Non Nude Teens

It's non nude girls.....some are as young as 13-14 years old and taking suggestive poses in bikini....
I personnally don't find this niche is ok on a moral point of view but, it is legal and seem to be a growing new market.

It's questionably legal. It's a grey area like child "art".

Ask Jim from Denver Photo.....


Oh Wait...You can't because he's in jail over non-nude teens and didn't quite make the million dollars to bail himself out...

So go for it, but when you go to jail for being a pedofile...Have fun with Bubba!!

Thanks for the correction of my statement

From what I am reading online regarding the recent arrest of Jim Grady for trueteenbabes.com they are investigating every site he was conntected with.

Since the officers can ONLY act in their local jurisdiction the FBI has now become involved in a HUGE investigation regarding all links and affiliates to his sites.

I signed up as an affiliate for trueteenbabes.com a loong time ago, but upon getting inside and seeing the promo stuff never pushed it.

Here's a link to my thread on this...
http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...threadid=56226

you can read whats already been said on this.

Ohhh before you get into Non Nude teens, heres the news clip or video of the pron studio raid and his arrest, and testimonial from a girl who was tricked into photographs...

Most of the girls who do these Non Nude shoots dont know whats going on.

heres the original thread from Tanker of Lightspeed.....

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...threadid=56200

i saw that clip.
but if he paid them $50 to $150 an hour depending on what they do.
it was probably nudity

i was wondering about what the whole situation is. i wouldn't do a site like that if it was child erotica.

but if it was legal age teens that complied with the law. i wouldnt see a problem.

13 to 17 yr olds no way

here here!!

im sure snow will be stoked to find you posting shit like this with his button in you sig!

You can debate what he did all you want.

"Probably" doesnt fit into this equation. Fact is after this arrest they are looking into every link they found on his hard drive.

You guys should think about what WILL happen not what HAS happened.

This is JUSt happening, so Non Nude may be legal today, but NOT tomorrow. Who knows. Do what you feel is right.

personally I dont feel its right to have 13 year old girls lay on their back in a motel and snap shots of them in bikinis and panties.

But its my opinion...

dude i am just asking a question.

i dont get off on young girls.

if it was legal teens that complied with the law. sure no problem

if it's 13 year old girls, then it's a problem

understand that.

read what i am saying before opening your mouth

non nude teens(18+) that look young would work great on tgp's if the fuckers would list the stuff.

Bro I was not arguing. Just dropping some coins on the info

that is what i was asking about non nude teens(18+)

thanks iguana for helping me with the wording

yeah i know fletch. i wasnt referring to your comments

thanx for the coins. i know it's a touchy situation.

in my opinion - this sub 18 - non nude niche is a dangerous game legally

yes - it will make money - tons of it - i have seen examples of guys in Japan doing this that are making over $250K a month doing video tapes of this

but should we do it? I would say no.... it will only hurt our industry - biz - and make our financial lives less stable in the end

Is it possible to buy 'non-nude teens' content? Are there any galleries or TGPs with that content?

Some of the sites state that they are promoting their 'models' and are set up as supposed modeling sites, but the FBI is questioning the validaty of this when some of their affiliates are adult sites.
Hard to say how the NN deal will be in the future, but I'd say it's best just to stay away from all of it...

It's just more ammunition for federal prosecutors against the adult industry... don't fuck with it. Who would look at this shit, other than 13 year olds and pediphiles (sp?)?

Just saw an interview with one of the models on the trueteenbabes.com site from down here in south Florida. Shit is all over the news down here.

This is taken from our local news....

She says she was paid $450 for the shoot and refussed to wear the outfits that were picked for her and chose more conservative ones. Her mother was with her during the shoot. Jim kept emphisizing during the shoot that members would be voting on her pics and the top 6 girls would win a trip to Cancun, trying to get her to do more sexual posing. She was 15 at the time. He kept in touch with her after the shoot and offered to fly her to Denver for a shoot in the studio. When she asked if her mom could come she was told "It's a no parent weekend".

I hope they lock the fucker up for a very long time!

BTW: The report also stated that he had 3000 members at $20 a month. No that wouldn't pay for the million dollar bail that was set for him. He was charged with Child Exploitation I beleive, not Child Porn.

not a good way to make a living

kids are kids and should not be viewed as an adult pleasure toy

You should see the girls on the highschool volleyball team I coach.

