Its good to see people take action. *two thumbs up*

i was injured by just reading this thread can i sue because of that?

Scottie - You are misinformed. The old owners of iBill are the current owners of iBill. There was no change in ownership, just a reverse merger. Stock moved from one company to another, but the same people hold the stock.

The people at SegPay had nothing to do with the money not being paid by iBill. You should really know your facts before you come on here and trash a company like that.

You are misinformed Scottie. There are former ibill employees here at SegPay - none of which had previous ownership in ibill. We all left due to the mis management of the current owners (IBD and PHSL). I am hitting you up on ICQ now if you would like to chat about it more.

If im not mistaken he was given this info from an ibill rep.....

Aside from that the bottom line is something needs to be done and taking action is the first step in the right direction.

Isn't the first payment supposed to be this March? Why not wait until we see if they follow thru with that, then start the lawsuit?

your sig is fucking awesome... didn't notice the whole thing til now.. ha ha ha, that'll teach that fucker.

100% correct MacD! :thumbsup

iBill is iBill irrespective of the paper shuffling.

It's obvious certain sources of information are unreliable PB and this type of stuff really needs checking out before making claims.

It is useful to know exactly who action is supposed to be taken against and they remain the same parties, - companies and individuals, - who are shareholders, "consultants", corporate officers and vague "hangers on". MacDaddyPlaya is correct in the invention of "new owners" - that's just corporate abuse, semantics and paper-shuffling.

If that is true, then i'm sorry for bringing SEGPAY into this whole thing. That was just the information I was given by 2 seperate individuals. My appologies if this is not correct.

I totally understand that i was just backing up apples :-)

There is sooooooooo much we dont know about ibill and the people behind it. Getting something like a class action lawsuit will help us get the correct information and a step in getting people paid. :upsidedow

suprised nobody has hired some thugs to hand out pistol-whippings

I am all for taking action. You just need to make sure you verify your facts before you come on here and shit on someone.

I totally appreciate you backing up your man Barbie, but he was misinformed. Just glad we were able to straighten it out. Just another dose of bullshit from the good people at iBill.

Get quick guys, the wolves are out... http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/2/11/16207/9517 .

I'm involved in a big lawsuit (business but not web related) so make sure you know you can get dollars from the persons or company you are suing.

Lyn

Shit happens and i dont have my heart set on SEGPAY being ex owners of ibill. :winkwink:

as i was trying to state.... We as a community need facts and correct information its a shame what has happend to ibill and something needs to be done IS the bottom line.

Between ibill and 2257 regulation changes this is a time for the webmaster community to stick together and help each other out. Thank you for pointing out we were told wrong. BUT back to the main issue is people need to get paid!

AMEN! :thumbsup

That's an old article by Lawrence Kiminski, but you have a valid point in that other events can overtake any class action being proposed.

There are serious issues with iBill.. and others who have participated in certain positions/ Irrespective of the future existance of iBill, these folks need to be pursued. They have done considerable damage to many people all round - and not just within iBill as a company - and to values in excess of any value placed in iBill in it's heyday.

I can understand that none of the employees had previous "ownership" of IBILL , but what i find ironic is that your Using INTECA wich happens to be the same Company IBILL/IBD is currently using to fund GKARD payments? When IBILL/GKARd does decide to pay the wires are from "INTECA"..Maybe this is where the confusion over the IBILL/SEGPAY connection is coming from?Maybe its the Chris Williams connection is he in anyway a part of SEGPAY ? Maybe you can help explain these connections? :helpme


Taken From SEGPAY.com : About SegPay

SegPay is a wholly owned subsidiary of Toccata Ltd, a U.K. financial services company. SegPay is an entirely new way for webmasters to view their payment security on the Internet. The traditional IPSP typically held client funds for up to one month before releasing to their clients for payout. Under the SegPay model, all client funds are held by the bank until the time of payout. SegPay has contracted with Inteca " (www.inteca.org) " :warning to provide a third party audit function on client funds owed as well as facilitate the release of these funds. This way, merchants can sleep at night knowing that their funds are safe and will be paid.

