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MacDaddyPlaya · 01-13-2006, 12:34 PM

Realistically, how long do you think it takes a new site to get out?

pocketkangaroo · 01-13-2006, 12:36 PM

Depends on a lot of factors. The industry, keywords, where you get your links from, how you get them, how many, and so on. I've had sites break out in as early as 3 months and as much as 15 months.

PiercedCandy · 01-13-2006, 12:37 PM

type the word failure into google...funny shit

monro · 01-13-2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

Realistically, how long do you think it takes a new site to get out?

Have you ever heard of Google mention a "Google Sandbox"?
Is someting invented out of the thin air.

MacDaddyPlaya · 01-13-2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Depends on a lot of factors. The industry, keywords, where you get your links from, how you get them, how many, and so on. I've had sites break out in as early as 3 months and as much as 15 months.

15 months...UGH! Thanks for the info pocket

WiredGuy · 01-13-2006, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Depends on a lot of factors. The industry, keywords, where you get your links from, how you get them, how many, and so on. I've had sites break out in as early as 3 months and as much as 15 months.

What he said...
WG

MacDaddyPlaya · 01-13-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by monro

Have you ever heard of Google mention a "Google Sandbox"?
Is someting invented out of the thin air.

Google has never publically confirmed it, and I am not here to definitively say it exists. Just from my experience (and I am not alone) I believe it does.

The greatest feat the devil ever accomplished was convincing the world he doesn't exist.

monro · 01-13-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Depends on a lot of factors. The industry, keywords, where you get your links from, how you get them, how many, and so on. I've had sites break out in as early as 3 months and as much as 15 months.

How do you know? Must take a lot of testing to find that out! And during that time there are new rules.
I'm tired of of that "knowledge"

JD · 01-13-2006, 12:42 PM

as long as you do shit in a "natural" manner there's no need to worry about the sandbox

Trax · 01-13-2006, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

What he said...
WG

well i dont 100% agree
3 months for the keyword "fat ass tranny bitches fucking midgets"
9 months is the general
after 3 months no site is out of the sandbox

archiveman · 01-13-2006, 12:46 PM

Wanna give out the link to the site in question? Might give a better idea of why you're in there in the first place.

pocketkangaroo · 01-13-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by monro

Have you ever heard of Google mention a "Google Sandbox"?
Is someting invented out of the thin air.

Actually they have in a way mentioned it a few times at major webmaster conferences. Even Matt Cutts (a Google engineer) has stated on his blog that there is an aging filter in place.

V_RocKs · 01-13-2006, 12:47 PM

I have had sites that went into the sandbox for 3 to 5 months and others that have been in it for over a year...

The lower ones I just kept doing whitehat tactics... slow link building with sites that had content and adding content to my own site.

The higher ones I am targeting other search engines without sandboxes so I couldn't give a fuck about Google in their cases.

kektex · 01-13-2006, 12:48 PM

I`ve had new domains show up in the search results a month after they were registered.
I had a site ready the moment I registered it and some backlinks,so I don`t know if that has anything to do with it...

monro · 01-13-2006, 12:48 PM

There is no "Sandbox"

If I publish a new site and link to it from a site visited by Google it is linked in a few days.

The SEO:s love to invent new things and you follow like a stupid flock of muslims.

pocketkangaroo · 01-13-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by monro

How do you know? Must take a lot of testing to find that out! And during that time there are new rules.
I'm tired of of that "knowledge"

I do it for a living, albeit primarily in the mainstream sector. I've probably had about 300-400 domains go up in the past year and a half. I've tested many of them with different factors and have seen varied results.

As for not getting out in 3 months, I've had a few. To be honest, I was able to pick up a DMOZ, Yahoo!, and Wikipedia link in the first month on one along with a couple other relevant links. But for the most part, the norm is 9 months.

pocketkangaroo · 01-13-2006, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monro

There is no "Sandbox"

If I publish a new site and link to it from a site visited by Google it is linked in a few days.

The SEO:s love to invent new things and you follow like a stupid flock of muslims.

Google has themselves admitted to the aging delay filters they have in place that we refer to as "sandbox". Perhaps it's not a good name, but anyone who is in SEO will tell you that there is a delay in ranking sites. It is no coincidence that your site that you've worked on for 9 months jumps from spot #980 to #2 overnight.

