I'm SLOOOWLY Switching to MSN Search .. - GoFuckYourself.com

Kevsh · 01-14-2006, 03:34 AM

It took me years to switch from Netscape to IE, and then to Firefox ... but with search engines i'm a little less loyal.

Lately, I can't help but notice that particularly for adult searches (i.e. looking for link trades from similar sites, sponsors, etc. etc.) I'm getting far more relevant results from MSN.

It seems Google is not only being spammed silly (not that they can't help it!), but they are "over analyzing" pages/sites for their SERPs. I search for a relatively popular term and literally a half-dozen relative pages/sites are turning up. I know that in their recent updates they've been dropping a lot of sites and cleaning things up but ...

On MSN, sure a lot of spammy crap in their SERPs but for my money, I'm getting more results that are relevant.

Example
Search for "tiny tits" (for link trades, sponsor ideas - not personal use!)

Google
Quality of sites (relevancy) seems to drop off sharply after the first page of results - and the top 10 are just okay, but not great. Didn't find more than about 5 or 6 good "landing page" resources (aka have actual content - something a surfer would likely be looking for).

MSN
I'm still browsing and clicking on results on the 5th page, and still seeing some highly relevant results. A lot of actual content here (not just link lists) and a good mix of sites, directories, blogs and yes, some keyword-spammed sites. Overall, I've found at least a dozen good "landing pages" and lots of pages with actual content

Blogs???
One thing to note is the near total absence of any blog sites in Google's SERPs compared to MSN's. Now as a site owner, obviously I'd prefer to rank well on Google for this term but I can find highly-targeted traffic (I won't go so far as to say "better") from the "tiny tit" blogs and related sites I find in MSN's results.

I'd think too that a surfer looking for content in this (or many other) niche would be much happier with the blogs, etc. he finds on MSN Search - and likely retain longer.

Conclusion
Again, I'm NOT saying MSN is a better SE - nor does it provide better traffic or more targeted. Google is still king, but, for work-related searches and finding good results I must say I'm using MSN more and more ...

Just my early, early Sat. morning musings ... feel free to agree or set me straight (but at least try with a few terms first and compare)

BigCashCrew · 01-14-2006, 03:36 AM

I've spoken with a few guys who are big in the SE's and they are saying the same/similar thing.

xclusive · 01-14-2006, 03:49 AM

Yahoo is also getting a lot better

pocketkangaroo · 01-14-2006, 03:57 AM

MSN is catching on and getting better. Just a matter of time I think, MSN just has too much money to throw at it and Google has gotten a tad arrogant. Too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater at Google lately with some of their filters.

Kevsh · 01-14-2006, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

MSN is catching on and getting better. Just a matter of time I think, MSN just has too much money to throw at it and Google has gotten a tad arrogant. Too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater at Google lately with some of their filters.

Definetly.
Of course, as MSN grows in popularity more and more SEOs are going to try and manipulate it ... but until then, I believe they are going to continually gain ground on Google.

Pornwolf · 01-14-2006, 04:09 AM

We all knew it was gonna happen sooner or later. Why it took so long is the question.

Trax · 01-14-2006, 04:12 AM

MS is a scary company... the amount of money they can throw at shit is sick
google def got competition here
i sometimes catch myself using msn also
a little shocking

Kevsh · 01-14-2006, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trax

MS is a scary company... the amount of money they can throw at shit is sick
google def got competition here
i sometimes catch myself using msn also
a little shocking

The biggest thing working against Microsoft is the poor PR they have in the online community (that is, public relations not page rank!). No one really wants to admit the like anything by Microsoft, but when it comes to my business I put personal feelings and biases on the shelf ... MSN Search is working much better for me now so I'm going with it

darnit · 01-14-2006, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevsh

The biggest thing working against Microsoft is the poor PR they have in the online community (that is, public relations not page rank!). No one really wants to admit the like anything by Microsoft, but when it comes to my business I put personal feelings and biases on the shelf ... MSN Search is working much better for me now so I'm going with it

Once it it fully integrated with their new OS the random surfer will use it. This has been proven time and time again with MS internet technologies. I dont think my mom or grandma really keep up with the online community - or partisan bickering, they simply search for recipies in whichever box says "search" and go from there.

