If a solo site model dies tragically, should her site be taken down out of respect?

[xNetworx]

Unless her immediate family wants or needs to retain the income generated from the site, should it be taken down out of respect?

I say Yes.

Its a total cliche scumbag pornographer move to leave it up IMHO.

I also think modeling contracts should have a death clause.. Going to ask my lawyer to add that to mine.

[fitzmulti]

The situations that mine have, both do as you describe in your "unless"...but both were very well known adult film stars, and have a good fan base. CCBILL handles the "splits" for me. However, in both cases, I took their sites down for a month - intentionnaly avoiding peole "just joining because they were curious" after hearing of their passing. When traffic got "back to normal", I resumed their sites.

However, in the cases of solo amateur girls, etc...I would agree, unless again if the family wanted it that way.

But..just to play "Devil's Advocate"...what about purchased content cases, where one would never even KNOW the girl passed away, since she'd been named 14 different names, by 14 different webmasters? And should those webmasters remove the content / sites when they find out - and lose whatever investment they'd made?

What about models who posed for content brokers 5, 10, 15 years ago...and the content might still be being sold...even though the model may have passed away a long time ago, and noone was aware?

It's a difficult debate. Particularly when peple buying content from content brokers would have no way to ever know...

Fitz

[flashfire]

if its a solo site and you know the girl has passed take it down...pretty hard to update it anyway unless its a weird fetish site....forget I said that last bit

[Young]

if its a solo site and you know the girl has passed take it down...pretty hard to update it anyway unless its a weird fetish site....forget I said that last bit

maybe you have hit the backspace button then. Completely distasteful.

[MikeyFingaz]

i really hope that this doesnt ever happen (im not sure if it has in the past)...

but god forbid (if thier is a "god" as we know it).

[fitzmulti]

Another quickie...
Should adult video companies "call back" DVD's of the porn stars that passed away? Nope, and you knwo they aren't going to.

"Blonde Factory" with Julie Robbins (one of my aforementioned) came out the week she passed away...but it would not be normal business for Sin City to have just not sold it, or re-edited it...and I doubt anyone would expect them to.

Adam & Eve has video content of Julie that will be out soon, and they sent me a CD of the stills for use on her site...which I appreciated...but you would not expect them to never use the footage.

Fitz

[xNetworx]

The situations that mine have, both do as you describe in your "unless"...but both were very well known adult film stars, and have a good fan base. CCBILL handles the "splits" for me. However, in both cases, I took their sites down for a month - intentionnaly avoiding peole "just joining because they were curious" after hearing of their passing. When traffic got "back to normal", I resumed their sites.

However, in the cases of solo amateur girls, etc...I would agree, unless again if the family wanted it that way.

But..just to play "Devil's Advocate"...what about purchased content cases, where one would never even KNOW the girl passed away, since she'd been named 14 different names, by 14 different webmasters? And should those webmasters remove the content / sites when they find out - and lose whatever investment they'd made?

What about models who posed for content brokers 5, 10, 15 years ago...and the content might still be being sold...even though the model may have passed away a long time ago, and noone was aware?

It's a difficult debate. Particularly when peple buying content from content brokers would have no way to ever know...

Fitz

I think models need a living will becuase lets say a model passes away and her father that she hates, who used to molest her growing up gets her money. Hmmmm

[xNetworx]

After some thought, I feel this debate boils down to how the site owner views and respects the model and her loved ones. If the site owner feels like a model is just another piece of meat and would rather piss off her family than his/her affiliates, they would leave it up. If the site owner respects the model and views her in a positive light, he will likely consult with her loved ones and make a decision based on that meeting.

[fitzmulti]

That's exactly what I did with Julie's sites CCBILL $ going to her mother, but it set up for a specific trust fund account for her daughter. Sadly, Julie and I had actually discussed all this, like a month before she passed...because of the situation with the other girl, Britney Madison.

I guess my point is, different situations call for different results...and it may not just be a case of "scumbag pornographers"...no offense taken.

Fitz

[bhutocracy]

There would still be thousands of affiliate links out there.
It should be closed after a few months as affiliate signups dry up so they don't lose all their work.

[xNetworx]

That's exactly what I did with Julie's sites CCBILL $ going to her mother, but it set up for a specific trust fund account for her daughter. Sadly, Julie and I had actually discussed all this, like a month before she passed...because of the situation with the other girl, Britney Madison.

Fitz

Damn dude, times have been crazy for you it seems

[xNetworx]

There would still be thousands of affiliate links out there.
It should be closed after a few months as affiliate signups dry up so they don't lose all their work.

Or you could redirect the traffic to another, similar site.

[fitzmulti]

If the site owner respects the model and views her in a positive light, he will likely consult with her loved ones and make a decision based on that meeting.

More "Devil's Advocate"...what if the family was unaware the model did porn? Should the webmaster "break the news to them"? I don't think so...especially right after such a tragedy. What if he didn't know they didn't know, and really crushed them with such news??? More to think about...

"Dear Mr. & Mrs. "so and so"...your daughter "Real Name", was a porn star "Fake Name"...how should we handle her hardcore adult website?"