Also, sandbox has nothing to do with being indexed or in the Google results. It has to do with ranking for competitive terms.

Tom_PM · 01-13-2006, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monro

There is no "Sandbox"

If I publish a new site and link to it from a site visited by Google it is linked in a few days.

The SEO:s love to invent new things and you follow like a stupid flock of muslims.

Are you insinuating that only muslims follow their leaders blindly?

monro · 01-13-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Also, sandbox has nothing to do with being indexed or in the Google results. It has to do with ranking for competitive terms.

I must be a little rude:

How do you know that?

Personal friends at Google?

As I said before, I'm tried of all this "knowledge" published by people not fom Google.

monro · 01-13-2006, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Are you insinuating that only muslims follow their leaders blindly?

Indeed I do.

pocketkangaroo · 01-13-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by monro

I must be a little rude:

How do you know that?

Personal friends at Google?

As I said before, I'm tried of all this "knowledge" published by people not fom Google.

Google engineers have acknowledged this first off.

Second, I've setup 300-400 domains, I've watched thousands of domains, and I've talked with and shared thoughts with a lot of other SEOs/webmasters. This is my experience and it seems almost every other webmaster in the world has had the same one.

Lastly, Google isn't going to tell you what their algorithim is. They aren't going to be forward with filters, delays, and so on. They hate SEOs.

monro · 01-13-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Lastly, Google isn't going to tell you what their algorithim is. They aren't going to be forward with filters, delays, and so on. They hate SEOs.

So, why are you publishing shit like "sandbox" and so on when you know nothing about it?
Frankly, Google is like the chef in the army, just mixing the soup from time to time so everyone can get their shair of the fat. Easy as that.

Stop inventing new words and other stupid things.

pocketkangaroo · 01-13-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by monro

So, why are you publishing shit like "sandbox" and so on when you know nothing about it?
Frankly, Google is like the chef in the army, just mixing the soup from time to time so everyone can get their shair of the fat. Easy as that.

Stop inventing new words and other stupid things.

I didn't invent the word. It has been used by webmasters for almost 2 years now to describe the delay in ranking new sites in Google. Some call it an "age filter" or whatnot, but the majority of people refer to it as the sandbox.

Sausage · 01-13-2006, 01:26 PM

Monro, I do a lot of seo too, and you have to be doing something really off-base to not see a time delay penalty of sorts which we call a 'sandbox'. It never changes, and while the actual 'sandbox' may not exist ... the behaviour of the algos definitely creates the illusion of one.

So stop being argumentitive for the sake of being argumentitive and you might just learn something ;)

Babagirls · 01-13-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PiercedCandy

type the word failure into google...funny shit

archiveman · 01-13-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sausage

Monro, I do a lot of seo too, and you have to be doing something really off-base to not see a time delay penalty of sorts which we call a 'sandbox'. It never changes, and while the actual 'sandbox' may not exist ... the behaviour of the algos definitely creates the illusion of one.

So stop being argumentitive for the sake of being argumentitive and you might just learn something ;)

With you on this one - I also do a lot of SEO/usability and sandbox is a term that's been around quite a while.

baddog · 01-13-2006, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monro

Have you ever heard of Google mention a "Google Sandbox"?
Is someting invented out of the thin air.

BlackCrayon · 01-13-2006, 01:44 PM

thank god i bought a shitload of domains years ago and always kept em active. this sandbox thing is stupid but you can thank the seo spammers for it.

chadglni · 01-13-2006, 01:44 PM

My mainstream blogs never missed a beat in google rankings. Some of my other shit was sandboxed for a year. Are you guys sure there is no way around the aging filter because I've been getting good SE traffic from nice spots as soon as 2 days after a site went live.

MacDaddyPlaya · 01-13-2006, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sausage

Monro, I do a lot of seo too, and you have to be doing something really off-base to not see a time delay penalty of sorts which we call a 'sandbox'. It never changes, and while the actual 'sandbox' may not exist ... the behaviour of the algos definitely creates the illusion of one.

