ccbill, NATS and other aff programs - Lets talk ROI - GoFuckYourself.com

darksoul · 12-20-2005, 01:51 AM

I know the adult industry its based on volume that is probably why nobody
gives much thought into ROI tracking.
What I'm wondering is why the affiliate programs give so little information
about the signups I'm making. Why don't they provide more usefull
information like the IP of the user that signed up, which would
makes a huge difference.
What I would love to see from ccbill, NATS and other programs would be
postbacks. CCBill already does this for program owners, why not do this for
affiliates as well ? I don't think its much more overhead and this would
lead to the creation of better tracking tools for our traffic. It wouldn't
take a lot for the other programs to do it either, or at least provide
the IP of the user that signed up.

Currently I can think of some tricks to have a better tracking but with
so many programs its just not doable for all the traffic.
If theres something I'm missing feel free to enlighten me.

Props to http://www.webcams.com/affiliates/ which at least
provides the ip of the user which helps me a ton.
And feel free to add any other programs that provide better stats.

P.S. I don't want any smartass telling me ccbill its not an aff program.

Why · 12-20-2005, 01:54 AM

creative spam? i think so.

darksoul · 12-20-2005, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Why

creative spam? i think so.

Lol.
Please go back to your tgp.

DamageX · 12-20-2005, 01:59 AM

There you go, making sense on GFY...

darksoul · 12-20-2005, 02:15 AM

Imagine TGPs having their toplists sorted by signup ratio
instead of the current system which only produces click monkeys.

mryellow · 12-20-2005, 03:13 AM

That's all well and good, but there are simplier ways.

The whole adult industry is built on doing things simplier, seen many, many
mainstreme online businesses go broke trying to be tricky.

I used to do a lot of PayPerSearch advertising.... All I needed was a CTR and
my $/click and all the ROI was right there infront of me.

Postbacks sound like a good idea, but isn't it just more overhead just for little
information that can be gathered through other means anyway?

-Ben

darksoul · 12-20-2005, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mryellow

That's all well and good, but there are simplier ways.

The whole adult industry is built on doing things simplier, seen many, many
mainstreme online businesses go broke trying to be tricky.

I used to do a lot of PayPerSearch advertising.... All I needed was a CTR and
my $/click and all the ROI was right there infront of me.

Postbacks sound like a good idea, but isn't it just more overhead just for little
information that can be gathered through other means anyway?

-Ben

Well its not that simple as you think.
When you're dealing with one source of traffic ofcourse
its easier but thats not the case with many sites.

What is so hard to add some ips in the stats ?

SomeCreep · 12-20-2005, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

P.S. I don't want any smartass telling me ccbill its not an aff program.

ccbill its not an aff program

darksoul · 12-20-2005, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

ccbill its not an aff program

I was expecting that.

Nathan · 12-20-2005, 04:18 AM

Its definately an interesting idea... postbacks to affiliates... I would have to look into issues like slow target URLs and such, but that would probably be the only problem.

Interesting idea, thanks for the tip.

bigdog · 12-20-2005, 04:18 AM

what benefit does having ip's of the users give you?

SomeCreep · 12-20-2005, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

I was expecting that.

I was expecting that you were expecting that.

hentaivip · 12-20-2005, 05:02 AM

Anybody promote webcams.com ?

darksoul · 12-20-2005, 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdog

what benefit does having ip's of the users give you?

I can better track my traffic see which is producing signups and which doesn't.
Like I said there can be some workarounds but having the ips would
make everything much more simple.

sonofsam · 12-20-2005, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

I was expecting that you were expecting that.

i was expecting that you were expecting that he was expecting that

andrej_NDC · 12-20-2005, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

I was expecting that you were expecting that.

darksoul · 12-20-2005, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hentaivip

Anybody promote webcams.com ?

I do altho this thread its not about webcams

nekrom · 12-20-2005, 07:22 AM

You say you want to use ip's to better track which traffic source is sening more joins, why don't you just use landing pages? I mean that what I do for cpc and whatnot and works well for me.