I wouldnt count MS out of this race one bit.

Pornwolf · 01-14-2006, 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darnit

Once it it fully integrated with their new OS the random surfer will use it. This has been proven time and time again with MS internet technologies. I dont think my mom or grandma really keep up with the online community - or partisan bickering, they simply search for recipies in whichever box says "search" and go from there.

I wouldnt count MS out of this race one bit.

This is so very true.

Splum · 01-14-2006, 05:04 AM

I thought I was the only one to use MSN search on a personal level, refreshing to see that I am not the only one. Google better watch theirs backs.

FlyingIguana · 01-14-2006, 11:00 AM

microsoft is working on behavioral search results which should be even better for advertisers. if they work out a deal with yahoo msn search could be the hot ticket

Donny · 01-14-2006, 11:05 AM

I have some really great terms for which I come up #1 on MSN Search. I love it.

pornguy · 01-14-2006, 11:07 AM

One of the sad things about the SE in general, is that it is soooo hard to find anything BUT porn.

Search Gothic, and all you find is porn, yet it is a part of history.

kenny · 01-14-2006, 11:08 AM

Microsoft is going to intergrade their operating systems with their search engine

http://ideas.live.com/

I imagine when this happens you'll see alot of people switching to MSN

kenny · 01-14-2006, 11:12 AM

Alot of times using google I have to click "cache" page just to highlight what I'm looking for.

Usually it's a brief mention and the overall page has really nothing to do with what I'm looking for.

Google never use to be like that. They changed some shit they shouldn't have changed

vvq · 01-14-2006, 11:16 AM

much easier to rank high in the serps with MSN.

kenny · 01-14-2006, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xclusive

Yahoo is also getting a lot better

Yahoo bans to many big sites.

What google likes yahoo will ban you for

archiveman · 01-14-2006, 11:19 AM

In my everyday experience, MSN and Yahoo both have a loooooooong way to go before their searches are as relevant as Google's. Take "big breast" and "big breasts": I get number 2 on Google for both those phrases, but pretty much nothing on the others; also, they list many sites which clearly aren't as relevant or are simply spamming the search engines with repeat terms.

... Also, from a usability perspective, I find Google's results are easier to read.

kenny · 01-14-2006, 11:28 AM

I like the msn results for "big breasts" better.

Google has the same sites come up for every other term.

SmokeyTheBear · 01-14-2006, 11:41 AM

www.live.com

archiveman · 01-14-2006, 11:44 AM

Why don't you check the results for "big breasts" in MSN more carefully:
e.g.
www.big-breast-lovers.net - doorway page to an affiliate site

www.tastybreasts.com: spamming the search engine: look for the repeated kewwords at the bottom:
Big Breasts #01 || Big Breasts #02 || Big Breasts #03 || Big Breasts #04 || Big Breasts #05 || Big Breasts #06 || Big Breasts #07
Big Breasts #08 || Big Breasts #09 || Big Breasts #10 || Big Breasts #11 || Big Breasts #12 || Big Breasts #13 || Big Breasts #14
Big Breasts #15 || Big Breasts #16 || Big Breasts #17 || Big Breasts #18 || Big Breasts #19 || Big Breasts #20 || Big Breasts #21
Big Breasts #22 || Big Breasts #23 || Big Breasts #24 || Big Breasts #25 || Big Breasts #26 || Big Breasts #27 || Big Breasts #28
Big Breasts #29 || Big Breasts #30

Just shows how far MSN has got to go

kenny · 01-14-2006, 11:57 AM

And both those domains have big breasts content.

So some of the sites in MSN rank high through aggressive keyword density

Google sites rank high through aggressive recip links.

Both are tactics to rank higher in my opinion

Hardlinks · 01-14-2006, 11:59 AM

I'll sell you any term on msn you think you can make money off.

Any.

The reason the results look better is simple..its not worth it to us seo guys to spam msn, i have first page listings for xxx. porn, cocks, big cocks, blowjobs, milf, milfs.....all on msn..all useless.