So stop being argumentitive for the sake of being argumentitive and you might just learn something ;)

Well said.

pocketkangaroo · 01-13-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

My mainstream blogs never missed a beat in google rankings. Some of my other shit was sandboxed for a year. Are you guys sure there is no way around the aging filter because I've been getting good SE traffic from nice spots as soon as 2 days after a site went live.

Depends on the terms. Typically blogs get a lot of traffic because they have an immense amount of content. I bet if you look at your stats a majority of the traffic is coming from smaller, non-competitive terms. You can get a lot because of the content, which adds up to be a lot of traffic. However, if you're targeting a term that is highly competitive, it is next to impossible to rank with a new site in a short period of time. A lot depends on the industry too. Targeting mortgage for instance is usually held down longer than a site talking about garden supplies.

chadglni · 01-13-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Depends on the terms. Typically blogs get a lot of traffic because they have an immense amount of content. I bet if you look at your stats a majority of the traffic is coming from smaller, non-competitive terms. You can get a lot because of the content, which adds up to be a lot of traffic. However, if you're targeting a term that is highly competitive, it is next to impossible to rank with a new site in a short period of time. A lot depends on the industry too. Targeting mortgage for instance is usually held down longer than a site talking about garden supplies.

Not small terms but definately not the most competitive either. I'm not so shit hot at getting those listings before or after a sandbox.

What I mean is, some of the mid range but still popular terms always do better for me on a blog. Even if I had put the same content on a regular site the backlinks and quick indexing make the blog win. Also, I have had sites get in google for a couple of weeks then disappear for months but so far never happened to a blog optimized to get backlinks etc automatically.

SmokeyTheBear · 01-13-2006, 02:00 PM

http://roberttaft.com/no_filter.htm

a tool to see if your sandboxed.

pocketkangaroo · 01-13-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

Not small terms but definately not the most competitive either. I'm not so shit hot at getting those listings before or after a sandbox.

What I mean is, some of the mid range but still popular terms always do better for me on a blog. Even if I had put the same content on a regular site the backlinks and quick indexing make the blog win. Also, I have had sites get in google for a couple of weeks then disappear for months but so far never happened to a blog optimized to get backlinks etc automatically.

I think blogs have a lot of advantages that help it rank as well. First the fact they are updated frequently is a plus in Google's eyes. Second, they aren't really a threat in Google's eyes either. They typically aren't getting an abundance of links with anchor text and they typically have more naturally looking content than someone who built a page strictly for SEO. You fly under their radar for the most part and reap the rewards. Seems like you know what you are doing though.

pocketkangaroo · 01-13-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

http://roberttaft.com/no_filter.htm

a tool to see if your sandboxed.

It will also show if your older site is being filtered in some way by Google. This can be caused by getting too many irrelevant links, abusing anchor text, or getting caught in a link network.

SmokeyTheBear · 01-13-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

It will also show if your older site is being filtered in some way by Google. This can be caused by getting too many irrelevant links, abusing anchor text, or getting caught in a link network.

wedouglas · 01-13-2006, 02:43 PM

it can be 0-long time.

if you have a new site and cnn starts linking to you, you will get out damn soon. if you have decent links it could be a coupel months. you have garabge links, could be forever.

gfx3 · 01-13-2006, 02:58 PM

I had a non adult site in the past it had a lousy ranking page 115 with google. Suddenly after about a good 12 months it was there on page one 5th position. Perhaps it had something to do with the fact i renewed the domain name. Traffic went trough the roof for that site. Just wait and see what happens. Google is to complicated to master it IMO

baddog · 01-13-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pornopete

3months? Dude that is WAY to long. If I'm not on the first page in 3 weeks I know I did something wrong!

yeah, right

Doctor Dre · 01-13-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Depends on a lot of factors. The industry, keywords, where you get your links from, how you get them, how many, and so on. I've had sites break out in as early as 3 months and as much as 15 months.

I don't understand why but with one of my blog it took less then a week... and a month after I was PR5

But with most of my other projects it took +- 3-4 months

gfx3 · 01-13-2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

http://roberttaft.com/no_filter.htm

a tool to see if your sandboxed.