There is a long tradition of HS cheerleaders girlies in suggestive outfits, doing the splits, etc. If the world is so against sexualizing underage people, what is THAT all about? Do I smell hypocricy?

I see you joking about this more than once, id be careful about this if I were you.

You could get yoursefl mixed up in some serious shit when it comes to your hobby and your career.

I agree! Look for the grand opening of FATPad's Sexy 12 Year Olds soon. I already bought advertising space on The Hun, JJJ's, Thumbzilla, and Worldsex. This is gonna be big.

I wouldn't even fuck with that niche, 99% of the content is claimed to be "Public DOmain", and we all know public domain is like bigfoot, no one is sure if it really exists. Get yourself some nice 18+ models or content, best bet.

i wouldn't do anything under 18.
i just wanted to know what non nude teens is

thats all i wanted
nothing more than an explanation

is it 18+ or not a simple question that went astray

Its any age you can call teen, 10 11 12, those are all pre-teen but you can still call them teen, 13 to 19, all of that is all teen.
So basicly is 11 or 12 till 19. But most of those sites prey on 15 to 18.
Hope that answers your question.

digital pimp

yes it does answers my question
thanks

mr anderson read the thread before commenting
it was a question in regards to what the subject matter actually is defined as. it had nothing to do with operating any type of website exploiting minors.

the question has been answered by digitalpimp
now this thread can die

Here's another...

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...threadid=56226

I want to add, the way I came across all the links mentioned in thread that the link above points to, was I stumbled upon them through a toplist, and when I saw a banner flashing the words "Gabby 13 years old" it blew my fucking mind.

Not to mention the front page of the site links to a Yahoo group with links to 6-12 year old girls with PAYSITES!

You ever seen a 6 year old girl with a paysite?

How about a parent who sells videos of the same 6 year old playing in a pool outback her home online?

I will not post the linsk for obvious reasons, but from what I a told, its perfectly legal...

THis shit is way out of control, I made a fuss about it earlier this week and was only shot down.

He just shoot some girls in bikins and parents were present. What is so fucking wrong with that, I cannot understand. Maybe I should go live under the rock, as gemini suggested in some other thread.

under aged non nude (glamour) pics and web sites are 100% illegal. it is not a grey area AT ALL! the way the law looks upon it (rightfully so) is the intention of whoever produced/sold the content.

if you are an adult webmaster, or affiliated to one, or are an experianced sales person for this industry, and if you took the pics or promoted them in such way as to attract would-be adult surfers to discharge themselves over these pics - than this is called child pornography even if they are fully clothed and behind a tree.

you are USING these girls IN ORDER to satisfy sexually or stimulate sexually your surfers. that what count at court - not her age, not what she was wearing.

a huge niche in japan, for instance, is selling the panties of 13 year old schoolgirls, after they wear it once... note, when you sell it there is no girl and no nude. it is a piece of clothes. in america this will be grossly illegal for the same reason: it's the intention of the seller!

What kind of people do you think are joining these sites, and where does their traffic come from? Ask yourself that. I can tell you where...

Also, when talking about what counts in court, as I said in the other thread,... http://www.lawrencewalters.com uses a 14 step test for cp in material, its not only the intention of the seller.... its ultimately about the content and the nessage in the CONTENT not the seller, think about it...

check out that other thread.

i don't need to ask myself... the people who join these sites want to see 13 year old girls in bikinis etc. they don't want to see "art" or "select a model" for their next ad campaign.

where they get the traffic from? wherever they can. it doesn't matter. if you SELL access to these sites, depicting 13 year olds in bikinis - you have (almost always) one thing on your mind, both in the case of the seller and the buyer.

anyway, i don't think we have a real argument, except that i say that the content itself doesn't matter if you hade the wrong intention, and you say that it depends on the content (unless I don't understand your post). the "type" of content may help the seller before the verdict is read. i am sure a webmaster selling nude pics of 13 year olds will get greater sentence. still, as far as jail time, or criminal record, or $$$ fines, or probation officers etc. are concerned - the seller is guilty of a crime eitherway.

