if you drink till you puke, even if it's on occasion - that means you have a problem.

puking is your body's way of telling you that you drank more than your body can safly handle and you have to puke to save your life as if you process the rest of what is inside you you will die.

drinking and puking means you have a drinking prolem.

thats funny :thumbsup

LOL I know much more people that have been drinking for 10+ years, with "some" excess from time to time, without having any further problems, than I know alcoholics...

Are saying that if the guy is drinking he will probably become an alcoholic within 10 years??? Might not be your point, but thats how I understand it...

Hal ...thank you!

You and Tassy have a merry Xmas!

this might be the part that Hal was talking about:

Originally Posted by jasonir
Sleazy I drink on occasion and I puke on occasion


Normal every day drinking...dont think that includes "pukeing"...lol


Hey ..i am going to have this very expensive dinner and a nice bottle of wine ...with my wife or girlfriend...then i am going to puke.... :eek7

Like the drug addicts who want the people around them to be addicted, it seems the reformed alcoholics think everyone who drinks should believe they have a problem.

Just sayin.

:thumbsup :helpme :thumbsup

LOL well I will agree that if puking is part of your drinking routine, you have a problem haha ;)

on the other hand, most people I know have already been sick from alcohol!...just...not on a regular basis LOL

i'm still drinking BUT - i try and not drink till i puke. not saying it hasn't happened. but i have NO PLANS of it ever happening again. when it has happened it happened by accident - with hard stuff - and i didn't realized the volume consumed. - to plan to drink till one pukes - to plan to drink again and know it will be to the point where one pukes - shows a problem.

it doesn't take a reformed alcoholic to see that.

Nawww man you missed the boat...all together.....


Its more like this...misery loves company...while you puke next time, look up at who is around you at that moment...lol


I am at most webmaster shows, i dont ever tell anyone what they should do, etc....i would rather see everyone party, this way its fun to me, cause i know i have the 150% advantage over them, drunk and hung over..i own your ass....its biz baby, end of the day...we are here to make the money!

If I thought someone seriously needed to go to Betty Ford, NA, AA or whatever, I probably wouldn't name them because I wouldn't want to embarass them. If the person seriously had a problem, I would confront them in private and try to lead them toward some help rather than calling them out in public. Am I being too soft?

Although if they started throwing things off the balcony at shows and what not, I might have to slap them around a bit.

It's the same with me man, drinking at a bar, going home with some friends, and not realizing how heavy I'm pouring. It's definitely not a regular occurence and it's definitely something I try to avoid. I think I'll go out and buy myself some measured pourers ;)

now that's twisted - almost as twisted as the GHB that I plan on putting in your pop next show

I'm sorry, but I usually go with the standard de facto.
Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

Anyhow good night guys... and always remember... everything in moderation

Good one!

Hey everyone have a very safe holiday, it was fun, i am heading to bed, or Santa wont come...lol

Words to live by:

"everything in moderation"

Everything but crack, heroin, meth, unprotected sex with HIV infected hookers... thought terminating cliché?s should be frowned upon, not propped up on a pillar.

Merry Christmas :kisskiss

Did I also forget to mention I don't cater to the lowest common denominator? Granted it's still blatently obvious that not everyone got their fair share of common sense, I'll leave the catoring up to a capable mediator like yourself!

Friends, breathing should not be done in moderation. Breathe as much as you like.

(Alright, this has been beaten to death. :1orglaugh )

I came into this thread looking for fun and frivolity...WTF? Did someone hijacked this thread. ; )

same here and now I need a drink so I can forget I may have a drinking problem....

well I am going to submit a name...well ok I don;t have his name...but it is that guy that AaronM beat up in San Diego

I spent about 6 years in AA. Didnt drink or do any drugs at all for about 9. Then I figured it out. I really didnt have a drinking problem. My life was just fucked up. Alcohol was a factor but it wasnt the big thing I thought it was.

So once you figured that out, did you go back to drinking in moderation or did you still shun all alcohol?

