8th grader just Shot by SWAT Team in Florida school - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

boner 2.0 · 01-13-2006, 01:47 PM

51 crazy shit

Anthony · 01-13-2006, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Manga1

Rock throwing is only used by Newfie cops. Ever hear of tear gas, or a taser?

You, are an idiot.

Since you know it all... Are you familliar with the term "Escalation of Force"?

Student had a gun, and was waving it around enough to be considered dangerous.

Only a moron brings a knife to a gun fight.

You didn't answer my earlier question, should the police have let themselves get shot so that this idiot kid with a gun hopefully puts it down? You know, after running around with it, taking another student hostage, etc, etc...

AcidMax · 01-13-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Manga1

I'm sure I know a lot more cops than you dude.

Um I think Fred Quimby is a Fire Chief in his area, so I really doubt you know more cops than him. Being a firefighter myself, we work really closely with the local law enforcement, so unless you know A LOT of cops, I would think that statement is probably not true.

Now on to the story..if the kid pointed a gun at the police, another person etc., then this kid deserved to be shot. Sooner or later people need to take responsibility for their actions. If you point a gun at someone expect someone to take you down.

calibra · 01-13-2006, 01:52 PM

That sucks. But still if you bring a gun to school and you aim it at somebody WTF do you expect?

sherie · 01-13-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fred Quimby

He must have been a mental midget to be 15 and still only in 8th grade

I was going to say! lol

Manga1 · 01-13-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

You, are an idiot.

Since you know it all... Are you familliar with the term "Escalation of Force"?

Student had a gun, and was waving it around enough to be considered dangerous.

Only a moron brings a knife to a gun fight.

You didn't answer my earlier question, should the police have let themselves get shot so that this idiot kid with a gun hopefully puts it down? You know, after running around with it, taking another student hostage, etc, etc...

Lets review the facts.

1. He did not have a hostage.
2. The campus was evacuated.
3. He was isolated in the restroom.

Since the police had time to isolate the kid and evacuate the campus, why couldn't they find time to wait him out? Why all of a sudden were they in such danger?

Manga1 · 01-13-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AcidMax

Now on to the story..if the kid pointed a gun at the police, another person etc., then this kid deserved to be shot. Sooner or later people need to take responsibility for their actions. If you point a gun at someone expect someone to take you down.

No 15 year old deserves to be shot.

AcidMax · 01-13-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Manga1

Lets review the facts.

1. He did not have a hostage.
2. The campus was evacuated.
3. He was isolated in the restroom.

Since the police had time to isolate the kid and evacuate the campus, why couldn't they find time to wait him out? Why all of a sudden were they in such danger?

News reports have also said he pointed the gun at the police. If that is the case, the police felt their life was in danger and took the kid out. Just because they are police officers doesn't mean they are not people. If someone was pointing a gun at you, and you had a pistol as well, would you shoot for the knee or go for a stun gun? Why would you expect the police who are here to protect the majority to do so?

AcidMax · 01-13-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Manga1

No 15 year old deserves to be shot.

If a 15 year old kid came up to me with a gun, or if my son/daughter was in that school with this idiot threatening people, he better die. If my kid died by his gun, I would take him out myself. You are concerned with 1 person (the 15 year old) and not the majority, ie., all the kids in the school, deputies, other adults in the area. One vs. Many. See ya kiddo.

reginaldo · 01-13-2006, 01:59 PM

that kid sucks at school shootings

Manga1 · 01-13-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AcidMax

If a 15 year old kid came up to me with a gun, or if my son/daughter was in that school with this idiot threatening people, he better die. If my kid died by his gun, I would take him out myself. You are concerned with 1 person (the 15 year old) and not the majority, ie., all the kids in the school, deputies, other adults in the area. One vs. Many. See ya kiddo.

No kid died by his gun. The kid never fired a shot. Not one shot. The cops didn't even know if it was a real gun or a toy gun.

Anthony · 01-13-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Manga1

Lets review the facts.

1. He did not have a hostage.
2. The campus was evacuated.
3. He was isolated in the restroom.

Since the police had time to isolate the kid and evacuate the campus, why couldn't they find time to wait him out? Why all of a sudden were they in such danger?

