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chadglni 01-13-2006 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta
I remember raising this point about the authorities using RICO " at every sauce " and soon the PATRIOT AACT too ...

Right wingers ( Ronbtx, sperbonzo, TheKing, 12clicks, Warchild and so on ) ... laughed and posted pictures of Tin Foil hats .... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Here is to them :

http://www.sightlossmatters.com/imag...ne-user-lo.jpg

You can always search the threads ... I don't have time for that anymore :2 cents:

For best results this deserves it's own thread. :thumbsup

mikesouth 01-13-2006 11:02 PM

OK here's what i think everyone knows.

The government feared for its case so they offered a plea deal with the nolo, on the flip side if he went through with the not guilty they were going to make sure he spent a pile of money to defend himself, money that they intended to try to confiscate under RICO predicates. RICO forfieture was set up to prevent wealthy mobsters from having the resources to defend themselves. Using it here is an abomination for sure.

The nolo IS a guilty plea no doubt about it, the sentencing is the same, it goes on your record and it counts against you if you are convicted again just you you didnt say you are guilty doesn't mean the court didn't lay that verdict on you, for all practical purposes they do. Should he try to get a security clearance...thats on his record same as a guilty...deal with it.

He didn't plea nolo for anyone but himself, he certainly didn't help us by doing so, his only real chance to help the biz was to go the distance

arguably he didn't hurt us but on the flip side arguably he did. You can bet the state chalked it up as a win and it makes it easier next time around.

dont get me wrong I don't blame him, defending himself would have been a huge expense and the state knew it. They counted on it when they offered the deal...it seems like everyone won but truth is we all lost

he lost because well...he is guilty and paying for his crime
we lost because a good fight on first amendment grounds would likely have won

who won? Larry Walters won...he will chalk this up in his win column...but how can he and the state win...only in a lawyers mind....but he did get paid so thats a win in his P&L.

The prosecutor won, he got a conviction period

So we can safely say the lawyers won

Sadly the constitution lost.

meaning we the people, lost.

directfiesta 01-13-2006 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth
OK here's what i think everyone knows.

The government feared for its case so they offered a plea deal with the nolo, on the flip side if he went through with the not guilty they were going to make sure he spent a pile of money to defend himself, money that they intended to try to confiscate under RICO predicates. RICO forfieture was set up to prevent wealthy mobsters from having the resources to defend themselves. Using it here is an abomination for sure.

The nolo IS a guilty plea no doubt about it, the sentencing is the same, it goes on your record and it counts against you if you are convicted again just you you didnt say you are guilty doesn't mean the court didn't lay that verdict on you, for all practical purposes they do. Should he try to get a security clearance...thats on his record same as a guilty...deal with it.

He didn't plea nolo for anyone but himself, he certainly didn't help us by doing so, his only real chance to help the biz was to go the distance

arguably he didn't hurt us but on the flip side arguably he did. You can bet the state chalked it up as a win and it makes it easier next time around.

dont get me wrong I don't blame him, defending himself would have been a huge expense and the state knew it. They counted on it when they offered the deal...it seems like everyone won but truth is we all lost

he lost because well...he is guilty and paying for his crime
we lost because a good fight on first amendment grounds would likely have won

who won? Larry Walters won...he will chalk this up in his win column...but how can he and the state win...only in a lawyers mind....but he did get paid so thats a win in his P&L.

The prosecutor won, he got a conviction period

So we can safely say the lawyers won

Sadly the constitution lost.

meaning we the people, lost.


Very nicely put, Mike.

The question now is : WHO'S NEXT ?

Greg B 01-13-2006 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth
OK here's what i think everyone knows.

The government feared for its case so they offered a plea deal with the nolo, on the flip side if he went through with the not guilty they were going to make sure he spent a pile of money to defend himself, money that they intended to try to confiscate under RICO predicates. RICO forfieture was set up to prevent wealthy mobsters from having the resources to defend themselves. Using it here is an abomination for sure.