-N

d00t · 12-20-2005, 07:30 AM

I can think of 10 programs off the top of my head that do member data postback to the affiliate account. For their own protection (to save you from annoying them) I won't name any, except www.pimpinpays.com ..however the infomation provided back to the affiliate about the member can sometimes be limited for many many reasons which I'd rather not discuss.

My point is, if you have the signups to support the feature being enabled at the sponsor, chances are they will activate it for your account. Many sponsors run things in the background normal affiliates will never ever see or read about. This is one of those.

Welcome to 1995

darksoul · 12-20-2005, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d00t

My point is, if you have the signups to support the feature being enabled at the sponsor, chances are they will activate it for your account. Many sponsors run things in the background normal affiliates will never ever see or read about. This is one of those.

Welcome to 1995

Oh please.
I'm rather sick of sponsors adverting their affiliate support and
not even bother answering an e-mail after you signup.
Not saying this is the case but thats my experience with the
programs I signed up from GFY.
The best responses I got was from bots which weren't even answering
the question I asked.

darksoul · 12-20-2005, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nekrom

You say you want to use ip's to better track which traffic source is sening more joins, why don't you just use landing pages? I mean that what I do for cpc and whatnot and works well for me.

-N

Like I already said twice in this thread, there are ways to go around it
up till some point. However when working on a larger scale it doesn't make a
viable option.

Darren · 12-20-2005, 07:46 AM

www.MensNiche.com already do IP tracking for people promoting us...

I suggest you use our free design and programming to build a site like www.malepenisadvice.com and start experiencing ratios like www.mensniche.com/topten.php

Dalai lama · 12-20-2005, 07:48 AM

What value has it for you as a affiliate to know the IP of the user that signed up? You dont need to it for GEO tracking or anything, that makes no different. If you get paid per sale you shouldn't get much information at all. You get raw, unique, sometimes second pages hits or join page hits. Most of the time you can see the url you got the signup from and from which campaign the traffic got. What else more you need to know?

darksoul · 12-20-2005, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalai lama

What value has it for you as a affiliate to know the IP of the user that signed up? You dont need to it for GEO tracking or anything, that makes no different. If you get paid per sale you shouldn't get much information at all. You get raw, unique, sometimes second pages hits or join page hits. Most of the time you can see the url you got the signup from and from which campaign the traffic got. What else more you need to know?

I would say you go back and read.

darksoul · 12-20-2005, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darren

www.MensNiche.com already do IP tracking for people promoting us...

I suggest you use our free design and programming to build a site like www.malepenisadvice.com and start experiencing ratios like www.mensniche.com/topten.php

thats good. I'm just not into pills and stuff.

I'd like to see this feature with more programs tho.

Screaming · 12-20-2005, 08:54 AM

all good points, thanks

John Marco · 12-23-2005, 05:59 PM

thx for mentioning us

We try to give our affiliates detailed info in case they need to know where their traffic is coming from, etc. We are actually going to be hyperlinking the IP in the future so you can geo-track it easily from our system.

I think this information is important for affiliates and there really is no reason why programs shouldn't give it that I can think of? It would be very easy for stats programs to include this information in the postback for affiliates.

What are reasons why the affiliate shouldn't know these details?

12-20-2005, 01:51 AM	#1
darksoul Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: /root/ Posts: 4,997	ccbill, NATS and other aff programs - Lets talk ROI I know the adult industry its based on volume that is probably why nobody gives much thought into ROI tracking. What I'm wondering is why the affiliate programs give so little information about the signups I'm making. Why don't they provide more usefull information like the IP of the user that signed up, which would makes a huge difference. What I would love to see from ccbill, NATS and other programs would be postbacks. CCBill already does this for program owners, why not do this for affiliates as well ? I don't think its much more overhead and this would lead to the creation of better tracking tools for our traffic. It wouldn't take a lot for the other programs to do it either, or at least provide the IP of the user that signed up. Currently I can think of some tricks to have a better tracking but with so many programs its just not doable for all the traffic. If theres something I'm missing feel free to enlighten me. Props to http://www.webcams.com/affiliates/ which at least provides the ip of the user which helps me a ton. And feel free to add any other programs that provide better stats. P.S. I don't want any smartass telling me ccbill its not an aff program. __________________ 1337 5y54\|)m1n: 157717888 BM-2cUBw4B2fgiYAfjkE7JvWaJMiUXD96n9tN Cambooth