Sure as long as we are on facts.

Fact 1: He was asked repeatdly to lower his weapon. Why didn't he?
Fact 2: He was chased around the campus, still wielding the firearm. Why is he running?
Fact 3. He had his back to a wall, with no escape still with a firearm. At this point, he had a lose/lose situation, why did he not give up?
Fact 4. During this whole ordeal, it can be safely assumed that he was asked/commanded/told to drop his firearm and give up. He did not.
Fact 5. He raised his gun to shoot a police officer. Newton's 3rd Law of Motion... For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

He got shot. He had every chance to lay down his firearm. To give up.

How many chances do you think he needed before threating a deputy with death?

devilspost · 01-13-2006, 02:00 PM

Trigger happy cops. Just like the asshat pigs that run down families while the chase some half drunk driver. IDIOTS. the end.

xclusive · 01-13-2006, 02:00 PM

Sucks that shit like this happens but 15 year olds are not the same as they were even 10 years ago. A lot of them are stuck up punks and that's a fact.

jennym · 01-13-2006, 02:01 PM

He raised his gun, he got shot. I guess the police are supposed to wait until he fires and prevents one of them from going home to their families?? Nope.

A 14 year old was arrested for shooting and killing another teen here just 2 days ago. Some of those "kids" are fucking dangerous. If the cop felt his life was in danger, he should shoot. Period. If he doesn't, he endangers himself and his fellow officers.

AcidMax · 01-13-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Manga1

No kid died by his gun. The kid never fired a shot. Not one shot. The cops didn't even know if it was a real gun or a toy gun.

Did you know suicide was illegal? He threatened himself as well. The cops did what they were supposed to do. I don't care how you try to spin this, the cops were RIGHT in what they did. He ran after another child, locked him up in a closet, ran around campus with a firearm.

You honestly expect cops to ask him "OK kid, let me see that gun, I will give it back just need to make sure its not a toy!"

Give me a break, your reasoning is completely flawed and quite frankly for any person to be able to determine in this instance. Put yourself in the officers shoes and see if you can determine which gun is real or fake. I have seen some pretty fucking realistic toys, not to mention, what if its not and he pulls the trigger. Then he injured/killed someone else and his outcome is the same anyhow. Simple fact is he was disarmed, no one else is injured and he isn't dead yet, so we will see.

Manga1 · 01-13-2006, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Sure as long as we are on facts.

Fact 1: He was asked repeatdly to lower his weapon. Why didn't he?
Fact 2: He was chased around the campus, still wielding the firearm. Why is he running?
Fact 3. He had his back to a wall, with no escape still with a firearm. At this point, he had a lose/lose situation, why did he not give up?
Fact 4. During this whole ordeal, it can be safely assumed that he was asked/commanded/told to drop his firearm and give up. He did not.
Fact 5. He raised his gun to shoot a police officer. Newton's 3rd Law of Motion... For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

He got shot. He had every chance to lay down his firearm. To give up.

How many chances do you think he needed before threating a deputy with death?

I don't expect logic from a 15 year old with obvious psychological issues. I expect trained police officers who have time to secure and evacuate the school, and isolate the kid in a washroom, to take the necessary precautions required for a peaceful outcome. Even if they had to wait all week for the kid to give up. Why couldn't they? Where was the kid going to go?

MrChips · 01-13-2006, 02:11 PM

I hope the kid with the gun is dead - and not only that - I hope he died in fucking agony over a period of hours.

Fucker - taking a gun to school - die bastard.

SmokeyTheBear · 01-13-2006, 02:18 PM

what a bunch of idiots.. this sounds exactly like how they sniped saddam's sons..

I dont mind cops shooting ARMED people who are dangerous.. but if you have a person cornered , and surrounded, its impossible for them to hurt anyone but themselves.. they could have simply stood back and gassed the bathroom

SmokeyTheBear · 01-13-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MrChips

I hope the kid with the gun is dead - and not only that - I hope he died in fucking agony over a period of hours.

Fucker - taking a gun to school - die bastard.

it wasnt a gun it was a pellet gun..