The nolo IS a guilty plea no doubt about it, the sentencing is the same, it goes on your record and it counts against you if you are convicted again just you you didnt say you are guilty doesn't mean the court didn't lay that verdict on you, for all practical purposes they do. Should he try to get a security clearance...thats on his record same as a guilty...deal with it.

He didn't plea nolo for anyone but himself, he certainly didn't help us by doing so, his only real chance to help the biz was to go the distance

arguably he didn't hurt us but on the flip side arguably he did. You can bet the state chalked it up as a win and it makes it easier next time around.

dont get me wrong I don't blame him, defending himself would have been a huge expense and the state knew it. They counted on it when they offered the deal...it seems like everyone won but truth is we all lost

he lost because well...he is guilty and paying for his crime
we lost because a good fight on first amendment grounds would likely have won

who won? Larry Walters won...he will chalk this up in his win column...but how can he and the state win...only in a lawyers mind....but he did get paid so thats a win in his P&L.

The prosecutor won, he got a conviction period

So we can safely say the lawyers won

Sadly the constitution lost.

meaning we the people, lost.

No, the people lost because of the tax dollars expended to prosecute and investigate. It must have been tens if not hundreds of thousands of bucks. They didn't recoup. It's gotta be answerable at some point.

What was on the site that was considered obscene? What did he do that required a RICO case?

There are millions of people running over the borders and thousands committing violent crimes but the taxpayer dollars were spent to beat down a one guy's website? There's something else going on here.

It was an 'easy pickens' attack and no one won. At least Chris is still free but 5 years probation? He must have had something on his site that justified this.

In the U.S. like in some countries, if you have a nude woman in a creative work people complain. Yet you can show all the images of mayhem til your heart's content. What does that say about the stable mental state of a person or people who would allow that?

What exactly did Chris do that brought this down on him? Showing pictures?

Deputy Chief Command 01-13-2006 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xanx
I will speak more on what was going on "behind the scenes" later to anyone that wants to listen. I do want to clear up a few things though.

1) This obscenity case was a fight I was willing to fight till the end. I believe I have done nothing wrong what-so-ever and sat in jail on two different occasions not knowing when I would be released, to accent that fact. There was so much more involved in this then a plain obscenity case. You have to understand the extreme hatered this sheriff and proscuter have for me and this line of work. The decision to take this deal was NOT an easy one even though it boiled down to basicaly a slap on the wrist it was still VERY hard decision to make. You have to know that thinking about the impact a negitive outcome could have caused this industry played a VERY big role in my decision as well.

2) The state was also about to file two seperate RICO charges against me. So I would be fighting in civil court as well as felony criminal court on both of those and still fighting 1 count in felony criminal court for obscenity and 300 counts relating to the various misdomenors also. This would have easily tied up the next 5+ years of my life with the end result possibly being prision for a very long time.

3) I at no point did I ever "try and play cute" or "thumb my nose" at anyone. I only did what most of you are doing here which is run/own and adult site. Yes I spoke to the press at first and I would do it again if they ask questions about my business. I am not hiding anything, they can ask me anything they want. I know some of you say you wouldn't talk to the press no matter what. That's fine but I also have to say that most of you saying that have never done anything worthy of the press talking to you. Think about that for a second.


4) I am not a HUSTLER, PLAYBOY, ADULT.COM etc but I was by no means barely making it in this industry. My site made VERY good money but as some of you know these cases are VERY VERY expensive and asking for donations to the fight was as much about letting people who believe this was a grave injustice show support as it was helping keep the fight financially going.

5) I have been through two Pentagon investagations, kicked out of my townhouse, sat in jail twice, my house raided, my business gone through with a fine tooth comb, several death threats, my personal and business computers shipped to the Pentagon to be forensicly searched through, stalked by the media and the consertive christian wierdos all because I TRULY believe in this industry and I truly believe I have done nothing worng. I chose to fight instead of roll-over no matter what some of you claim.

