I try and stay away from ibill threads. If they're there (internext; which I doubt) it will be a lot more interesting than the Summer session. They fucked a lot of people within the last few months, a few players included.

Hey check your signup link....

Not Found
The requested URL /Dokumente und Einstellungen/PC1/Desktop/ynot/wbsite_ynotpay/kontaktformular.php was not found on this server.

Apache/1.3.33 Server at www.ynotpayment.com Port 80

I am still here. I am too busy to post often, but I still check the board every day or two, and I will post if I have anything important to tell you.
Just an FYI for everyone.
gkard payout for 12/1 has gone out
non-gkard payout for 12/7 has gone out
gkard payout for 12/15 has gone out
no information on the 12/21 non-gkard payout (it's still too early in the morning)

You can check CMI for details on your payout.

So iBill is current on all payouts for current processing.
We are still working on settlement funding for money owed from last year, but anybody processing with us since March 2005 is receiving their money.

You can still contact me at [email protected] if you have questions.

Happy Holidays

So those of us who expected our twice a month EFTs for $250 - $300 are screwed... Even when we were stupid enough to factor them in to our X-Mas Huh ? I have always kept my mouth shut because i was happy to finally be getting paid for past recurrings (even though you lost 3/4 of my recurring DB by then)... But to pull this shit at X-Mas so you can pass bonuses on to senior management - beyond being cool.

Seriously, that was the money I ws spending on my fiance's X-Mas present.

Not that you guys care much ...

Your company is a joke. Your only job is to pay people and you can't even do it. You are thieves and scum and I hope your CEO ends up in Federal prison.

For you to come here to update or respond to people with an "FYI" on missed payments speaks for itself. :winkwink:

P.S. You have 3 months to come up with your "Sorry Ibill Cant Pay On Your Note Payable Contracts Right Now,But We Will " Speech :party-smi

Did you get your payment booger?

We sued, Ibill paid 5 payments, and now court again
 

Sued Ibill for money owed, Ibill entered into a settlement agreement, Ibill paid 5 monthly installments, and now missed the last payment. Our lawyers have made a motion to get the money per the terms of the agreement.

So whoever Andrew at Ibill is, I can definitely say Ibill's not honoring the terms of the settlement agreement they entered into with us.

http://www.firekite.com/store/misc/p...m22/retard.jpg

If it were my money tied up someone's legs would have been broken, allowed to re-heal then broken again.

I just wrote you please respond.

did your settlement check really bounce? The same check you were praising them for just the other week?

why does anyone do business with these guys...the name of the game is getting paid

Ok, I'll pile on here too. Check the source on the check transaction payouts you guys received late.. it is probably symmetrex. Symmetrex is the "safe and secure" way that gkard transactions are paid. Ibill is sending payout orders to symmetrex for non-gkard payouts... why do you think there was a delay in the 12/15 gkard payout? they spent the money paying check transactions that were to have been paid 11/21. They are digging their own grave. its only gonna get worse.

I entered a settlement agreement with them as well (read: with Andrew) and they are 2 payments short at this time....

:321GFY

The name Ibill is a joke throughout the online world. Everyone knows how they do business and yet people still send them joins. If you lose money with Iball's you only have yourself to blame. Warnings have been posted over the last 2 years on GFY and many other boards ignore them at your peril !!!

REBILLS !!!!!!!

obviously their business model is broken and they cant keep up with them

arnt you the guy that posted you were all paid up from ibill?

Andrew... That is one incredible post and in keeping with the lack of cred in the company you accept a salary from.

You are well-aware iBill has entered into formal agreement for payment of amounts to creditors, but rarely have these agreements been fulfilled.

I'm sure you can find the time to check the board "every day or so". It's a pity you are also too busy to respond to the webmasters who have, in fact, emailed you several times.

FYI ... there is no cred - and never will be.

Couple of questions PW...

How many times they need broken?

You mean them to heal completely before breaking again? That sounds like too long. :winkwink:

Seriously.... there are some folks - forget the Andrew bullshitters - but others who seriously need thrown in a jail cell - but, that's only a matter of time.

Just in case there is anybody out there new to the Ibill situation.

Anything coming from Ibill, is just another blatant lie:

Neither Dec. 7 or Dec. 21 payouts have gone out.

?Thank you for contacting iBill.

Unfortunately, we currently do not have exact set date as to when
the Dec. 07 and Dec. 21 payout will be sent.

As soon as we have any update, it will be posted on CMI.?


Gkard payouts are never in time, the Dec. 15 one went out on the Dec. 20 and it did NOT include the 10% reserve money withheld in May, 2005.

Same way Nov. 15 and Oct. 15 payout did NOT include reserves kept in March and April.