BradM · 01-13-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

I'm a liberal who believes in gun ownership, and if someone was attempting to break into my house I hope I would have it in me to use deadly force.

I don't care if they actually made it into the house, I'd rather be on trial for killing that person on my porch rather than give him the opportunity to get inside at at my family.

Agreed 200%.
Can't trust anyone. I'll protect myself, friends and family with deadly force any day, and HAPPILY go to jail for killing some sick fuck if he ever did try anything. As far as my way of thinking goes, I saved more lives in the long run because the justice system will fail us and let that scum out on the street again to pull the same shit. So I'll take him down no problem. No regrets.

BradM · 01-13-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jennym

He raised his gun, he got shot. I guess the police are supposed to wait until he fires and prevents one of them from going home to their families?? Nope.

A 14 year old was arrested for shooting and killing another teen here just 2 days ago. Some of those "kids" are fucking dangerous. If the cop felt his life was in danger, he should shoot. Period. If he doesn't, he endangers himself and his fellow officers.

Exactly. If someone raised a gun at me I would shoot first and ask questions later. Who knows, maybe it was a toy. Am I going to wait to get shot in the chest to find out?

BradM · 01-13-2006, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

what a bunch of idiots.. this sounds exactly like how they sniped saddam's sons..

I dont mind cops shooting ARMED people who are dangerous.. but if you have a person cornered , and surrounded, its impossible for them to hurt anyone but themselves.. they could have simply stood back and gassed the bathroom

Kid was completely unstable. Maybe next time it would be a real gun. Let's be humane and let him try it again in 2 years then right?

OG LennyT · 01-13-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by artman

if u are 15 and still in 8th grade you deserve to get shot

hahahahahaha

bringer · 01-13-2006, 02:32 PM

fucking cops jumped the gun. they should of called in an expert

wedouglas · 01-13-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Fred Quimby

He must have been a mental midget to be 15 and still only in 8th grade

huh. no. some people are just older than others. has nothing to do with it

stev0 · 01-13-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fred Quimby

If you bring a gun to school you should expect the cops to put a cap in your ass.

Now all the fukin libs will come out against the bad SWAT team

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060113/...NlYwMlJVRPUCUl

What does perfering a left or right wing political system have to do with this? lol...

jennym · 01-13-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wedouglas

huh. no. some people are just older than others. has nothing to do with it

15 is still pretty old for junior high. My 11 year old is in j.h.

GlydeGirl · 01-13-2006, 03:23 PM

It's not the cops' fault.... it's the parents! If the parents did their job by paying attention to their kid, locking up their guns, and teaching their kid about proper behaviour, no cops would have to be involved in the first place.

A cop's job is to catch "bad guys". That 15 year old kid was behaving like a "bad guy" and was dealt with as such. Sure it's kinda sad that the kid was shot but if the parents did their job in the first place, the kid wouldn't be behaving like a "bad guy" and the cops wouldn't have had to even be there!

woj · 01-13-2006, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

No, I am considered "liberal," and I agree and have said so many times on this board.

Once you break the rules of this game we call life. And I mean things like run from cops, hit a cop while they attempt to arrest you, lead them on high speed chases, pull a gun etc..etc..then there really are no rules. The humans involved their sense of survival takes over, and whether the shooting is right or wrong, can and quite possibly will happen.

you may be right that the officer should not have shot you, but you may also be dead too.

I have not yet read the link, just wanted to reply to the blanket statement made against liberals.

yea, no kidding, the cop made a split second decision... the story could have just as easilly read "cop killed by a 15 year old"...

Matt 26z · 01-13-2006, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by artman

if u are 15 and still in 8th grade you deserve to get shot

In the US you turn 14 your 8th grade year. So one year older isn't that big of a deal.

dinkz · 01-13-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MaskTVMaura

It's not the cops' fault.... it's the parents! If the parents did their job by paying attention to their kid, locking up their guns, and teaching their kid about proper behaviour, no cops would have to be involved in the first place.

Matt 26z · 01-13-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MaskTVMaura

If the parents did their job by paying attention to their kid, locking up their guns, and teaching their kid about proper behaviour

The kid was suicidal. This isn't just bad behavior. Something was going on in his life that made him want to die and then he snapped. I think we will probably find out that the events leading up to this were not his fault.

