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C H R I S · 12-15-2005, 12:04 PM

Couple points:

Before everyone slams me - realize that I work in sales for AVN Online- not marketing. So I was not aware of this mailer. But I would like to address peoples complaints.

We do take complaints seriously. If you recieved a mail peice and do not want to get them in the future - follow the steps below. If you just want to complain - and not take the steps to stop future mailing please dont complain again!

I come from a direct response background, the company I used to work for was considered the BMG of Porn - mailing out up to 5 million hardcore mailing pieces monthly - so I do understand that people can be offended by receiving adult oriented mailings - if you do not want them - do something about it.

1. If you do not want to receive mail from AVN - send mail or e-mail to me and I will have you removed from the list. Realize that you will not receive any more mailings from AVN including AVN and AVN Online. We do not want to send anything to people who do not want it.

2. Anyone on our mailing list has at some point contacted or been in contact with AVN and has requested magazines or other info from AVN.

3. If you do not want to receive junk mail in general - go to http://www.the-dma.org/ and add your self to the do not mail list. Every DMA member is required to merge mailings against this list.

4. Come you work in porn.... your mailman already thought you were gay -- just kidding.

Cheers

BoyAlley · 12-15-2005, 12:05 PM

Why not admit that AVN fucked up, and promise everyone that from now on everything will be mailed discreetly?

candyflip · 12-15-2005, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

jackass response to a serious issue

Good edit.

EDIT* you changed it again

Triple 6 · 12-15-2005, 12:08 PM

pathetic, to say the least

sicone · 12-15-2005, 12:09 PM

I'm not worried about my mailman

what concerns me is my kid seeing this

All of your other mail comes in a black plastic wrapper to cover up what is on it, why not with this mailer?

I understand that you dont work in the marketing dept, but perhaps you can raise this issue with the person in charge over there.

Also, its not that I dont want to receive your mailers/mag, but a little discretion goes a long way.

C H R I S · 12-15-2005, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Why not admit that AVN fucked up, and promise everyone that from now on everything will be mailed discreetly?

I've seen this complaint before - so I am not going to promise that you wont get another mailing peice. If you dont want mailings - then ask to be removed -thats the only gaurantee.

We cross sell to alot of our clients , as many work in gay and staright market.

p1mpdogg · 12-15-2005, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNChris

I've seen this complaint before - so I am not going to promise that you wont get another mailing peice. If you dont want mailings - then ask to be removed -thats the only gaurantee.

We cross sell to alot of our clients , as many work in gay and staright market.

why not address the issue, and just make it discreet

C H R I S · 12-15-2005, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sicone

I'm not worried about my mailman

what concerns me is my kid seeing this

All of your other mail comes in a black plastic wrapper to cover up what is on it, why not with this mailer?

I understand that you dont work in the marketing dept, but perhaps you can raise this issue with the person in charge over there.

Also, its not that I dont want to receive your mailers/mag, but a little discretion goes a long way.

Agreed- I have not seen this piece. I will go to marketing department and have a talk with them. I'm sure there will be more discretion in the future.

sicone · 12-15-2005, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNChris

Agreed- I have not seen this piece. I will go to marketing department and have a talk with them. I'm sure there will be more discretion in the future.

thank you

BoyAlley · 12-15-2005, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNChris

We cross sell to alot of our clients , as many work in gay and staright market.

Hey, I'm a real life faggot and I didn't like getting this mailer. It wasn't the least bit appropriate in my opinion.

Doctor Dre · 12-15-2005, 12:31 PM

There was already dozen of complaints about AVN mailers not beeing discrete. And now it's the people's fault ?

Corporate bullshit attittude like that just piss me off. Fuck AVN. It's not our fault, it's yours !

Doctor Dre · 12-15-2005, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sicone

I'm not worried about my mailman

what concerns me is my kid seeing this

All of your other mail comes in a black plastic wrapper to cover up what is on it, why not with this mailer?

I understand that you dont work in the marketing dept, but perhaps you can raise this issue with the person in charge over there.

Also, its not that I dont want to receive your mailers/mag, but a little discretion goes a long way.

I remember last year when thoses issues were raised . Somebody claimed to be the bridge between webmasters and AVN . And look at that again... what a fucking mess.

Doctor Dre · 12-15-2005, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNChris

I've seen this complaint before - so I am not going to promise that you wont get another mailing peice. If you dont want mailings - then ask to be removed -thats the only gaurantee.

We cross sell to alot of our clients , as many work in gay and staright market.

Start reading what webmasters WANT. They want discreet packaging, not opt out.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 12-15-2005, 12:38 PM

I do not understand why pussy's wanna hide what they are, where ever they are.
Always playing the big time pornographer yet snivel about getting a new mag in the mail.

No wonder Christian mother fuckers think they got the upper hand and try and control us, most of you are afraid to stand up and are ashamed.