With regular search I'm on spot 1
Without filters my main page is on spot 3

I get around 150 hits from google those hits are based on text it found on my site. For the keywords I'm aiming at I'm not even in the top 100 pages. Ok I'm aiming at free sex so tose aren't the most easy keywords to score with

I don't worry to much about google and focus on quality of my site instead. Sooner or later google will like my site when it figured out what I'm doing.

Marshal · 01-13-2006, 03:14 PM

sandbox is only applied on fresh domain that has already been registered. it exists only to keep domain unlisted until all the past links are dead. you could get a new domain spidered in couple of days (in case it is linked from domain that has been bot-visited daily)...

sandbox a myth? hehe...

FreeAgent · 01-13-2006, 03:17 PM

Here are two good threads on the Google Sandbox...

Is There A Google Sandbox?
http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/...ead.php?t=9319

Getting Out Of Google Sandbox Using Subdomain & Redirection
http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/...ead.php?t=9137

Marshal · 01-13-2006, 03:18 PM

if there's no text spidered for your domain, you are in the sandbox or not crawled yet...
if you are not listed - you are either banned or not spidered yet...
very simple rules... :D

angelro · 01-13-2006, 03:24 PM

monro - stop pretending you know what sandbox is... because you don't. It exists even you like it or not. I am in the SEO bussines from some years now in both adult and mainstream and have got this fucking thing called sandbox on some sites... it is a google filter introduced to prevent sites using black hat SEO stay in tops... you pass over it with a continuous good link building.. so fucking stop pretending you are the GOD and all the rest are stupid sheeps... because it's not like that ...

bdld · 01-13-2006, 03:54 PM

the sandbox most definitely exists, i have a small network of mainstream sites released around the same time that are at 6 months and counting. i've got them listed but their rankings are way too low.

FreeAgent · 01-13-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by angelro

monro - stop pretending you know what sandbox is... because you don't. It exists even you like it or not. I am in the SEO bussines from some years now in both adult and mainstream and have got this fucking thing called sandbox on some sites... it is a google filter introduced to prevent sites using black hat SEO stay in tops... you pass over it with a continuous good link building.. so fucking stop pretending you are the GOD and all the rest are stupid sheeps... because it's not like that ...

Technically speaking there is no Google sandbox, and until there is rock soild proff that a sandbox does exist it will never be anymore real than aliens, bigfoot and the loch ness monster.

Google does however have many different filters, and triggering more then one could cause a sandbox like effect. The best way to avoid Googles many filters is not to do anything that you should not be doing in the first place.

pocketkangaroo · 01-13-2006, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FreeAgent

Technically speaking there is no Google sandbox, and until there is rock soild proff that a sandbox does exist it will never be anymore real than aliens, bigfoot and the loch ness monster.

Fine. Since it doesn't exist, could you please show me an example of a site registered in the past 3 months that is ranking high on Google for a competitive phrase?

AdultNex · 01-13-2006, 04:29 PM

Wow, there are some truly clueless "seo-wannabe" idiots in this industry.

The Google Sandbox DOES exist:

http://www.google.com/search?q=googl...en-US:official

boner 2.0 · 01-13-2006, 04:30 PM

51 "adults" in Google Sandbox

01-13-2006, 12:34 PM	#1
MacDaddyPlaya Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Just north of Cuba Posts: 1,785	Google Sandbox Realistically, how long do you think it takes a new site to get out? __________________ Sigless

01-13-2006, 12:37 PM	#3
PiercedCandy Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 57	type the word failure into google...funny shit __________________ Sweetness

01-13-2006, 12:48 PM	#14
kektex Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: elkektex at gmail Posts: 1,813	I`ve had new domains show up in the search results a month after they were registered. I had a site ready the moment I registered it and some backlinks,so I don`t know if that has anything to do with it... __________________ exgfmovies.com, exgfclips.com, datesx.com, gayboards.com and more!

01-13-2006, 01:44 PM	#28
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	thank god i bought a shitload of domains years ago and always kept em active. this sandbox thing is stupid but you can thank the seo spammers for it. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

01-13-2006, 02:00 PM	#33
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	http://roberttaft.com/no_filter.htm a tool to see if your sandboxed. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

01-13-2006, 12:36 PM	#2
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	Depends on a lot of factors. The industry, keywords, where you get your links from, how you get them, how many, and so on. I've had sites break out in as early as 3 months and as much as 15 months.