Fitz

[Deputy Chief Command]

so when picasso died we could not look at his paintings anymore ?

when hitchcock died we could not look at his movies anymore ?

when beethoven died we should stop listening to his music ?

and on and on

[xNetworx]

so when picasso died we could not look at his paintings anymore ?

when hitchcock died we could not look at his movies anymore ?

when beethoven died we should stop listening to his music ?

and on and on

You don't know any models in this business personally do you?

Also, comparing Beethoven to say, Tiffany Teen is asinine

[Deputy Chief Command]

You don't know any models in this business personally do you?

Also, comparing Beethoven to say, Tiffany Teen is asinine

I actually do know some of them personally , and some are real proud of what they do and actually get off of the fact that all those men want them


its like living forever

[fitzmulti]

I actually do know some of them personally , and some are real proud of what they do and actually get off of the fact that all those men want them
its like living forever

Exactly the case with Julie. She said she'd done all the work, so if something happened, that she'd want it to benefit her daughter, so that's what was arranged...
:-)
Fitz

[Deputy Chief Command]

You don't know any models in this business personally do you?

Also, comparing Beethoven to say, Tiffany Teen is asinine

I was btw comparing art with art


I see porn models as girls who are involved in performance art ,


just like the more famous artists , but then for a smaller public ,


getting your art out there is a task , and once you die, there is no reason to stop people looking at your art


people looking at your art = people remembering you = you living forever

and isnt that what we all want after we died ? to be remembered ?

not only by your family , but also by your audience

[The Truth Hurts]

Why would she have to die tragically?

Why not comically?... maybe dressed in a clown suit getting gangbanged by midgets and they're all run over by an ice cream truck for example..

[bhutocracy]

Or you could redirect the traffic to another, similar site.

Bad conversions though. Is there really any specific moral point in making a concerted effort in shutting the site down ASAP? Or is it just some amorphous "vibe"? Personally I don't really see the harm in leaving it up till sales die out.

[AmeliaG]

What if the girl was modeling specifically to be immortalized?

[reed_4]

I guess by taking the site down you are giving respect to the dead model.

[Abbie Bueller]

After some thought, I feel this debate boils down to how the site owner views and respects the model and her loved ones. If the site owner feels like a model is just another piece of meat and would rather piss off her family than his/her affiliates, they would leave it up. If the site owner respects the model and views her in a positive light, he will likely consult with her loved ones and make a decision based on that meeting.

It sounds to me like you think girls are really pieces of meat and the only way you'd show them any respect is if they died. That's my opinion of your twisted thinking, at least.

[Turf]

death doesnt change anything and there is no reason to close down a site just because the model died - leave it up and open to honor her, her work and guard her legacy...

[Peace]

death doesnt change anything and there is no reason to close down a site just because the model died - leave it up and open to honor her, her work and guard her legacy...

I agree with you

[Mutt]

i'd absolutely take the site down immediately UNLESS her friends and family felt she would have wanted it to stay up. i'd leave the decision up to them.

in the case of a very successful site it would be a hard thing to do but i know I would do the right thing and take it down.

[SilentKnight]

So by saying you'd take down the site "out of respect" - doesn't that imply that the model is not respectable while she's alive?

In the case of the wife and I...we've always been proud of the artistic adult images we've created together over the years. To have someone take them down after we're gone is like saying we were ashamed of what we accomplished with our work.

This is another of those questions that's difficult to answer without getting in to generalities. Every situation is different, depending on the individual and circumstances.

Would I take down the images I shot of another model if she had passed on? No. Aside from the fact there's no clause or provision in the contract that obligates that...to me, it denegrates and belittles the model's decision to model in the first place. I would think its more of an insult to the model to take them down, than to allow them to continue existing.

Just my

[DutchTeenCash]

so with 2 yrs content and a good running site you gotta take it down?

it depends on a 1000 things

[Screaming]

up to the fam if you ask me.

[adultchica]

At least for a while out of respect yes

[SilentKnight]

At least for a while out of respect yes

Actually, I'd be tempted to put up a nice elaborate 'tribute' page on the site for the model - and feature a few of their best photos (ones I knew the model really liked themselves). I'd include a nice anecdote or two of what she was like to work with...something complimentary about her.

[xNetworx]

It sounds to me like you think girls are really pieces of meat and the only way you'd show them any respect is if they died. That's my opinion of your twisted thinking, at least.

By hooking them up with a high paying job, that they were seeking, I'm not showing any respect? Seriously, fuck off. You don't know me at all.

[candyflip]

By hooking them up with a high paying job, that they were seeking, I'm not showing any respect? Seriously, fuck off. You don't know me at all.

You're the idiot that asked the question. You should be been prepared for the reponses.

[tony286]

I guess I cant watch Citizen Kane again all those people are dead lol. First off this is the net, you shutting down a site wouldnt retire her images.

[Halcyon]

You don't know any models in this business personally do you?

Also, comparing Beethoven to say, Tiffany Teen is asinine

This is a slippery slope.