If ya got kids...
I got a novel Idea...

Do not have industry mags sent to you're fucking home or trailer or what ever.

Duh.

C H R I S · 12-15-2005, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

I do not understand why pussy's wanna hide what they are, where ever they are.
Always playing the big time pornographer yet snivel about getting a new mag in the mail.

No wonder Christian mother fuckers think they got the upper hand and try and control us, most of you are afraid to stand up and are ashamed.

If ya got kids...
I got a novel Idea...

Do not have industry mags sent to you're fucking home or trailer or what ever.

Duh.

Expo_Vids · 12-15-2005, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNChris

Couple points:

Before everyone slams me - realize that I work in sales for AVN Online- not marketing. So I was not aware of this mailer. But I would like to address peoples complaints.

We do take complaints seriously. If you recieved a mail peice and do not want to get them in the future - follow the steps below. If you just want to complain - and not take the steps to stop future mailing please dont complain again!

I come from a direct response background, the company I used to work for was considered the BMG of Porn - mailing out up to 5 million hardcore mailing pieces monthly - so I do understand that people can be offended by receiving adult oriented mailings - if you do not want them - do something about it.

1. If you do not want to receive mail from AVN - send mail or e-mail to me and I will have you removed from the list. Realize that you will not receive any more mailings from AVN including AVN and AVN Online. We do not want to send anything to people who do not want it.

2. Anyone on our mailing list has at some point contacted or been in contact with AVN and has requested magazines or other info from AVN.

3. If you do not want to receive junk mail in general - go to http://www.the-dma.org/ and add your self to the do not mail list. Every DMA member is required to merge mailings against this list.

4. Come you work in porn.... your mailman already thought you were gay -- just kidding.

Cheers

Can you put me on the mailing list for the magazine?

C H R I S · 12-15-2005, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

I do not understand why pussy's wanna hide what they are, where ever they are.
Always playing the big time pornographer yet snivel about getting a new mag in the mail.

No wonder Christian mother fuckers think they got the upper hand and try and control us, most of you are afraid to stand up and are ashamed.

If ya got kids...
I got a novel Idea...

Do not have industry mags sent to you're fucking home or trailer or what ever.

Duh.

By the way anyone who wants tyo subscribe - go to www.avnonline.com/subscribe

The Truth Hurts · 12-15-2005, 12:49 PM

yeah stop being chicken shit pussies...

on the other hand... i've signed up to get avn multiple times and still don't get any mail from them... who's cock do I gotta such to get the magazine?

C H R I S · 12-15-2005, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Expo_Vids

Can you put me on the mailing list for the magazine?

Go to www.avnonline.com/subscribe

C H R I S · 12-15-2005, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNChris

Go to www.avnonline.com/subscribe

or www.avn.com/subscribe

C H R I S · 12-15-2005, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts

yeah stop being chicken shit pussies...

on the other hand... i've signed up to get avn multiple times and still don't get any mail from them... who's cock do I gotta such to get the magazine?

try it agian - www.avnonline.com/subscribe or www.avn.com/subscribe

ContentSlut · 12-15-2005, 01:12 PM

I missed a lot in 2 hours

GonZo · 12-15-2005, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNChris

4. Come you work in porn.... your mailman already thought you were gay -- just kidding.

Thats only true if you work for AVN.

Biggy2 · 12-15-2005, 01:14 PM

is my decision either 1. accept mail that is not discreet or 2. remove from the list.

is there a 3rd option where I can choose to get the mailings, but discretely?

C H R I S · 12-15-2005, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggy2

is my decision either 1. accept mail that is not discreet or 2. remove from the list.

is there a 3rd option where I can choose to get the mailings, but discretely?

Yes we will work on being more discreet... good choice.

Cyndalie · 12-15-2005, 01:20 PM

Discreet is all we ask of AVN.

Can AVN work on merging mailers based on address - as we have attended many AVN shows over the years and registered attendees under our company name and address, we now get mailers for each name - often times up to 20 of the same mailer to our office - STACKS.

Can AVN please only send 1-2 mailers per ADDRESS rather than name?

Jace · 12-15-2005, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

I do not understand why pussy's wanna hide what they are, where ever they are.
Always playing the big time pornographer yet snivel about getting a new mag in the mail.

No wonder Christian mother fuckers think they got the upper hand and try and control us, most of you are afraid to stand up and are ashamed.

If ya got kids...
I got a novel Idea...

Do not have industry mags sent to you're fucking home or trailer or what ever.