All fuckin useless.

What good is a search engine with no traffic.

kenny · 01-14-2006, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardlinks

I'll sell you any term on msn you think you can make money off.

Any.

Google wins hands down on making money with the results.

But that isn't what this thread is about.

SmokeyTheBear · 01-14-2006, 12:02 PM

google seems to be intentionally sabotaging its own results so more people click on the adwords ads .. This will be their downfall..

kenny · 01-14-2006, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

google seems to be intentionally sabotaging its own results so more people click on the adwords ads .. This will be their downfall..

I think they just ignored the old saying

'If it isn't broke don't fix it"

They tweak things here and there trying to improve it but they end up making it worse

kenny · 01-14-2006, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

google seems to be intentionally sabotaging its own results so more people click on the adwords ads .. This will be their downfall..

Smokey, how do you do that with your sig? That thing with my name?

I just noticed that - thats cool

Hardlinks · 01-14-2006, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenny

Google wins hands down on making money with the results.

But that isn't what this thread is about.

Right but the next statement i made was what this threads about, its exactly why msn serps are diferant, they arent worth spamming right now.

Kevsh · 01-14-2006, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by archiveman

In my everyday experience, MSN and Yahoo both have a loooooooong way to go before their searches are as relevant as Google's. Take "big breast" and "big breasts": I get number 2 on Google for both those phrases, but pretty much nothing on the others; also, they list many sites which clearly aren't as relevant or are simply spamming the search engines with repeat terms.

... Also, from a usability perspective, I find Google's results are easier to read.

Obviously you are biased because of your success with google

But I think you'll find that if you do comparitive searches for many terms on MSN and Google, and put yourself in the mind of someone actually looking for content /relevancy - not just links - you'll like what MSN shows.

Of course the results are from artificially inflated sites but it seems that the ones ranking well are for the most part deserving based on what's on the actual page/site.

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01-14-2006, 03:34 AM	#1
Kevsh Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: TO Posts: 8,619	I'm SLOOOWLY Switching to MSN Search .. It took me years to switch from Netscape to IE, and then to Firefox ... but with search engines i'm a little less loyal. Lately, I can't help but notice that particularly for adult searches (i.e. looking for link trades from similar sites, sponsors, etc. etc.) I'm getting far more relevant results from MSN. It seems Google is not only being spammed silly (not that they can't help it!), but they are "over analyzing" pages/sites for their SERPs. I search for a relatively popular term and literally a half-dozen relative pages/sites are turning up. I know that in their recent updates they've been dropping a lot of sites and cleaning things up but ... On MSN, sure a lot of spammy crap in their SERPs but for my money, I'm getting more results that are relevant. Example Search for "tiny tits" (for link trades, sponsor ideas - not personal use!) Google Quality of sites (relevancy) seems to drop off sharply after the first page of results - and the top 10 are just okay, but not great. Didn't find more than about 5 or 6 good "landing page" resources (aka have actual content - something a surfer would likely be looking for). MSN I'm still browsing and clicking on results on the 5th page, and still seeing some highly relevant results. A lot of actual content here (not just link lists) and a good mix of sites, directories, blogs and yes, some keyword-spammed sites. Overall, I've found at least a dozen good "landing pages" and lots of pages with actual content Blogs??? One thing to note is the near total absence of any blog sites in Google's SERPs compared to MSN's. Now as a site owner, obviously I'd prefer to rank well on Google for this term but I can find highly-targeted traffic (I won't go so far as to say "better") from the "tiny tit" blogs and related sites I find in MSN's results. I'd think too that a surfer looking for content in this (or many other) niche would be much happier with the blogs, etc. he finds on MSN Search - and likely retain longer. Conclusion Again, I'm NOT saying MSN is a better SE - nor does it provide better traffic or more targeted. Google is still king, but, for work-related searches and finding good results I must say I'm using MSN more and more ... Just my early, early Sat. morning musings ... feel free to agree or set me straight (but at least try with a few terms first and compare) Last edited by Kevsh; 01-14-2006 at 03:35 AM..