I smoke a little and ive had about a case of beer (all but one of which was in Holland 2 summers ago lol) I can take it or leave it, really

Cool. I asked because most hardcore 12 step people say that you are never cured and can never take a drink etc. again without completely falling off the wagon and becoming a raving drunk/druggie. I've always disagreed, so its interesting to hear a real person's perspective.

jimthefiend

I dont think I was ever hardcore. But I did the 90 in 90 thing when I was first sober, went to shitloads of meetings, gave my story countless times at speaker meetings, sponsored new drunks in the program, hell even worked in a treatment center for over a year. And a few of the real hardcore drunks I worked wuth are still sober years later. Thing that turned me off to AA really was the fact that I saw people with 10+ years sober going to the same meetings day after day and week after week talking about the same problems in life that they couldnt solve. Poooooooooooor poooooooooor me. If you can figure it out after all that time take a fucking drink :1orglaugh

I didn't beat anybody up.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

Indeed :1orglaugh

Fuck drinking, i hate that shit.

I only smoke weed baby!! :thumbsup

i don't drink at all... (at least no water!) :D lol!

It's about fuckin time you called somebody an idiot.


I think the twelve step program is a bunch or bullshit and contradicts itself! In the end only you can solve your drinking problem.. Yeah, help along the way may make a lot of sense. Often there is a reason that is driving you to drink. Depression is one of those reasons.

So a big answers to getting over it would be to solve the underlying problems. Going to a 30 day dry-out center also makes sense. Some of those places are fucked up and are there to just push religion down peoples throat which they drop over time anyway and then it may be back to drinking.

If you have a drinking problem now and get over it, you will be a different person in the end. This often means the end of relationships and friendships. "You just ain't as much fun since you stopped drinking".

Drunk or sober, Merry Christmas to all who celebrate it.

Not I. I haven't touched alcohol in ages. My business gives me all the buzz and excitement I need :)

Anyone with a disorder needs to take responsibility for themselves.

Addicts are not born with a beer bottle, shot glass, syringe, pipe or straw in their hands. They may be predisposed to their condition due to hereditary or environment. But, the addict must seek that to which they are addicted.

Addiction is a disorder, not a disease. Addiction may cause disease. Addicts using needles may contract infections or AIDS. Addiction to alcohol can cause liver diseases. Addiction to amphetamines can cause malnutrition and weight loss. Tobacco addiction may cause cancer. Addiction to food can make you a fat ass.

All disease is not caused by addiction. All addicts do not contract diseases. But, many do because they are unable to make the decision to quit before they cause themselves damage.

Addiction is a serious problem for the individual that needs to be addressed - the drunk driver who kills, the junkie who steals to support their habit - before it becomes a societal problem.

"due to hereditary or environment" should be "due to hereditary or environmental factors".

It`s not about pointing a finger and say who needs to stop drinking its about people looking at themselfs and be happy with whom they see. Sometime changes needs to be done in someones life but THEY will be the only one that will be able to make those changes.

There;s many addiction that destroy a persons moral and health. Drugs, Alcohol, Food, Sex, Gambling, Violence... Hell I think on this board the biggest addiction is finger pointing and gossiping, wonder if there`s any meetings for that ;-)

I made recent decision in my life and I can tell you my friend I could not be a happier man.

Merry Xmas day everybody, have fun be safe and tell someone you love them, for hate is probably the worst shit feeling in the world. Leave your garbage and hatred towards others where it should be, on the curb with the rest of the shit to be picked up and brought to the dump.

I do probably drink too much, other than me, I think AMP is a good pick ;)

AHAHAha! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

It's an addiction, not a disease. Some people are obviously more predisposed to becoming addicted than others. In the end it's a choice which is why things like AA work for some people. It provides them with an environment that discourages the addictive behavior.

I haven't touched a drink in over 7 months. Not my liver, but other things inside me started to go crazy like my pancreas and I could not keep down food the day after drinking. Its not just your liver or your mind it affects, it gets much worse.

And I feel better than ever. Its very difficult to get over the hump, but after about a month or two you realize how much time you lose drinking. My mind is clear and I don't have any issues dealing with things I need to.