Imagine this on the 5:00 p.m. TV News with cameras outside your house

"...Willy Webmaster was paid a visit by the police today. Police are quoted as saying that they have not found anything that constitues child pornography, although at this time they have seized computers and hardware from the webmaster's home. Willy Webmaster is reported by police to be running several adult oriented websites as well as several websites that feature semi clothed girls from the ages 7-17. Willy Webmaster had no comment when asked by reporters if he was promoting child pornography or appealing to paedophiles..."

Rip, you are 100% spot on. Willy Webmaster will need OJ's lawyers to wash away clean.

I know that it is legal, there is no question about that

and there are legal sites that... press the boundaries

the way that I look at it is this;

1. your neighbours and family find out that you run adult websites

2. your neighbours find out that you run websites featuring under eighteen clothed girls

Most of the people in case number one are going to be able to live with you in case number one

You'll be lucky if someone chase you out of town in case number 2, and you won't have many close friends left...

As 99% of my neighbours stare at 16 yo naked (though artfully posed so you can only view breasts) girls in their daily papers (the Sun, Star, Sport) I don't honestly think they'd give a fuck - and I certainly wouldn't.

However, most of them would be disgusted to find pics of scat, fisting, anal, gangbangs etc all of which I have as licensed content.

Don't start all this shit again...

hehehe Im the one who is against these sites in everyway...

You say it doesnt matter where there traffic some from, you dont undertstand what I am referring to. There traffic is fucking pedophiles, they set up Yahoo groups... for example

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/up2-17fashion/

Which obviously only features models who are "up-2-17... this site is processed by Ibill and CCbill...

The Yahoo group is build to gain traffic for the site... in the Yahoo group there are links to totally unacceptable sites... but no one ever argues about this...

People want to blame everyone but the problem, if hosts and processors would stick together in having a "We choose to not process for you" instead of taking the monety, these sites would NOT be able to operate, much like Beatiality sites now...

Again, I say, if the PROCESSORS had any kind of stance on the issue it could help, but nah... as you know withn trueteenbabe he had 3k of monthly members hahah...

Also... the investigation is not over, and anyone who doesnt think there are "narcs" cruising these Adult webboards is silly... I said in the other thread... we had FBI narcs in our chat rooms 3 years ago to verify we were running an honest game, this was 97-99... these are people watching this industry more than you know.

the people who process for these sites, dont question anything regarding the site... id love to see the member list and how many 30+ guys are in there... these fuckers cant spelol art, let alone know what it is......

NO model agency finds models this way, its bullshit.
http://www.nonude-network.com is down, and its only been 3 days, wasnt connected with Jim Grady waas he? No, but hes getting major shit, and anyone who truns non nude teens will...

These laws are being tested now, and its now thast things will change, just as beastiality... maybew when its illegal the processors will say "We choose to not process for non nhjude teens" just as they claim to "have dropped the beastiality sites" when in fact they only drop them becauswe VISa will not process for them... its a big circle and the big dawgs always have their money in it somehow...

Processors have no morals.

Mush like VISa processing for beasy sites for years then stopping,.... im sure the non nude stuff will go away and everyone will play like they were always against it, as I have been...

I have made most of my money in softcore porn, never was into hardcore... it wasnt until this "teen" craze hit that people started going crazy with how far they could go...

Non nude doesnt mean under 18... no nude 18 is totally hot and will continue to rule the market, but again 6 year old with paysites? hahaha

Yeah - fact is, minors have NO SAY SO on what they do with ther body. It falls on the parents, who end up signing release forms anyway.

I have had 18 year old girls crying on my should because they just did an anal scene, wasnt expecting to, but the producers dumped an extra 500 on her to "get her go as far as she will on cam."

anyone in the hardcore adult business knows what I am talking about... "once shes on cam, the photographer can get her to do anything."

eh... not trying to argue, just theres a biiig circle in this..

For instance, KimmyKim defends that up2-17fasion.net site in the name of CC Bill... even after I told her they trade adult passwords and have links to 6 year old girls in the Yahoo club which is linked FROM THE FRONT PAGE of their pay site...

Would any processor process for my site if I have a link to a Yahoo group with pictures of 6 year olds? Or actually the model lists are seperated into ages... 6-12
13-17 and 18-26 pick a category and you can see whatever you like....

Im wasting my time again.

Just my