Duh.

there we go....a rational response

fact remains, it isn't avn's responsibility to block porn from your child, it is your responsibility as a parent

and for those of you embarassed because you live in a small town or whatever.....deal with it or unsubscribe

I live in a small neighborhood and everyone is all up in my shit all the time....oh well, i am an adult and made my decision to get into this biz...if they don't like it, they can go to hell

being in porn is the LEAST of my worries when it comes to being discreet...LOL

baddog · 12-15-2005, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggy2

is my decision either 1. accept mail that is not discreet or 2. remove from the list.

is there a 3rd option where I can choose to get the mailings, but discretely?

apparently not. and AVN wonders why they have issues with webmasters

sicone · 12-15-2005, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

there we go....a rational response

I have said what I wanted to say...

but I never thought I would see somebody say that a AlienQ response was rational

BradM · 12-15-2005, 01:27 PM

Hey AVNChris, you're a fucking dick. Nice "fuck you" response to some pissed off people.

Do you have some gas? I am trying to put out a fire in my back yard.

Biggy2 · 12-15-2005, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNChris

Yes we will work on being more discreet... good choice.

You could always ask Xbiz. My Xbiz newspaper comes in nice blue packaging that hides the contents of the envelope nicely.

C H R I S · 12-15-2005, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

there we go....a rational response

fact remains, it isn't avn's responsibility to block porn from your child, it is your responsibility as a parent

and for those of you embarassed because you live in a small town or whatever.....deal with it or unsubscribe

I live in a small neighborhood and everyone is all up in my shit all the time....oh well, i am an adult and made my decision to get into this biz...if they don't like it, they can go to hell

being in porn is the LEAST of my worries when it comes to being discreet...LOL

Good points - but obviously there is a need for more discretion or people would not be so pissed off.

Loryn · 12-15-2005, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

I do not understand why pussy's wanna hide what they are, where ever they are.
Always playing the big time pornographer yet snivel about getting a new mag in the mail.

No wonder Christian mother fuckers think they got the upper hand and try and control us, most of you are afraid to stand up and are ashamed.

If ya got kids...
I got a novel Idea...

Do not have industry mags sent to you're fucking home or trailer or what ever.

Duh.

Just because someone doesn't like fucking in the streets or in front of people doesn't mean they are chicken shits. When I fuck I fuck at home or in a place where everyone can't see because I respect people and myself. Sending out a magazine with sex all over the cover (or whatever) and it's not covered is taking away my right to be private. It's not giving ME the option of keeping my sex life in the bedroom or sex business away from children or anyone else who may be around me at the time. They are making the decision for ME and it's not their decision to make. I am an atheist not a Christian and I still don't like people knowing about what I do in the privacy of my own home. If you want to fuck in the streets and walk up to strangers and shove your sex life in their face because you think it makes you a "REAL" person, then fine go ahead but don't tell me I am a chicken shit for having morals and not pushing my personal life on other people.

Loryn · 12-15-2005, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggy2

You could always ask Xbiz. My Xbiz newspaper comes in nice blue packaging that hides the contents of the envelope nicely.

EXACTLY!!!!!!

Loryn · 12-15-2005, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

apparently not. and AVN wonders why they have issues with webmasters

Good Point

Loryn · 12-15-2005, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Hey, I'm a real life faggot and I didn't like getting this mailer. It wasn't the least bit appropriate in my opinion.

"Hey, I'm a real life faggot" That made me laugh out loud!

I've only met fake ones before. haha j/k

And you are right, it is not appropriate.

Biggy · 12-15-2005, 01:41 PM

Discrete packaging for adult-related material through the mail is extremely hard for us to believe that people would want it. Thats why Playboy and every other major adult magazine does it, including one of AVN's biggest competitors: XBiz. Who would've thought people don't want to broadcast the porn part of their lives to everyone.

feclstrm · 12-15-2005, 01:48 PM

so our only option is to opt out?

Cool I am opting out of AVN ... Everything to do with them if they cannot use discretion and only give me a choice to opt out. I am going to fix my hosts file on my machine now so no more AVN correspondances come through my machine and all mail from AVN thats not discreet will be turned over to my district attorney to see what my local laws are.

Thanks for the opt out choice.

Toolz · 12-15-2005, 02:12 PM

Hey at least it didn't say PUSSY all over it like their last non-descrete mailing

Oh yeah, they'll work on changing it..... wait 6 months, I think GAY HARDCORE COCK SUCKING will be the phrase on the outside of the package next time.

SmokeyTheBear · 12-15-2005, 02:18 PM

regardless of content , catering to your customers is a NO BRAINER.

If you customers say they like PINk , you USE FUCKING PINK , if they say they like green you get fucking green , if they say we want discreet packaging YOU GET DICREET PACKAGING.

DIH · 12-15-2005, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNChris

1. If you do not want to receive mail from AVN - send mail or e-mail to me and I will have you removed from the list. Realize that you will not receive any more mailings from AVN including AVN and AVN Online. We do not want to send anything to people who do not want it.