[QUOTE=Booger]I can understand that none of the employees had previous "ownership" of IBILL , but what i find ironic is that your Using INTECA wich happens to be the same Company IBILL/IBD is currently using to fund GKARD payments? When IBILL/GKARd does decide to pay the wires are from "INTECA"..Maybe this is where the confusion over the IBILL/SEGPAY connection is coming from?Maybe its the Chris Williams connection is he in anyway a part of SEGPAY ? Maybe you can help explain these connections? :helpme [QUOTE=Booger]


Booger ~

SegPay does use Inteca, which is a non profit organization. It is correct iBill Europe?s processor used Inteca to settle with iBill EU merchants. Inteca does not facilitate gkard or iBill US payments and never has. iBill chose not to continue their EU merchant processing relationship and therefore their relationship with Inteca ended. Inteca continued to make payments on all outstanding reserves that were due to the iBill EU merchants even after the relationship ended. It is my understanding that gkard payments are being paid by Symmetrix.

Feel free to contact me directly with any other questions! :thumbsup

Count me in, IM owed about $10K to 15K. Please post here on how I can reach you

see sig for contact info.

This ship sailed a long time ago folks.

Sure you can go to court and win a judgement....it's an open and shut case.
However if the company doesn't have the money to pay you, you'll never see a cent.
If the piece of paper the judgement is written on makes you feel better then fine, because that's all you're going to get. You're standing at the back of a very long line of people waiting to collect money, and they all hold one of those nifty pieces of paper that has the word judgement on it also.

That piece of paper and 3.50 will get you a latte at starbucks.

believe it or not, plenty of people were paid in full. the trick was to sue the first week it happened.

Duke

Most people just like to complain:1orglaugh

This is a very interesting thread wonder how it plays out..

Good luck :thumbsup

bump for scottie.

Count me in. I will look for you on icq, my email addy is [email protected] They owe me in the neighborhood of 20k. If I see any of it without throwing good money after bad, I'd be thrilled. :-)

Cheyenne

Aren't they still in business and even announcing new products? Maybe they don't have the money to pay everyone they owe but how are they staying in business?

Cheyenne

Gimme my money

bump it up

Goto this link

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/572844-demend-heard.html

here's a bump.

class action law suit?
ibill owes us money.
lets get another judgment against them so the courts will force them into bankruptcy and hopefully put them out of business.
i am glad this makes sence to all of you.
or how about this one:
lets tell every one to stop sending ibill traffic so they cant make any money and they will go out of busines.they owe us lots of money.
i love reading these boards,makes me wonder why i go to work every day.
lets all get together and closs ibill.
they owe us money........
it's not to hard to find the people who spent your money.they aint at ibill anymore.
i just cant understand why the current owners are trying to save a business that the majority of the people that they are tring to pay off are working so hard to shut them down.
i hope you people get all of your hard earned money,and believe it or not so do the current owners of ibill.

Another iBill shill? Know your facts before you come on here and spout that shit. The current owners are indeed the people who spent the money. Ownership never changed. Stock moved back and forth but the people holding the paper is the same. Yeah on paper IBDI now owns iBill, but take a look at who owns IBDI.

the neverending story - sigh!

good outlook!


some is better then none

Back in the early 80s I worked for my father's contracting company for a few summers. One summer he was sub-contracted by another local contractor to refurbish some offices in an old aluminum smelter. We spent two weeks completing the job...under the shittiest working conditions you can't even imagine. Every day was hell whenever they fired up the big smelting furnaces and filled the air in the plant with smoke for hours.

I still remember the day the contractor showed up on the job site in his truck, and casually mentioned to us about the four new tires he'd just bought for his Chev pickup. He had us come outside to check'em out even, while proudly mentioning they cost him about $1,200 bucks.

After finishing the work, we submitted a bill to the contractor. A month went by before we received a letter from the guy, stating that he wouldn't be able to pay us...since he never got paid by the owner of the smelter.

We attempted several times to get the money from him after that, with no luck. So we went to Small Claims court and filed against him. The clerk told us, "Good luck, get in line. There's at least a dozen other sub-contractors like yourselves waiting to collect from this guy. He's a real deadbeat." Nonetheless, we put a garnishee on his bank accounts - but only ever ended up collecting about $200 out of the $2,800 he owed us after about a year.

