So Europe jails people for years who question it, and Iran holds debates on the matter, who is taking the more extreme approach here? |
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like you are free to say what you want in the USA
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ahh Australian sorry for the insult then ;) but this being free thing doesnt sound right to me , obviously you are not from here, so all your knowledge on this is just hear say , I read this in this or that paper this or that paper said this and so on and on , over here we indeed have very strict laws wich forbid you to deny that the holocaust happened , this law imho has nothing to do with free speech , just like it wont be tolerated that you as an australian would write books, make tv documentaries or whatever, on how you think all aboriginals are the fillth of the earth or something , |
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The fucked up thing is that whenever the Holocaust is being questioned the whole world suddenly gets on its feet, but when Turkey denies and constantly questions the Armenian Genocide, nobody gives a shit. What Armenian lives are less important than Jewish?
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Take for example the Vlaams Blok political party in Belgium (the largest single party in the nation), it was recently made illegal (of course they are back under a new name, but they were still deemed illegal). Take for example the current prosecution of Nick Griffin leader of the British National Party in Europe, he now faces 7 years (yes YEARS that is more than a pedophile) in jail for his opinions (none of which included the statement that other people were inferior). Take for example this little website I came across the other day when surfing the web searching for some German Folk Music http://www.ingeb.org/ . The site which features 20,000 songs recently landed someone in Germany a 2,500 Euro fine. No it wasn't the owner of the site that got the fine, it was a German resident who linked to the site that received the fine, because it was deemed that one of the folk songs on the website broke German law, and thus he was guilty of breaking German law for linking to the website. Did the song shout how 'inferior the scum races of this earth are'? Nope, not at all, here are the reasons for indictment (read here to learn more http://www.ingeb.org/garb/SA2002.html) "- Morally endanger German youth - Social-ethically disorient youth before they have been properly indoctrinated to form their own opinion. - Have no politically correct disclaimers - Give an impression of happy life in WWII - Honour as heroes, soldiers who achieved fame and glory by their achievements. So yes I believe the United States has more freedom of speech, unquestionably, and I believe the gap is widening as anti-terrorist, anti-sedition, and other such laws are being implemented in other Western nations that don't have the safeguard provided by visionary hero's that the US has. |
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funny , I a ctually AM from Belgium, and Vlaams Belang as they are called now are in fact big here and are in fact racist I dont get what this has to do with free speech ? does the KKK have its own political party in the US , ? ? would they want that YES ! would it be allowed ? ? NO Quote:
I must dissagree with this , your view on the US and Europe is an OUTSIDE view, I think its safe to say most Americans who have visited Europe tend to agree with me ![]() |
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