But I don't preach, its just a personal choice. I used to drink a lot for my size. Often a case of beer a week and I am under 125 pounds, and that was when I cut back. I feel healthier, more energy, and my body functions much better now in general. But you have to want it, its not something that anyone can convince you to do. I drank heavily from about 18-30 and I only drank to get wasted. So its like my drink tickets ran out, and I have more important things to tend to now in my life anyways.

Oh yeah, and I also did the math. If I drank once a week, and took the next day off, thats two days a week. Four times a month/8 days, over three months is 24 days. So in 90 days time I was wasting 24 days, which is close to 30% of my life. And again, that was only drinking once a week. Twice a week doubles all those numbers. And being sober all the time, my productivity when working has easily gone up at least 30%.

I have turned my efforts elsewhere, and love business more than ever. I've been wasted so much in my time its not like I can't remember the feeling anyways. :)

and Merry Xmas Sleazy. :pimp

working, working, working :Oh crap

like it was the most important thing that mattered in life

time and energy "saved" with non drinking could be spent on so many different things ( hobbies etc ) and you chose to spend it on work

ah well, everyone is free and makes the choices he(she) wants

Merry Xmas

if you start a post like this you have a problem and it has been on your mind

Wrong. And you choose to make negative assumptions and reply to people on a message board which is a waste of time too. Welcome back. :)

Working better I have much more time to relax, "non drinking."

And I forgot to address the thread title.

I went to a couple AA meetings years ago to see what it was all about. And this is not knocking it, because it does make some people happy. But what I discovered is that its basically a bunch of people who have replaced drinking with coffee, cigarettes, god, and meetings where they indulge in those things.

Being an atheist, non-smoker and only a morning coffee drinker it didn't work for me. Aside from the hearing the alcoholic life stories which are interesting, it just was not enjoyable for me. I do other things like read, art stuff, cook, etc and believe that going to an AA meeting is not going to make someone quit drinking. Well, unless they prefer to hang out with christians while smoking and drinking coffee instead of getting drunk.

A lot of good input from all in this post. :thumbsup

I like others once partied hard, and drank more than I should have. I had gotten caught in the cycle as well, drink, fun, hung over, sick, drink, work, fun, hungover. For me, the body started giving me reason to quit.

Friends, family, nothing could stop me. It was my life, and my decision. For the longest time the most I'd admit to is alcohol abuse. That's all it was, I wasn't an alcoholic. I would never go to AA or anything like that. No way. I did not have a problem.

Well, I did not hard party as long as some whom have shared their stories, and mine was more like 6 years hardcore, and then a few years of back and forth before giving it up completely. For me, the cardioversions because I became allergic to alcohol was the kicker. They called it holiday heart or some shit, but basically the alcohol would effect something in my body (like thyroid or something) and it would get my heart racing a day or two after a hard partying weekend. So I would have to go into the E.R. and get cardioverted back to a normal heart rhythm.

Well the doc told me hard liquor was probably doing it, and if I was going to drink, illiminate all hard liquor, and drink in moderation. So I did that, and for 5 years no more Jack, and hard stuff. Also no more trips to E.R.. But I would still drink atleast once a month and go on benders for 3-5 days.

Well last time I drank like that, I really pushed it on a 7 or 10 day drinkfest. Not getting hammered, just drinking that many days in a row. So when it came time to dry out, you guessed it. Back in E.R. for a cardioversion.

That was the last time. For me there were a number of factors that made me want to stop. One, my sister and neice were there this time. So, although I had went through this a good 10 times prior, this was the first time I could see my decisions effected other people. Having to look at the concern, and realizing that they could lose me one of these times if I did not come back.

For those who do not know what a cardioversion is, they have to stop, and restart your heart. It can be dangerous, and you have to sign a waiver so if you get a clot, stroke out, or just do not come back you can't sue.

Second, the fact the hangovers have gotten to where I can't handle them. This last time, I was severe dehydrated for a week and a half. Dump o' flames, and sick, bedridden, and the rest. No sleep because of the DT's and all that fun. So the physical jut became too much for me to bear for a few hours of so called fun.

