Panchodog been berry good to me. They were one of my top five earners this year. Not one of the top five converters, mind you (1:2879) but who cares? I don't deposit click ratios into my bank account. :xmas-smil

Once again,

it doesnt matter, it doesnt matter - IT DOESNT MATTER.

Shavers or Good guys.
SE traffic or TGP traffic.

FUCKEMOFF.COM will list the stats - and sponsor site owners wont have a say on FUCKEMOFF.COM.

So all their little tactics for slagging off webmasters who post stats SIMPLY CAN GET FUCKED :)

So

Simple as that.

If an affiliate who works hard and gets fucking stupid returns feels like it - he can POST THE SPONSOR SITE ON FUCKEMOFF.COM and that sponsor will find it ****so hard**** to get affiliates in the future that he/she may as well close down before they start.

The 2006 name of the game is to convert well, and keep yourself oFf FUCKEMOFF.COM

Once listed - you will be in the shit.

I SWEAR TO GOD - SHIT CONVERTERS ARE GOING TO FIND IT SOOOOOO FUCKING HARD TO GET AFFILIATES THIS YEAR THEY ARE FUCKED FROM THE WORD GO.

Posts: 666


now thats one evil post lol

oops... my error. Panchodog conversion was 1:1642 ... but I guess "it doesn't matter" :action-sm

"he's trying to incite a riot of folks to bite the hand that feeds."

Nope - hes GOING TO get some sponsor sites onto a listing on FUCKEMOFF.COM

A wank site which does not convert well for whatever reason - be it suspect shaving or plain dross content - will be listed by those who promoted it.

Affiliates need to know who feeds the best you see - if they dont feed well enough - then affiliates should move on.

So - beans on fucking toast sponsors (shaving dickheads or just plain daft sites) can be seen by all potential hard working affiliates beforehand so they dont get promoted.

It is important that affiliates dont send traffic to fucking dumb ass shaving dickheads and plain non-converting sponsors - if they do - then they struggle.

So.

Peckers up - keep your stats clean and convert well - and you wont appear on FUCKEMOFF.COM

If you do appear - you WILL HAVE SERIOUS DIFFICULTY IN GETTING AFFILILATES.

Simple as that.

"Posts: 666
now thats one evil post lol"

Yes - it is one fucking hell of an evil post for non converters.

But converters need not worry - Im a good dude and I aint after listing them on FUCKEMOFF.COM

Remember - 30,000 hits per month ill give it for nowt - a LOT OF WEBMASTERS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SHOW SHIT STATS.

First sponsors listed will be the ones who declare that affiliates cannot list their stats anywhere.

All sponsors declaring that stats cannot be made public will be listed riight away.

Affiliates NEED TO KNOW good converters before they start - otherwise we struggle and get pissed off. Not in 2006 we dont.

All fucking stupid programs will be listed, and NO affiliates will join.

My worst converters this year:

Pancho Dog: Raw 0:19,329 Unique 0:8,349
DC Cash: Raw 0:6,164 Unique 0:5,798
Brain Cash: Raw 0:3,439 Unique 0:2,686

:disgust

My best converters this year:

Love Dollars: Raw 1:137 Unique: 1:110
WEG Cash: Raw 1:285 Unique: 1:228
Make Fucking Money: 1:341 Unique: 1:243

:thumbsup

All based on Stats Remote stats.

NOTE: no sig. no linked affiliates. no agenda. just my raw stats.

That said your mileage may vary..... happy selling in 06!

3k is more than enough.

3k is more than enough.

IT CERTAINLY IS.

Anyway - IT DOESNT MATTER - 3k would get them listed on fuckemoff.com

Quite simply because for whatever reason they convert so badly (be it shaving or just a plain poor site) - us affiliates cant do with working so hard to send 3k and get peanuts - we NEED good sponsors - and we will send GOOD SPONSORS HEAVY FUCKING TRAFFIC.

Shit sponsors - WE WONT SIGN UP FOR.

I can seriously see a lot of wank sites going down the fucking toilet in 2006.

And the the GOOD sites I can see making serious cash - 6+ figures.

So - if you own a site that converts like at 1:1000 on own fucking trade name - like SAPPHIC EROTICA FROM SE TRAFFIC - then ......

You will be listed - thus no more effort from affiliates.

(sapphic erotica is my own personal first listing - along with AC movie pass)

:)

Simple as that - a listing on fuckemoff.com com will seriously damage a site owners potential for gaining affiliates.

The best part is that sponsors dont get a fucking say on it. The stats will speak for themselves.

:thumbsup

i am 1:10,000 with bangbros online this period

And having been doin it for 8 years - stupid comments like the one above can be filtered too.

:)

LOL - half the sites listed in here on sigs are going down the fucking pan.