5) Larry Walters and gang from http://www.firstamendment.com/ is truly one of the BEST allies you can have in this industry. I owe my freadom to these guys. They are truly amazing. Larry, Derk, and Marc believe so much in this industry and take attacks against it so personally that they come out fighting like pitbulls. They are in my opinion THE BEST in the industry.

please excure spelling and grammer mistakes as I typed this very fast as I am late for something already.




I am sorry, but in each of the points you make you contradict yourself


in my eyes you are a loser ! a pathetic loser

Deputy Chief Command 01-13-2006 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xanx

3) I at no point did I ever "try and play cute" or "thumb my nose" at anyone.


ahh ok, thats why you say things like this ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by xanx
I know some of you say you wouldn't talk to the press no matter what. That's fine but I also have to say that most of you saying that have never done anything worthy of the press talking to you. Think about that for a second.


mikesouth 01-13-2006 11:55 PM

first it cost very little to prosecute this case realistically the prosecutor is a salaried employee, in the terms of cost per win this one was realistically a few hundred bucks...nothing compared to what would have been spent had it gone the distance.

Second I have nothing against Mr Walters other than his being an attorney of course...and I have nothing against capitalism but a capitalist is what he is. While I don't expect him to work for free I would like to see a tad of pro bono work on his part when a win would be hugely beneficial to everyone in the industry he defends...of course if he did that then he wouldnt make money cuz he wouldnt have to defend us right?

Lets be careful when we practically canonize an attorney here...

Deputy Chief Command 01-13-2006 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xanx
4) I am not a HUSTLER, PLAYBOY, ADULT.COM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xanx
My site made VERY good money


ahh, so on the one hand you want to make it look like you are just a smalltimer , and on the other hand you want to brag about how much money you make ? all in one time ? ? ?huh ? ? idiot!!!!

MicroChick 01-14-2006 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davecummings
He's been through hell!

It would have been interesting to see this go to trial and have the prosecution lose BIG time!

Dave

He's been through hell ???? Bullshit. Censorship sucks, but assholes in Porn aren't happy peddling their porn crap, they have to pay homeless people to beat the shit out of each other or pay American soldiers to strip off their clothes and act unprofessional while in the service or convince soldiers to send bloody war pictures to a pornsite. Everyone involved should be prosecuted, including the stupid ass USA servicemen/women.

MicroChick 01-14-2006 03:43 AM

And Dave, start acting your age and cover up that old wrinkled prick of yours and keep it hidden.

You are one sorry bastard. Don't talk to me about censorship. I get censored on boards all the time, and I don't like people stepping on my First Amendment Rights, but the bastard in this case deserves what he got and should have gotten more.

MicroChick 01-14-2006 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hornydog4cooter
Wtf did he plead no contest :mad:

Why? Because you don't fuck around with the Feds. If you are stupid enough to go to trial against our government, you have less than a 5% chance of winning. And if you win, the government will be on your ass until you are six feet under. Just ask some of the famous hackers who tried to fight the government. They all eventually settled.

Plus, we are talking about a porn dumbass. Why would he want to get involved with American servicemen/women.

You guys are probably doing the same thing he did, and if you are, I hope they throw all of you in jail.

Greg B 01-14-2006 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MicroChick
He's been through hell ???? Bullshit. Censorship sucks, but assholes in Porn aren't happy peddling their porn crap, they have to pay homeless people to beat the shit out of each other or pay American soldiers to strip off their clothes and act unprofessional while in the service or convince soldiers to send bloody war pictures to a pornsite. Everyone involved should be prosecuted, including the stupid ass USA servicemen/women.

Wo, lemme get this straight.

Dude had a site with pics of war victims and active military in adult shots?

That's freakin' weird. Yet I get emails from cop friends of mine and military going all into detail about the grisly shit going on in Iraq.

I have no idea what he had on his site that caused all this ruckus but it sounds like he had unique stuff that was way overboard and pushed the wrong buttons.