Much of this debate is about respecting the model.
Well, if she is truly respected, then her work is her art. (no comment on the quality of the art)
By assuming she would want it removed is to assume that she is embarassed about it and does not want it as a legacy.

I'm not saying I disagree...just that we should be careful about labeling porn work as "embarassing."

[xNetworx]

This is a slippery slope.

Much of this debate is about respecting the model.
Well, if she is truly respected, then her work is her art. (no comment on the quality of the art)
By assuming she would want it removed is to assume that she is embarassed about it and does not want it as a legacy.

I'm not saying I disagree...just that we should be careful about labeling porn work as "embarassing."

I meant comparing the death of Beethoven to the death of any random solo site model was rediculous. Not saying that ones art form was greater than anothers. Nah mean?

[Niko Bimini]

Dave this is a very deep and legitimate topic to discuss. Unfortunately it should really only be discussed with program owners, and models. As you see from the response the people that put thought and respect into there posts here are the photographers, program owners, and models. We are the only ones that can truely understand the complexity of this issue.

Doesn't make anyone elses opinion wrong, it just wieghs heavier on those of us that actually know the models and would have to ultimately make the call.

Lets just hope we never have to deal with this question.

[xNetworx]

Candybitch:
This message is hidden because candyflip is on your ignore list.

You think I'd actually read a post of yours? You are like a barnacle that clings to the ship that is GFY.

[xNetworx]

Dave this is a very deep and legitimate topic to discuss. Unfortunately it should really only be discussed with program owners, and models. As you see from the response the people that put thought and respect into there posts here are the photographers, program owners, and models. We are the only ones that can truely understand the complexity of this issue.

Doesn't make anyone elses opinion wrong, it just wieghs heavier on those of us that actually know the models and would have to ultimately make the call.

Lets just hope we never have to deal with this question.

Amen brother

[Oracle Porn]

If I spend $10k on a site, it's making me money and stable....I would send some flowers and my regrets to the family, but I would not take the site down.

[Nismo]

Absolutely it should be taken down.

IMO, this is what gives pornographers a bad stigma.

Model comes to you for photoshoot to start site. You start site. She dies. You keep making money from the site. Her parents have to deal with her untimely death and the fact that people are jerking off to their dead daughters pics on the internet and you are still making money from that.

It's absoutely disgusting.

[Halcyon]

I meant comparing the death of Beethoven to the death of any random solo site model was rediculous. Not saying that ones art form was greater than anothers. Nah mean?

understood. But as an artist who plans on only being appreciated only after my death, I hope my work (and cock) live on. ;)

[xNetworx]

understood. But as an artist who plans on only being appreciated only after my death, I hope my work (and cock) live on. ;)

You have a message tho.. a manifesto if you will. Most of these solo sites have nothing of that nature. Even most site's diaries I have seen seem way to kinky for the model to have actually written.

[Theo]

I dont see the relationship between taking the site down and showing respect. Adult industry needs to learn to handle itself as it's not different from the rest world. I havent seen record labels stop selling albums after a singer passes away or studios do the same for the dead actors.

[Theo]

and no its not different, it would be different if you consider their job degrading, if you really do you are in the wrong business.

[Mutt]

people are confusing this issue by putting the older girls like Vanilla, Tassy etc who enter this business for the right reasons more or less and the young girls who come into this business looking for easy money and attention in the same boat - they are apples and oranges.

[Doctor Dre]

if its a solo site and you know the girl has passed take it down...pretty hard to update it anyway unless its a weird fetish site....forget I said that last bit

Most people have as many updates upfront as they have in the member aera

[Mutt]

and no its not different, it would be different if you consider their job degrading, if you really do you are in the wrong business.

no - you don't have to assume that the job is degrading - but in the event of a tragedy a decent person would consider the feelings and wishes of the parents and other family members. Do you think any parent or brother or sister of an 18 year old with her cooch spread for millions of people are actually proud or happy about it? When a girl's memory is all that is left behind - i think a brief career as an Internet porn star should not be the lasting testament to her life.

[Nismo]

I dont see the relationship between taking the site down and showing respect. Adult industry needs to learn to handle itself as it's not different from the rest world. I havent seen record labels stop selling albums after a singer passes away or studios do the same for the dead actors.

Uh what in the hell are you talking about? Are you really comparing record sales to internet pornography? Just when I think some of you can't possibly get any lower, you justify it like this.

[Sly]

If the site owner feels like a model is just another piece of meat and would rather piss off her family than his/her affiliates, they would leave it up.

I'm curious... if said photographer was really so concerned about the family and friends of said model, why did he take her pictures and videos to begin with? Very few family members are ever going to "approve" their baby being plastered online as "masturbation material".

Anyway, I can see how so many people think the situation is different because its a "solo girl", I just don't agree. Is anybody asking for Britney Madison's content to be taken down? She is ALL over the place, along with several other models that have passed on. Its a tragic thing to watch people die so young, but again, I just don't see how taking content down is suddenly supposed to earn respect from the families when nobody gave a rats ass about the families beforehand.