?Thank you for contacting iBill.

Unfortunately, we were unable to include the reserve payout on the Dec. 15. payout.

We continue to work to resolve this issue as soon as possible.?

Ibill not touching Gkard money is just another lie ? Gkard reserves, as well as non-Gkard moneys, have already been embezzled by Ibill, same way it had always happened before.

Do NOT enter into any settlement agreement with Andrew or any other nonentity there ? it is ALL scam from the very beginning!

To the new webmasters ? AVOID Ibill as a plague, stay away as far as you can, this is a criminal organisation run by criminals with a sole objective of committing crimes.

Now, can anybody recommend a reasonable lawyer, please? Thank you.

Yep...and they bounced the first check.

They subsequently wired the funds direct, but only after wasting another entire day of phone calls & emails - which pissed me off and I'll never be reimbursed for.

You live in the US or elsewhere?

Lawyers are like mosquitos precise - ten a penny, and just takes time briefing them well to do a decent job on a simple debt recovery process. You live within the US precise?

As a matter course, the Attorney General's office in Florida would like to hear from aggrieved iBill clients and any others who have a claim - also below is the direct line for lodging a complaint to the FTC.

Attorney General
Florida
Tel 866-966-7226.

FTC
http://www.ftc.gov
Direct Phone Complaints:
Tel 877-382-4357

Obviously the chances of actual debt recovery is diminishing by the month. It always takes longer than you would think.

Apart from what is known to webmasters and other creditors, there is plenty info existing "externally" - here's an old syndicated article from Lawrence Kiminski. The relevant part is the footnote at the bottom.

http://www.oregonherald.com/n/specia...pany-fraud.htm

There are obviously other eyes on iBill, IBDI, the present and past officers and the "I'm-only-a-shareholder" motivators in these companies.

makes me VERY glad I've never done business with Ibill!!!

I love Ibill... they really know how to fuck up! :(

Just shows what can happen when a processor loses their merchant account.

CCBill may be headed down the same path.

Someone needs to step up and sue these fuckers. They are crooks. And now they are spending all YOUR money on a booth in Vegas.

SOMEONE SUE THEM!

Anyone processing with them still is doing it for the money they are obviously owed but sooner or later you will get fucked out of it. So drop them and take the loss now on your terms before they simply bend you over and fuck you when you might need it.

crooks always have it coming.

Just an FYI for Everyone...Including Andrew & IBILL !

Neither Dec. 7 or Dec. 21 payouts have gone out.

?Thank you for contacting iBill.

Unfortunately, we currently do not have exact set date as to when
the Dec. 07 and Dec. 21 payout will be sent.

As soon as we have any update, it will be posted on CMI.?


Gkard payouts are never in time, the Dec. 15 one went out on the Dec. 20 and it did NOT include the 10% reserve money withheld in May, 2005.

Same way Nov. 15 and Oct. 15 payout did NOT include reserves kept in March and April.

?Thank you for contacting iBill.

Unfortunately, we were unable to include the reserve payout on the Dec. 15. payout.

We continue to work to resolve this issue as soon as possible.?

Ibill not touching Gkard money is just another lie ? Gkard reserves, as well as non-Gkard moneys Go From IBILL to Symetrexx <atleast thats what they say on the phone when you ask why they missed there payments>


HAPPY HOLLIDAYS ANDREW @ I-BULL :321GFY

Ibill is one of the leading payment processors and I for one am tired of all the negativitiy here. Be happy that you received partial payments.

They are relocating to a smaller office so there will be more money for you in the future. Plus new webmasters are signing up every day when they here the crazy rates they charge at IBill.

if they have fucked before why some people still use them?

I am all paid up

got my Dec 15 wire

Are you actually a big boy now or is Mom still breast feeding you?

Grown up and behave and stop uttering utter crap.

If you are tired of webmasters failing to be paid - that's a pity. Take it up with your friends at iBill.

You claim to have extensive knowlege of iBill in past thread and now in this post. How many "new webmasters" are signing up every day and what exactly are the "crazy rates they charge at iBill"? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Get back to work - quit claiming you are in any way a webmaster, - and tell your office colleages they need to find jobs where they can have some dignity.

Its rather blatantly obvious you just don't seem to comprehend much.

Every time you jump in and throw your ridiculous .02 cents in unfounded support for iBill...you generate a littany of negative responses. You claim you're "tired of all the negativity" - but you become the flash point for a lot of the controversy with your unqualified support.

You say you're tired of the negativity. Oh woe is you. That's so sad. Do you think your weariness even remotely compares to the disappointment and hardship suffered by those who haven't been paid the money owing to them?