BradM · 01-13-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

yea, no kidding, the cop made a split second decision... the story could have just as easilly read "cop killed by a 15 year old"...

Yep. Personally I'm glad the piece of shit was shot. Cop made the right move.

Fred Quimby · 01-13-2006, 06:46 PM

I must confess

I was the 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll

Anthony · 01-14-2006, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Exactly. If someone raised a gun at me I would shoot first and ask questions later. Who knows, maybe it was a toy. Am I going to wait to get shot in the chest to find out?

Better to be tried by 12, than carried by 6.

leggs · 01-14-2006, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Fred Quimby

If you bring a gun to school you should expect the cops to put a cap in your ass.

Now all the fukin libs will come out against the bad SWAT team

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060113/...NlYwMlJVRPUCUl

You americans really have issues with this "Liberal" vs. "Conservative" bullshit.

I wonder if in a thousand years if archealogists and anthropoligists will be able to dig up some homes and graves and say things like:

Ths home must have belonged to a conservative:

Please note the gun rack in the kitchen and statue of a singer called Elvis. (Whom is belived to still be alive)

And in this home we had a Liberal.

Take a look at the small baggies used to hold a herbal substance called "Pot" and the empty bottles of purple hair dye.

*******
Sorry but...
This is just a fucked up state of being.

Theo · 01-14-2006, 03:09 AM

if you belong to special forces like SWAT
any you have been prepared and trained to deal with such cases
and you have to shoot a 15y.old boy to protect yourself
then there's something wrong in the picture

either you were not trained properly or you didn't act like you supposed to act.

eroswebmaster · 01-14-2006, 03:11 AM

LOL Soul, what were they supposed to do, kung fu the gun out of his hand.

flashfire · 01-14-2006, 03:13 AM

who cares how old he is...he had a gun that by all indications was real, he pointed it at them and got shot...had it coming

15 year old can kill you with a gun as easy as anyone else

Anthony · 01-14-2006, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Not worth explaining to those who don't shoot.

But if you must...

"NO ONE PULLS OUT A GUN TO SIMPLY INJURE YOU"

Outside of Vietnam that is.

Worth repeating, imho.

Theo · 01-14-2006, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

LOL Soul, what were they supposed to do, kung fu the gun out of his hand.

read the story as reported by WP

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...011400292.html

and tell me that killing someone is the only option, because if that's so I don't see what's the point to spend millions to train policemen and buy them expensive equipment. Just hire gangs and will do the same. Police role is to preventing a crime, not committing a crime to avoid another.

Anthony · 01-14-2006, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

read the story as reported by WP

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...011400292.html

and tell me that killing someone is the only option, because if that's so I don't see what's the point to spend millions to train policemen and buy them expensive equipment. Just hire gangs and will do the same. Police role is to preventing a crime, not committing a crime to avoid another.

You live in a very strange world.

SomeCreep · 01-14-2006, 03:27 AM

The SWAT team dont fuck around

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jennym Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: the south Posts: 1,622	He raised his gun, he got shot. I guess the police are supposed to wait until he fires and prevents one of them from going home to their families?? Nope. A 14 year old was arrested for shooting and killing another teen here just 2 days ago. Some of those "kids" are fucking dangerous. If the cop felt his life was in danger, he should shoot. Period. If he doesn't, he endangers himself and his fellow officers.

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MrChips Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,504	I hope the kid with the gun is dead - and not only that - I hope he died in fucking agony over a period of hours. Fucker - taking a gun to school - die bastard.

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GlydeGirl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,516	It's not the cops' fault.... it's the parents! If the parents did their job by paying attention to their kid, locking up their guns, and teaching their kid about proper behaviour, no cops would have to be involved in the first place. A cop's job is to catch "bad guys". That 15 year old kid was behaving like a "bad guy" and was dealt with as such. Sure it's kinda sad that the kid was shot but if the parents did their job in the first place, the kid wouldn't be behaving like a "bad guy" and the cops wouldn't have had to even be there!

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