1:1000 SE traffic for 30 bucks - errrr - no more shit.

I think affiliates will realise just how damaging this can be for a website - NO MASS PROMOTION FROM AFFILIATES is a ***killer*** for a non-branded porn site.

Anyways - it matters not - go get a free hardlink from FUCKEMOFF.COM if your stats suck.

Once a site is listed on FUCKEMOFF.COM - it will stay there.

If your site converts well - then worry not - all is calm.

If your site produces shit stats - then enjoy the listing.

Dude - I don't know what you are trying to promote - is it like a new school "good bad and ugly" page? either way it doesnt even load on this end, hence your OWN conversions are hurting. :error

Its not that simple. There are so many factors, so listing only ratios would be very noobish. Like price vs sales; Your ratio does not really matter... Money does. A ratio at 1:4000 with $50 per signup, is better than 1:1000 with $10 per signup. Which one will you list?

Btw, if you list the 'best' ones, you'll probably end up with the opposite of your intentions. Sure, a "good" listing will make the program owner more money in total, but it wont gain the affiliates much. Hell, Im not gonna list my absolute best (but not so known) programs anywhere just to see everyone else start promoting it. :upsidedow

"Dude - I don't know what you are trying to promote"

I only registered it today - gimme a chance its xmas!!!

:)

"Its not that simple. There are so many factors, so listing only ratios would be very noobish."

Dont worry - it wont be a noob like thing - I wouldnt damage a website so badly by listing it on a whim........................................

Also - good sites etc. Well - fuckemoff.com wont mention good sites - so thats the end of that - only shit sites go on fuckemoff.com. :thumbsup

one thing commonly forgotten is those who
use ccbill sponsors with fhg's, alot of time
those gallery clicks are included in the stats.
thus making your ratios worthless.

otherwise most pro reply from the panchodog peeps.
props to you guys.

I do shemale stuff, all search traffic. 1k clicks
and no sales
buh bye
btw I use virtually no pps or sponsors with nats.
ccbill sponsor recurring sponsors have worked best
for me since 99.

take what you can use from the above
and insult the rest if you must.

If you are serious about this idea, what measures would you put into place to ensure that the criticism of a sponsor was accurate?

Just so many variables. To take it to the extreme, you could get a nasty bastard program owner who decides to slaughter another sponsor with fake stats.

Easy to make show terrible looking stats...how would you know whether it`s true or not?

Wouldn`t work mate. :2 cents:

Unfortunately - as is the case with the law courts - some good sponsors will get listed - thats life - its tough shit basically - just like the dude that gets put away for a crime he didnt commit.

Its an acceptable problem shall we say.

Nothing I can do about that.

when the sites get older, the conversion rates drop, fact of life.

I was at 1 - 500 with andi pink when it first opened and now around 1 - 1500 or so.

here are Andi Pink's conversion stats for today up to the fucking minute - first page uniques, all traffic, crap included

1:627

if you want me to sceencap it i will.

less than 10% of single girl sites can match that - and she REBILLS.

That would depend on the type of traffic. I would never send 30k unique paid clicks to "test" a sponsor. 30k x .05 per click (low average) = $1500 invested to test. 1-700 @ 35 per sale to break even.

It all depends on the type of traffic. I have a HUGE shit list of sponsors that I am slowly kicking to the curb. I would never name them because as proven in this thread what doesn't work for one person works for another.

You just need to watch your numbers and make changes. It doesn't hurt to post asking for sponsors that have certain niches you need etc. but naming those that don't work for you (unless you have concrete proof of problems ie: Pib Cash) just starts a flame war on this board.

Yeah - dont worry - names will be posted here anyways - no problemo.

Fuckemoff.com will give webmasters the choice of whether or not to promote a program based on facts presented by anyone OTHER than the sponsor - sponsors will not get a say.

Total 12975 9229 0 $ 0 0:9229

i know this is an old thread but i'm just reading it now :(

This is an adult webmaster forum right?

Alot of hate in here and people 'hiding' sponsor names... I am sorry if the creation of this thread seemed negative, I am just obtaining feedback on this issue. I dont think Panchodog is going to lose business because 'dvd316 said we converted bad on GFY'... c'mon seriously.

I never said company x are scum or anything personal... its just business, and its all good.

The only way to accurately compare traffic productivity sent to different sponsors is to track outbound raw hits yourself and figure out the $ per raw click sent for each sponsor.

This should be done for each traffic source, as everyone knows that conversions are completely dependent on traffic source (that is, different sources of of traffic sent to the same site will have different ratios).

Anything other than this (comparing different sponsors' stats with varying traffic sources) is not a fair or accurate measurement of traffic productivity.

seriously, WOW

I can't even imagine dealing with anything that converts 1:1000 or worse, i'd be pissed too.