They are the cops. They are the ones who should be trained on how to difuse these situations. Obviously their training was no match for a 15 year old kid.

Let me guess, the only times you've ever spoken to a cop was right after you broke the law?

Couldn't the police have waited it out, use a negotiator, used tear gas or pepper spray, or maybe even a Taser?

I mean, come on, he was a 15 year old kid, probably just trying to impress a fellow classmate.

It seems like the police used excessive force since no other injuries or deaths were reported, but I would like to know more facts.

I'm sure I know a lot more cops than you dude. Funny how most cops I know take pride in the fact that they've never had to shoot someone. Unlike you who says, "If you bring a gun to school you should expect the cops to put a cap in your ass."

A cap in your ass? Are you trying to be cool or something talking like that?

Someone should raise a firearm at you for your stupidity. Maybe you could throw a rock and knock it out of their hand before they have time to pull the trigger.

Kids with guns are dangerous -- they're full of rampaging hormones, they like to rebel against authority, and they think they're invincible. Knowing that, how else was the stand-off supposed to end?

The only way to have prevented this was not for the cops to have done something different, but for the kid's parents to have kept the gun locked up away from him in the first place. Policing is not a substitute for parenting!

I think the article mentioned he at first took a hostage and then fled across campus.

This was a situation that was out of control and had to be rectified quickly.

Rock throwing is only used by Newfie cops. Ever hear of tear gas, or a taser?

The article says:

"The alleged gunman told one of the students to go into a closet, ran from the classroom and "traveled with this firearm throughout the campus," Eslinger said. Deputies eventually isolated him in a restroom, and the school was evacuated."

They isolated him in a restroom. The campus was evacuated. How was the situation out of control?

You are really dumb. How about this, you give me a pistol and I'll give you a taser. Let's see who wins.

P.S. since you are such friends with cops perhaps you should ask them to explain why your logic on the subject is equivelant to that of a retard.

51 crazy shit :(

You, are an idiot.

Since you know it all... Are you familliar with the term "Escalation of Force"?

Student had a gun, and was waving it around enough to be considered dangerous.

Only a moron brings a knife to a gun fight.

You didn't answer my earlier question, should the police have let themselves get shot so that this idiot kid with a gun hopefully puts it down? You know, after running around with it, taking another student hostage, etc, etc...

Um I think Fred Quimby is a Fire Chief in his area, so I really doubt you know more cops than him. Being a firefighter myself, we work really closely with the local law enforcement, so unless you know A LOT of cops, I would think that statement is probably not true.

Now on to the story..if the kid pointed a gun at the police, another person etc., then this kid deserved to be shot. Sooner or later people need to take responsibility for their actions. If you point a gun at someone expect someone to take you down.

That sucks. But still if you bring a gun to school and you aim it at somebody WTF do you expect?

I was going to say! lol

Lets review the facts.

1. He did not have a hostage.
2. The campus was evacuated.
3. He was isolated in the restroom.

Since the police had time to isolate the kid and evacuate the campus, why couldn't they find time to wait him out? Why all of a sudden were they in such danger?

No 15 year old deserves to be shot.

News reports have also said he pointed the gun at the police. If that is the case, the police felt their life was in danger and took the kid out. Just because they are police officers doesn't mean they are not people. If someone was pointing a gun at you, and you had a pistol as well, would you shoot for the knee or go for a stun gun? Why would you expect the police who are here to protect the majority to do so?

If a 15 year old kid came up to me with a gun, or if my son/daughter was in that school with this idiot threatening people, he better die. If my kid died by his gun, I would take him out myself. You are concerned with 1 person (the 15 year old) and not the majority, ie., all the kids in the school, deputies, other adults in the area. One vs. Many. See ya kiddo.

that kid sucks at school shootings

No kid died by his gun. The kid never fired a shot. Not one shot. The cops didn't even know if it was a real gun or a toy gun.

Sure as long as we are on facts.