01-13-2006, 12:42 PM	#9
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	as long as you do shit in a "natural" manner there's no need to worry about the sandbox

01-13-2006, 12:46 PM	#11
archiveman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 88	Wanna give out the link to the site in question? Might give a better idea of why you're in there in the first place.

01-13-2006, 12:47 PM	#13
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,422	I have had sites that went into the sandbox for 3 to 5 months and others that have been in it for over a year... The lower ones I just kept doing whitehat tactics... slow link building with sites that had content and adding content to my own site. The higher ones I am targeting other search engines without sandboxes so I couldn't give a fuck about Google in their cases.

01-13-2006, 12:48 PM	#15
monro So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 787	There is no "Sandbox" If I publish a new site and link to it from a site visited by Google it is linked in a few days. The SEO:s love to invent new things and you follow like a stupid flock of muslims.

01-13-2006, 01:26 PM	#24
Sausage Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,012	Monro, I do a lot of seo too, and you have to be doing something really off-base to not see a time delay penalty of sorts which we call a 'sandbox'. It never changes, and while the actual 'sandbox' may not exist ... the behaviour of the algos definitely creates the illusion of one. So stop being argumentitive for the sake of being argumentitive and you might just learn something ;)

01-13-2006, 01:44 PM	#29
chadglni Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PEI, Canada Posts: 6,924	My mainstream blogs never missed a beat in google rankings. Some of my other shit was sandboxed for a year. Are you guys sure there is no way around the aging filter because I've been getting good SE traffic from nice spots as soon as 2 days after a site went live.

01-13-2006, 02:43 PM	#37
wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	it can be 0-long time. if you have a new site and cnn starts linking to you, you will get out damn soon. if you have decent links it could be a coupel months. you have garabge links, could be forever.

01-13-2006, 02:58 PM	#38
gfx3 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,685	I had a non adult site in the past it had a lousy ranking page 115 with google. Suddenly after about a good 12 months it was there on page one 5th position. Perhaps it had something to do with the fact i renewed the domain name. Traffic went trough the roof for that site. Just wait and see what happens. Google is to complicated to master it IMO __________________

01-13-2006, 03:14 PM	#42
Marshal Biz Dev and SEO Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15,182	sandbox is only applied on fresh domain that has already been registered. it exists only to keep domain unlisted until all the past links are dead. you could get a new domain spidered in couple of days (in case it is linked from domain that has been bot-visited daily)... sandbox a myth? hehe... __________________ --- Busy ranking websites on Google...

01-13-2006, 03:17 PM	#43
FreeAgent Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 234	Here are two good threads on the Google Sandbox... Is There A Google Sandbox? http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/...ead.php?t=9319 Getting Out Of Google Sandbox Using Subdomain & Redirection http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/...ead.php?t=9137 __________________ Go waste some time on my new blog, Tasty Fresh Teens!

01-13-2006, 03:18 PM	#44
Marshal Biz Dev and SEO Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15,182	if there's no text spidered for your domain, you are in the sandbox or not crawled yet... if you are not listed - you are either banned or not spidered yet... very simple rules... :D __________________ --- Busy ranking websites on Google...

01-13-2006, 03:24 PM	#45
angelro Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 303	monro - stop pretending you know what sandbox is... because you don't. It exists even you like it or not. I am in the SEO bussines from some years now in both adult and mainstream and have got this fucking thing called sandbox on some sites... it is a google filter introduced to prevent sites using black hat SEO stay in tops... you pass over it with a continuous good link building.. so fucking stop pretending you are the GOD and all the rest are stupid sheeps... because it's not like that ...

01-13-2006, 03:54 PM	#46
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	the sandbox most definitely exists, i have a small network of mainstream sites released around the same time that are at 6 months and counting. i've got them listed but their rankings are way too low.

01-13-2006, 04:29 PM	#49
AdultNex Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bostonnnn Posts: 8,985	Wow, there are some truly clueless "seo-wannabe" idiots in this industry. The Google Sandbox DOES exist: http://www.google.com/search?q=googl...en-US:official

01-13-2006, 04:30 PM	#50
boner 2.0 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 10,970	51 "adults" in Google Sandbox