Now that I have been sober for I do not know how long now, I can tell you a few things from my perspective. One, I could never go to AA or someplace where I had to talk about it all the time, and keep reopening that chapter in my life. Since becoming sober, I rarely think about it. Even when out at the clubs, bars, or old haunts. The only time it creeps up in my mind, and I have that craving is being around others who talk about it all the time. So those kinda boo-hoo meetings are not for me. They may help some people, and I am not saying they are stronger, or weaker than me. But I do not need to talk about it over and over.

Second, like others have said, there were underlying issues. Which once sober, I resolved, illiminating the escapism. I think with most addiction, there is always something underlying the acting out, escaping, or self medicating.

Third, which alcoholism is classified as a disease, I do not think of it that way. I think of it as an addiction period. I believe most of the addicts out there, so pick your poision.. booze, drugs, cigs.. is a social, and mental issue. Not a physical one until you become an addict. Normally most people seem to get involved in smoking, drinking, or drugs through SOCIAL issues. It becomes a mental one when you associate booze with the bar, for example. I can't go to the bar WITHOUT booze. Or, you can't hang out wiht so and so because they will be firing up a bong, and I want some.

For most people, giving up something means you have to change your behavior to the point you do not hang out where you used to, with the same friends you had, and so on. So it's a social, behavior which leads to the mental and physical over time because you can't seperate the one from the other, and you've abused it to the point your body wants it.

Lastly, noone can make you quit. Not your gf, you wife, kids, friends, family, whatever. You have to want to quit, and commit to staying clean. That is the only way it works. The treatment centers (from what I hear, never been myself) are 30-60-90 days to get that shit cleaned out of your system first, than you can see life through a clear mind, and then they help you find new ways to cope with the underlying issue(s). But from there, you have to commit to a life of sobrity. So it's kinda like retraining you to deal with life, once they get your head clear, and hopefully you are ready to listen.

Make no mistake, regardless of the addiction it's a tough road. It sounds like a lot of people who've posted in this thread have taken enough steps to leave it far behind in the rearview. Bravo to you, and your loved ones.

One last thing, I can't speak for everyone. But I think the reason a lot of treatment programs focus on religon is because you need faith, and something more to help pull you out of the tailspin. A lot of people dealing with addiction have a feeling of loneliness. Faith can fill that void. For years I strayed from the church, and I am not a reborn anything. But I know I refound my faith going through that tough time, and while I am spiritual, I do not preach to others. But if you can't believe in yourself, then belief in the Lord might be the spark that lights the fire and gets you on another path in life w/o drugs and alcohol.

Just my :2 cents:

alcoholism ain't nothing to joke about - 5 years ago we buried my best friend's dad - my second father. A rich eccetric man who spent his life covering up his demons and social shyness with Johnny Walker Red and wine - at least a bottle of Johnny a day and a bottle of wine or more for the 20 years I knew him. Of course we all saw him going downhill badly for years - there were a couple of interventions where he went into detox and treatment but they never lasted long. Anyway one day he just went into a stupor - it looked like a stroke - he was 'gone'. Doctors were stumped - they finally diagnosed him with Korsikoff's Syndrom(not sure of the name, begins with K and is Russian sounding) - his brain was pickled - permanently - by the decades of alcohol - with no way back, no cure or treatment - a vegetable essentially until he died a couple of years later.

as for other drugs - there are tons of seriously fucked up 20 and 30 somethings from ectasy - you don't hear about them because they are their families' problem now - their raver days long behind them.

moderation is everything in life - if you don't have the discipline to moderate your own behaviour - get help.

Me after Vegas :Oh crap

the disease model of addiction is debatable both ways. quite a bit has been written on it each way.

its really hard to say anything is wrong or for the weak, that can bring a person from misery to happiness. join a program. join a church. join a community, sell books in an airport, dive into work. join a gym. be part of something that makes you happy.

i will be the first one to say that there is no right way or wrong way to live a better life. i do think that there are heathier things to rely on other than alcohol.

many many people drink without a problem.

100 hundred DRUNKS