A few years went by and we mostly forgot about the issue. Until one day I saw him driving around town in his pickup truck. I watched from across the street as he pulled in to the local grocery store parking lot, park his truck...and make his way in to the store. I was with my brother-in-law at the time in his pickup truck - so I asked to borrow the buckknife that I knew he always carried on his belt. With the knife in my jacket pocket, I walked across the street to the grocery store parking lot, walked up the the contractor's truck...and proceeded to put the buckknife into the sidewall of all four of his truck tires...lowering the entire truck to the ground on its rims. It was the middle of the afternoon, with a few customers scattered around the parking lot - but I didn't care. No one seemed to notice, and if they did...they didn't say anything.

So with regards to iBill. It may take years...but eventually some sort of justice will hopefully be served...by someone...sometime, in one form or another. People have long memories.

There will always be opportunities.

I'm a firm believer in 'what goes around...eventually comes around.'

Well put Knight. To quote a great movie, "The universe tends to unfold as it should."

Bump and sig spot.

the industry doesn't work like that - well at least not any more - but this is exactly why IBill and those like them get away with shit like this, the industry is too busy pissing on each other than forming a coalition against those that do it wrong. I am happy to see this - standing together to fight for what is right. Ibill has gone on long enough thinking webmasters are idiots that will believe everything and anything written on the net by lying and making excuses. They don't have to deal with us face to face until they see court doc's in front of them.

It amazes me that trolls like this are even allowed to live, there parents should have stamped on them at birth.
Its already been established by Mac Daddy that Iball's new owners are the same as the old owners hidden under a different corporate umbrella, Any monies paid out to Iball's by First Data has gone or is being used to keep Iball's personnel paid while they fleece more money from hard working webmasters and sponsors. Why the fuck should we be expected to send Iball's joins just to keep their scam alive, they want us to support them after its been proven time after time they are stealing from us. It shows extremely poor management skills for them to reopen Iball's without any idea how they are going to pay back the millions illegally withheld from webmasters. Did they really think webmasters would do this for them ? that is so naive.

The only people to have gotten serious money from Iball's are those that went after them when they stopped paying in September 2004 . A number of those people where also posting on GFY about how great Iball's was while secretly suing them ( after all if they made it public they where taking legal action every one would jump on the band wagon and there would be little left to pay them ?) Unless Iball's gets a huge injection of cash and pays out every last cent owing to webmasters by March 15th, when corporate taxes returns are due, i don't see them staying in business after that date..

We would be interested in coming aboard !!

Your understanding is incorrect. The owners of Segpay also have an interest in a company named Toccata. Toccata negotiated with the banks on IBill's behalf in order to get what little funds released that have been released.

Some of the people that used to WORK for Ibill now work for Segpay, but not the owners. As for the people that used to work for Ibill and now work at Segpay, this is not their fault. They lost their jobs, and they needed new jobs. They know the billing side of the industry so they stayed in the fields that they knew.

You are wrong about SegPay, they are good people over there.:2 cents:

Agree sperbonzo! :thumbsup

Don't do this often, but will with the people in and behind Segpay/Toccata. Their background and track record speaks for itself and they are honorable people.

At least one of whom went further than anyone could expect an individual to do and took the effort and time to extracate many webmasters from iBill and see they got paid. I'll raise my hat to anyone willing to go to these lengths and no question of dealing with folks like that in business.

Absolutely correct. Nice post, just cause someone once worked for iBill doesn't mean they were part of why what happened did. There are a lot of really good ex-iBillers who were there from the start and truly understand the billing business yet had no fault in the downfall. I should know, as I am one of them :)

Thanks Webby!!! I am still waiting for my ICQ chat :winkwink: 234-382-798

bump time again

This should teach everyone one thing... you CANNOT beat the reliability and history of...

www.CCBILL.com


:thumbsup

Starting on April 1 2006, clients using IBILL will be lining up to join this lawsuit. I say April 1 because every webmaster owed money by IBILL is waiting for them to pay on March 29 as promsied.

MESSAGE TO THE ASSHOLES AT IBILL: If you dont pay us on March 29 what you promised us last year, we will put you out of business by May 1.

I think it is about time to put this dying, suffering dog to sleep.

Let's get this thing going...They owe us $10,000 +
We need to find about eight willing participates

the only people who win in class action suits are the lawyers .