Once you mean and I would call it "kicked his ass" when he was saved by the bell in round 1... but fedor kick minotauro ass twice... literally. :winkwink:

Maybe 10 years ago... But MMA has moved on... Strikers nowadays know how to deal with ground fighters... I love how people have this idea that BJJ is unbeatable...

If you ask me Crocop kicked his arse in that fight... Minotauro was great in submitting him...

Can't wait for it, sooooo many good fights. :thumbsup

Getting stood back up if there's no submission in 30 seconds makes it a little easier for them to deal with groundfighters I think.... but yes, strikers are all smart enough to train on the ground enough to deal with being on the ground now, at least long enough to get stood back up by the ref. Cro is extremely difficult to get down, so is Chuck Liddell.

:2 cents:

This upcoming Pride will be a killer event!

Some of the middle weight, even lighter weights could beat the bigger guys. Maybe not dominate them, but they would damn sure win. Weight & size do make a difference, but when both are skilled it?s going to depend on who gets whom first. Even though the big guys have superior power, they flat don?t have the speed or agility of the smaller guys, making them just as badass.

Not all world top ranked fighters are the size of a house.

Military boxing, shoot fighting, etc, often mix weight classes. Small Military Bases go head to head, they may not be able to make all the weight classes, so they mix it up. Schools sometimes do the same thing. Quite often the lower weight class guys would beat much larger guys. They are trained, maybe not the level of WFC fighters, but trained enough to represent the USMC. Big guys, with skill, can and have been put down by much smaller guys.

The largest asset of the guys, besides being trained, is the frame of mind they are in while fighting. Hence why size isn?t that big of a deal. Clear mind, full attack mode but under control, with adrenalin under control, allows you to attack and defend properly. As soon as that concentration is broken, from a punch, kick, or whatever else, normally that is when the fight will end.

I used BJJ as an example, but it is good rule to follow in any fight, whether MMA, Boxing, Muay Thai, etc.

If experience and training is even, and the same, the bigger, stronger figter will always win.

BJJ groundgame was unbeatable. That's why Cro Cop has a BJJ coach, Wanderlai Silva got a BJJ Black Belt, Couture learned it after gettng subbed by Enson, Liddell is a purple, and the list goes on and on.

Not all strikers know how to deal with the ground game, That's why it's called MIXED Martial Arts. MMA fighters have a rounded game, stikers get their asses handed to them.

Yeppers it's totally different and way more exciting.

50 mirko cop cop fight videos

All that fighters are crack whores. Sem Schilt is the best. 212cm long and K1 winner!

http://www.talpa.tv/web/show/id=7181...peofpage=51230

BAHAHAHA... You idiot Semmy Schilt got rorted by MMA fighters like Barnett and Kharitonov...

I would argue that you've never seen the best strikers competing in any MMA. For a BJJ trained fighter, Pride and UFC etc are excellent professional opportunities. For a really talented striker, this just isn't true. Why would anybody compete in any MMA event when they have the option of Million Dollar prize fights in Vegas?

For example, a young Royce Gracie might be able to tap out a 19 year old Mike Tyson 9 out of 10 times. Being hit with an uppercut from Tyson in bag gloves that 1 time would probably remove Gracie's head from his shoulders, however. :winkwink:

Royce Gracie has challenged Tyson to fight during his prime.

Never accepted.

His father chalenged the Brown Bomber, Louis, again, never accepted.

Have you ever watched any of the Gracie In Action Tapes or DVD's? Pretty interesting to see what happens to strikers. Hell UFC 1 to 5, LOL.

Might as well bring up Shilt's wins as the best in K1, who gets owned in MMA.

I'm just saying, the best boxers of their time never competed in UFC 1 to anything. There's no reason to compete risking more for a payday that's not even on the radar for them.

That was fun watching

Is this true? That's awesome

More like, a lose/lose situation.

in MMA he got his ass whoped by fedor :winkwink: :1orglaugh

Show me some vids than?

If there were any marketable heavyweights out there I'd bet they could get a big payday against a "name" MMA fighter. But I see your point, it's definetly a lose-lose as they will lose ... the match, a few teeth, etc. ;)

Seriously, a guy like Fedor strikes so fast I'd think he wouldn't be outclassed against a boxer in his weight class with pure boxing rules. Maybe I'm out to lunch but don't some of these guys work on sparring about as much as pro boxers?

Check out google video search, theres tones of clips there :thumbsup

http://www.pridefc.com/pride2004/index_e.htm

What are your picks for tomorrow? So many great fights

nice well informed posts by most i must say...

as far as who is the best fighters... that is a hard one to truly get to the bottom of... there are those who are in the top elite category... but it depends on whos' day it is more often than not when it comes to fighters this good... either can win, at anytime...

i for one have lost to guys that i should not have lost to... it happens... things like being overtrained too close to fight time can drain you on fight day...

ever watch a fighter who is known for his conditioning and stamina get winded early on into a fight?

things like the wrong foods at the wrong time, overtraining, dehydration, not getting the proper rest before a fight... they all can add up to having a very bad day in the cage/ring... so it can be anyones game when ya got two guys as good as most of the ones mentioned in this thread...

You also have to take into account the fact that boxing gloves changes EVERYTHING. You can't just parry and block punches all night long with MMA gloves, they're small and they punch right thru your high guard and you go to sleep a lot easier with the MMA gloves. Plus you can't bend at the waist to slip punches because you'll immediately eat a knee, and you can't clinch because you'll get taken down.

Boxing is very nearly a seperate science altogether from punching in MMA, as several pro boxers have already found out. A prime Mike Tyson is a potent offensive force no matter how big the gloves are, but his defense would be non-existent and if he gets taken down he's done, and he WOULD get taken down super super quick.

Boxing is more fun to watch, I'm a HUGE boxing fan, and the best boxers have an insanely high level of skill, handspeed and punching power, but it's a different skillset altogether from MMA style striking.

Arlovski is still my favorite hehe...damn he's impressive...and well-rounded


that victory over Paul Buentello was just sooooo quick LOL

cro crop is impressive.. are there more vids?

Btw.. Cro cop lost to Mark Hunt on new years eve...

Like a bitch too, turning his back on him, running away.

vid plz..

CroCop really needs a break... Last 3 fights he's looked so jaded...

What about Matt Hughes? He hasn't even come close to losing in the last several years. Best MMA fighter hands down.

little evil!!! :thumbsup