You say "people should be happy for a partial payment". That ranks among the most utterly foolish and senseless things I've seen written here on GFY so far. Its obviously a statement made by someone who hasn't gone through the financial trials and tribulations of dealing with iBill for the past 16 months.

And finally - you say they're relocating to a smaller building so there will be more money available to pay out. Hello? Court documents illustrate iBill was kicked out of their previous location by the property owner for failure to pay the lease. Plug that in to your equation and tell us again how this downsizing of location is going to provide additional funds to pay webmasters.

But that said, undoubtedly you'll either ignore or dismiss all the above points and instead simply continue bleeting your support of iBill with threadbare rhetoric and statements that reveal your complete ignorance of the facts.


http://www.cybercreate.com/bml/images/beat/saeed1.jpg


(Mohammed Saed al-Sahaf...loves ya' baby)

Tired of the negativity? They owe me $1000's from sales and rebills from 2004. I emailed Andrew and he basically told me too bad, that money is gone unless you want to negotiate something to get you part of it. But I am a lowly affiliate so I cannot negotiate for my money. It is up to the companies I promoted and those companies moved their processing fast to someone else. Smart on their part for not going along with the extortion tactics but they ended up losing money and so did I.

It is iBill that collected it and stole it. So instead of spending OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY on booths, hotels, airfare and whatever else pay up.

THAT IS WHY WE ARE NEGATIVE :321GFY

EDIT: Double post for some reason.

GCARD is not owned by ibill they said, all GCARD funds are hold by GCARD and not touched by IBILL they said. Well, as of today, IBILL owes me $8000 for 2 pay periods, plus $2000 for holdbacks due me 3 months ago, plus $10,000 from last year. FUCK YOU IBILL FOR FUCKING UP MY CHRISTMAS AGAIN, FUCK YOU IBILL FOR NOT ANSWERING MY FUCKING CALLS AND EMAILS. I WILL SEE AT THE INTERNEXT EXPO In VEGAS, AND IM GONA MAKE A FUCKING SHOW OUTA YOUR MOTHERFUCKING LYING ASSES. may god curse you and everyone who works for you!!!

Motherfucking IBILl waited all year then added all the chargebacks into my two last checks. Had they told me about chargebacks, I would have budgeted to make up the diffrence, but insted, they took 90% of my money in charge backs. At the same time, they owe me for holdbacks that is due for October, November, and December. when I asked about this on december 1st, I was told they will pay it with my December 15th check to make up for the chargebacks they took. Well, where is it? I made $6000 in sales for the 15th period, I got a check on the 21st for $400. Where is my holdback? why didnt you pay me? No answer from IBILL. They are quick to take what we owe, but slow to pay us what is owed. FUCK YOU IBILL FOR FUCKING UP MY CHRISTMAS AGAIN. FUCKING IBILL FOR LYING TO ME OVER AND OVER. I for one, lost all faith in you and your motherfucking company. Im now left with no money to run my motherfucking site nor any money to pay my bills or buy my kids anything for Xmas. FUCK YOU IBILL AND FUCK ANYONE WHO EVER DOES BUSINESS WITH YOU AGAIN.

samo... they are lying again with claims gKard is not "owned" by iBill. Or, let's put it this way - it's a matter of which side of the desk the corp paperwork happens to be today.

gKard is another Galanis (of the "scam people out of their homes" and "let's make some drugs" family) operation - and the same asshole claimed to be "just a shareholder" in iBill, but is also a "shareholder" in IBDI. Galanis, along with the Mexican Doc were two prime motivators in screwing iBill in the first instance.

Sorry to hear about your bullshit with them.

:1orglaugh They are still in business?

After reading these posts, I feel bad for the people who trusted Ibill. If it is true that they were forcibly evicted from their offices, that tells me Ibill is a sleazebag operation.

I cannot defend a company that deliberately lies and rips people off.

Ibill should do the honorable thing and cancel any appearance at the Vegas convention where they will be partying it up every night.

The wire from the 12/15 came in some days ago and the wire from 12/21 came yesterday.

What's this thread doing on page 2?? :winkwink:

Was that a BUMP??

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

wonder why you still us them?

For those saying they have rebills stuck in IBill and thats why they send new transactions - get your data out!

Within the first weeks of IBill problems more than a year ago, we got our data from them imported to CCBill :thumbsup

That's what a smart person would have done.....now with the new staff they have though, not sure you'll have any luck to get them to give it to you :disgust

I know everyone is jumping all over you but come on...be happy with partial payments? this is not my hobby its my career...you know puts food on the table and a roof over my head. Think their might be a little negativitiy if a company decided not to pay their workers...or sorry bank I cant pay my mortgage this month but maybe I'll get you next month