I do editorial cartoons on my site. I've been an editorial cartoonist for going on 30 years. I did one a few years ago where it had Saddam Hussein getting plowed into an underground bunker where Satan was sitting there watching CNN. That toon appeared on websites and newspapers around the world. Lo and behold a year later they found Hussein in an underground bunker!

I've worked with major media and news for decades. I've seen politically criminal shit like no tomorrow and had to leave the mainstream because of it.

Our birthrights, yes, our Constitutional rights are clear. Especially 'Freedom from fear of Government'. When's the last time you WEREN'T afraid of our government? That's the bottom line. When one, just one of your birthrights is violated, ALL of them have become violated and that covenant between government and citizen have become invalidated. Yet people won't fight for their rights because they don't want to rock the boat. Can't risk those mortgage payments because 98% of the population is just one major illness or lawsuit from the poor house. That's a lot of leverage to an oppressive force using government or color of authority to do harm.

Never in American history has government and industry had so much power to control, invade the citizenry. I hate to make the analogy but it's like the last Star Wars movie where they fucked up and let Palpatine have control of the government and when it was too late they all got fucked.

Scary.

KRL 04-21-2006 10:48 PM

Latest update . . .

Porn Site Owner Gets 5 Years Probation

BARTOW, Fla. -- A man who ran a pornographic Web site that included grisly photographs of war dead taken by U.S. troops was sentenced Friday to five years' probation, his attorney said.

Chris Wilson, 28, a former Eagle Lake police officer, pleaded no contest in January to five misdemeanor charges of possession of obscene materials. The state dismissed 296 other similar charges.

Wilson's Web site gave soldiers free access to pornography in exchange for posting pictures from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Polk County sheriff's officials said Wilson's arrest in October stemmed from the site's sexually explicit content, not the pictures of war dead.

"He agreed to stay out of the adult Web site business for the term of his probation," defense attorney Larry Walters said.

Though the Web site launched a Pentagon investigation into how war zone photos of charred and dismembered bodies described as victims of U.S. attacks could have surfaced, military investigators did not pursue criminal charges against Wilson.

12clicks 04-24-2006 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta
I remember raising this point about the authorities using RICO " at every sauce " and soon the PATRIOT AACT too ...

Right wingers ( Ronbtx, sperbonzo, TheKing, 12clicks, Warchild and so on ) ... laughed and posted pictures of Tin Foil hats .... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

hello, I'm directfiesta. with my amazing vision, and brain power, I've managed to see a connection with this and the patriot act.
http://www.sightlossmatters.com/imag...ne-user-lo.jpg
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

pussyluver 04-24-2006 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth
first it cost very little to prosecute this case realistically the prosecutor is a salaried employee, in the terms of cost per win this one was realistically a few hundred bucks...nothing compared to what would have been spent had it gone the distance.

Second I have nothing against Mr Walters other than his being an attorney of course...and I have nothing against capitalism but a capitalist is what he is. While I don't expect him to work for free I would like to see a tad of pro bono work on his part when a win would be hugely beneficial to everyone in the industry he defends...of course if he did that then he wouldnt make money cuz he wouldnt have to defend us right?

Lets be careful when we practically canonize an attorney here...

We really don't know the details here. So far they are private. Mr. Walters is in business to make $$ no doubt. The legal team in this case pulled out all the stops in defense of Chris and the industry from my lay point of view. So Chris may still owe a hefty sum to the law firm? Or maybe they gave him a deal? Mr. Walters does appear to be very passionate about the cause.

My question to Chris is where do you stand on the legal bills? Whether you answer that personal question is up to you. Do you still need legal financial help? I understand that you may have some opportunities the might make some decent bucks for ya.

Count me as one that is interested in hearing more details that went on behind the scenes.

Phoenix 04-24-2006 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks
hello, I'm directfiesta. with my amazing vision, and brain power, I've managed to see a connection with this and the patriot act.
http://www.sightlossmatters.com/imag...ne-user-lo.jpg
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


the master of saying nothing at all in a few short lines


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