Fact 1: He was asked repeatdly to lower his weapon. Why didn't he?
Fact 2: He was chased around the campus, still wielding the firearm. Why is he running?
Fact 3. He had his back to a wall, with no escape still with a firearm. At this point, he had a lose/lose situation, why did he not give up?
Fact 4. During this whole ordeal, it can be safely assumed that he was asked/commanded/told to drop his firearm and give up. He did not.
Fact 5. He raised his gun to shoot a police officer. Newton's 3rd Law of Motion... For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

He got shot. He had every chance to lay down his firearm. To give up.

How many chances do you think he needed before threating a deputy with death?

Trigger happy cops. Just like the asshat pigs that run down families while the chase some half drunk driver. IDIOTS. the end.

Sucks that shit like this happens but 15 year olds are not the same as they were even 10 years ago. A lot of them are stuck up punks and that's a fact.

He raised his gun, he got shot. I guess the police are supposed to wait until he fires and prevents one of them from going home to their families?? Nope.

A 14 year old was arrested for shooting and killing another teen here just 2 days ago. Some of those "kids" are fucking dangerous. If the cop felt his life was in danger, he should shoot. Period. If he doesn't, he endangers himself and his fellow officers.

Did you know suicide was illegal? He threatened himself as well. The cops did what they were supposed to do. I don't care how you try to spin this, the cops were RIGHT in what they did. He ran after another child, locked him up in a closet, ran around campus with a firearm.

You honestly expect cops to ask him "OK kid, let me see that gun, I will give it back just need to make sure its not a toy!"

Give me a break, your reasoning is completely flawed and quite frankly for any person to be able to determine in this instance. Put yourself in the officers shoes and see if you can determine which gun is real or fake. I have seen some pretty fucking realistic toys, not to mention, what if its not and he pulls the trigger. Then he injured/killed someone else and his outcome is the same anyhow. Simple fact is he was disarmed, no one else is injured and he isn't dead yet, so we will see.

I don't expect logic from a 15 year old with obvious psychological issues. I expect trained police officers who have time to secure and evacuate the school, and isolate the kid in a washroom, to take the necessary precautions required for a peaceful outcome. Even if they had to wait all week for the kid to give up. Why couldn't they? Where was the kid going to go?

I hope the kid with the gun is dead - and not only that - I hope he died in fucking agony over a period of hours.

Fucker - taking a gun to school - die bastard.

what a bunch of idiots.. this sounds exactly like how they sniped saddam's sons..

I dont mind cops shooting ARMED people who are dangerous.. but if you have a person cornered , and surrounded, its impossible for them to hurt anyone but themselves.. they could have simply stood back and gassed the bathroom

it wasnt a gun it was a pellet gun..

Agreed 200%.
Can't trust anyone. I'll protect myself, friends and family with deadly force any day, and HAPPILY go to jail for killing some sick fuck if he ever did try anything. As far as my way of thinking goes, I saved more lives in the long run because the justice system will fail us and let that scum out on the street again to pull the same shit. So I'll take him down no problem. No regrets.

Exactly. If someone raised a gun at me I would shoot first and ask questions later. Who knows, maybe it was a toy. Am I going to wait to get shot in the chest to find out?

Kid was completely unstable. Maybe next time it would be a real gun. Let's be humane and let him try it again in 2 years then right?

hahahahahaha :1orglaugh

fucking cops jumped the gun. they should of called in an expert
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huh. no. some people are just older than others. has nothing to do with it

What does perfering a left or right wing political system have to do with this? lol...

15 is still pretty old for junior high. My 11 year old is in j.h.

It's not the cops' fault.... it's the parents! If the parents did their job by paying attention to their kid, locking up their guns, and teaching their kid about proper behaviour, no cops would have to be involved in the first place.

A cop's job is to catch "bad guys". That 15 year old kid was behaving like a "bad guy" and was dealt with as such. Sure it's kinda sad that the kid was shot but if the parents did their job in the first place, the kid wouldn't be behaving like a "bad guy" and the cops wouldn't have had to even be there!

yea, no kidding, the cop made a split second decision... the story could have just as easilly read "cop killed by a 15 year old"...