01-14-2006, 03:36 AM	#2
BigCashCrew Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,570	I've spoken with a few guys who are big in the SE's and they are saying the same/similar thing.

01-14-2006, 03:49 AM	#3
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01-14-2006, 03:57 AM	#4
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	MSN is catching on and getting better. Just a matter of time I think, MSN just has too much money to throw at it and Google has gotten a tad arrogant. Too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater at Google lately with some of their filters.

01-14-2006, 04:12 AM	#7
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	MS is a scary company... the amount of money they can throw at shit is sick google def got competition here i sometimes catch myself using msn also a little shocking

01-14-2006, 05:04 AM	#11
Splum Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 6,195	I thought I was the only one to use MSN search on a personal level, refreshing to see that I am not the only one. Google better watch theirs backs.

01-14-2006, 11:00 AM	#12
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	microsoft is working on behavioral search results which should be even better for advertisers. if they work out a deal with yahoo msn search could be the hot ticket

01-14-2006, 11:05 AM	#13
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	I have some really great terms for which I come up #1 on MSN Search. I love it.

01-14-2006, 11:07 AM	#14
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01-14-2006, 11:12 AM	#16
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	Alot of times using google I have to click "cache" page just to highlight what I'm looking for. Usually it's a brief mention and the overall page has really nothing to do with what I'm looking for. Google never use to be like that. They changed some shit they shouldn't have changed __________________ 7

01-14-2006, 11:16 AM	#17
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01-14-2006, 11:19 AM	#19
archiveman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 88	In my everyday experience, MSN and Yahoo both have a loooooooong way to go before their searches are as relevant as Google's. Take "big breast" and "big breasts": I get number 2 on Google for both those phrases, but pretty much nothing on the others; also, they list many sites which clearly aren't as relevant or are simply spamming the search engines with repeat terms. ... Also, from a usability perspective, I find Google's results are easier to read.

01-14-2006, 11:28 AM	#20
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	I like the msn results for "big breasts" better. Google has the same sites come up for every other term. __________________ 7

01-14-2006, 11:41 AM	#21
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01-14-2006, 11:44 AM	#22
archiveman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 88	Why don't you check the results for "big breasts" in MSN more carefully: e.g. www.big-breast-lovers.net - doorway page to an affiliate site www.tastybreasts.com: spamming the search engine: look for the repeated kewwords at the bottom: Big Breasts #01 \|\| Big Breasts #02 \|\| Big Breasts #03 \|\| Big Breasts #04 \|\| Big Breasts #05 \|\| Big Breasts #06 \|\| Big Breasts #07 Big Breasts #08 \|\| Big Breasts #09 \|\| Big Breasts #10 \|\| Big Breasts #11 \|\| Big Breasts #12 \|\| Big Breasts #13 \|\| Big Breasts #14 Big Breasts #15 \|\| Big Breasts #16 \|\| Big Breasts #17 \|\| Big Breasts #18 \|\| Big Breasts #19 \|\| Big Breasts #20 \|\| Big Breasts #21 Big Breasts #22 \|\| Big Breasts #23 \|\| Big Breasts #24 \|\| Big Breasts #25 \|\| Big Breasts #26 \|\| Big Breasts #27 \|\| Big Breasts #28 Big Breasts #29 \|\| Big Breasts #30 Just shows how far MSN has got to go

01-14-2006, 11:57 AM	#23
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	And both those domains have big breasts content. So some of the sites in MSN rank high through aggressive keyword density Google sites rank high through aggressive recip links. Both are tactics to rank higher in my opinion __________________ 7

01-14-2006, 11:59 AM	#24
Hardlinks Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Great White North Posts: 1,333	I'll sell you any term on msn you think you can make money off. Any. The reason the results look better is simple..its not worth it to us seo guys to spam msn, i have first page listings for xxx. porn, cocks, big cocks, blowjobs, milf, milfs.....all on msn..all useless. All fuckin useless. What good is a search engine with no traffic. __________________ Find out how I make Fabulous Cash !! Last edited by Hardlinks; 01-14-2006 at 12:01 PM..

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