12-20-2005, 01:59 AM	#4
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12-20-2005, 02:15 AM	#5
darksoul Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: /root/ Posts: 4,997	Imagine TGPs having their toplists sorted by signup ratio instead of the current system which only produces click monkeys. __________________ 1337 5y54\|)m1n: 157717888 BM-2cUBw4B2fgiYAfjkE7JvWaJMiUXD96n9tN Cambooth

12-20-2005, 03:13 AM	#6
mryellow Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 934	That's all well and good, but there are simplier ways. The whole adult industry is built on doing things simplier, seen many, many mainstreme online businesses go broke trying to be tricky. I used to do a lot of PayPerSearch advertising.... All I needed was a CTR and my $/click and all the ROI was right there infront of me. Postbacks sound like a good idea, but isn't it just more overhead just for little information that can be gathered through other means anyway? -Ben __________________ Cyberwurx Hosting After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best. Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime. Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks. <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.

12-20-2005, 04:18 AM	#10
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Its definately an interesting idea... postbacks to affiliates... I would have to look into issues like slow target URLs and such, but that would probably be the only problem. Interesting idea, thanks for the tip. __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

12-20-2005, 01:54 AM	#2
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	creative spam? i think so.

12-20-2005, 04:18 AM	#11
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	what benefit does having ip's of the users give you?

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12-20-2005, 07:22 AM	#18
nekrom Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Australia/Asia Posts: 921	You say you want to use ip's to better track which traffic source is sening more joins, why don't you just use landing pages? I mean that what I do for cpc and whatnot and works well for me. -N __________________ Free Traffic

12-20-2005, 07:30 AM	#19
d00t Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your mind Posts: 3,766	I can think of 10 programs off the top of my head that do member data postback to the affiliate account. For their own protection (to save you from annoying them) I won't name any, except www.pimpinpays.com ..however the infomation provided back to the affiliate about the member can sometimes be limited for many many reasons which I'd rather not discuss. My point is, if you have the signups to support the feature being enabled at the sponsor, chances are they will activate it for your account. Many sponsors run things in the background normal affiliates will never ever see or read about. This is one of those. Welcome to 1995

12-20-2005, 07:46 AM	#22
Darren Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,994	www.MensNiche.com already do IP tracking for people promoting us... I suggest you use our free design and programming to build a site like www.malepenisadvice.com and start experiencing ratios like www.mensniche.com/topten.php __________________ Penis enlargement / male enhancement pills - earn up to $229.48 per signup ICQ: 46335817

12-20-2005, 07:48 AM	#23
Dalai lama Strength and Honor Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 16,540	What value has it for you as a affiliate to know the IP of the user that signed up? You dont need to it for GEO tracking or anything, that makes no different. If you get paid per sale you shouldn't get much information at all. You get raw, unique, sometimes second pages hits or join page hits. Most of the time you can see the url you got the signup from and from which campaign the traffic got. What else more you need to know? __________________ A program you can trust. Gallerybooster Run multiply TGPs of 1 script

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12-23-2005, 05:59 PM	#27
John Marco Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 912	thx for mentioning us We try to give our affiliates detailed info in case they need to know where their traffic is coming from, etc. We are actually going to be hyperlinking the IP in the future so you can geo-track it easily from our system. I think this information is important for affiliates and there really is no reason why programs shouldn't give it that I can think of? It would be very easy for stats programs to include this information in the postback for affiliates. What are reasons why the affiliate shouldn't know these details? __________________ WEBCAMS.COM $42+ PPS or revshare ICQ: 476-111 Google Talk: Webcams.com