How about this you dumb fuck... its bad enough that we subscribe to your magazines which are basically glorified adult yellowpages for adult dvd distributors and webmasters that have little to no edifiable content but we now have to endure your repeated and wasteful spam mails to our houses and businesses. It just goes to show how much your company doesnt give a fuck about its clientel that made it #1. Maybe what I shoud do is create a competing magazine that will shit on avn. I also think I will forget about putting that money aside that I was gonna spend to advertise my program in your magazine in 06 and perhaps give that to XBIZ since they know how to be discreet with their mailings and dont spam the shit out of their lists.

Shit its damn simple say hey we wont sent these dumb assed mailings anymore since its fucking redundant and wastefull. Youd have to be a fucktard not to know how or where to get tickets to the events.

We signed up for a magazine, not for junkmail ... u shitheads. Your marketing department must ride the short yellow bus to work and apperently your customer service department too.

Thee Johnclave · 12-15-2005, 02:23 PM

After that response it seems neither the marketing nor sales departments at AVN know the meaning of PR.

TexasDreams · 12-15-2005, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loryn-Adult.com

When I fuck I fuck at home or in a place where everyone can't see because I respect people and myself.

If you really wanted to show the GFY crowd some respect, you should set up a webcam for that!

Theo · 12-15-2005, 02:24 PM

you fucked up big this time. Regardless if we work in porn,if the mailman thinks we are gay or not, if you haven't fired the one responsible behind this your operation is a joke.

circlekhabib · 12-15-2005, 02:38 PM

my state attorney general will deal with this.
congrats to the winners!

ssp · 12-17-2005, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNChris

4. Come you work in porn.... your mailman already thought you were gay -- just kidding.

Cheers

AaronM · 12-17-2005, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNChris

4. Come you work in porn.... your mailman already thought you were gay -- just kidding.

Fuck you, not funny.

You should be fired.

Juicy D. Links · 12-17-2005, 02:51 PM

No Joke , AVN needs some lessons in direct mail marketing.

LMK if you guys need help

aico · 12-17-2005, 03:01 PM

Or... you could have some fucking commonn sense and not mail out stupid fucking shit, kind of like the rest of the smart business world does.

You're "marketing" team needs to go back to school, because I have done very little marketing and I can tell you that more people would have opened and actually read your stupid fucking mailing had it just said AVN on the return address on a plain envelope. Rather than throw it in the fucking trash and waste all the money your employeers paid for it.

I got 2, neither of them were addressed to anyone who lived here, or has ever lived here or been part of my company. Both went unopened into the trash in under 2 seconds. That's some pretty awesome fucking marketing skills.

I am sure gay mailmen everywhere will be signing up for whatever the fuck you were promoting.

DaddyHalbucks · 12-17-2005, 03:26 PM

I was shocked when I got the GAYVN mailer.

But, hey, a big time pimp like me has no worries.

;)

12-15-2005, 12:05 PM	#2
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12-15-2005, 12:08 PM	#4
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12-15-2005, 12:09 PM	#5
sicone Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sac Posts: 18,453	I'm not worried about my mailman what concerns me is my kid seeing this All of your other mail comes in a black plastic wrapper to cover up what is on it, why not with this mailer? I understand that you dont work in the marketing dept, but perhaps you can raise this issue with the person in charge over there. Also, its not that I dont want to receive your mailers/mag, but a little discretion goes a long way. __________________

12-15-2005, 12:38 PM	#14
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	I do not understand why pussy's wanna hide what they are, where ever they are. Always playing the big time pornographer yet snivel about getting a new mag in the mail. No wonder Christian mother fuckers think they got the upper hand and try and control us, most of you are afraid to stand up and are ashamed. If ya got kids... I got a novel Idea... Do not have industry mags sent to you're fucking home or trailer or what ever. Duh. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 12-15-2005 at 12:40 PM..

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12-15-2005, 12:04 PM	#1
C H R I S Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Marina Del Rey Posts: 10,842	AVN Mailers Couple points: Before everyone slams me - realize that I work in sales for AVN Online- not marketing. So I was not aware of this mailer. But I would like to address peoples complaints. We do take complaints seriously. If you recieved a mail peice and do not want to get them in the future - follow the steps below. If you just want to complain - and not take the steps to stop future mailing please dont complain again! I come from a direct response background, the company I used to work for was considered the BMG of Porn - mailing out up to 5 million hardcore mailing pieces monthly - so I do understand that people can be offended by receiving adult oriented mailings - if you do not want them - do something about it. 1. If you do not want to receive mail from AVN - send mail or e-mail to me and I will have you removed from the list. Realize that you will not receive any more mailings from AVN including AVN and AVN Online. We do not want to send anything to people who do not want it. 2. Anyone on our mailing list has at some point contacted or been in contact with AVN and has requested magazines or other info from AVN. 3. If you do not want to receive junk mail in general - go to http://www.the-dma.org/ and add your self to the do not mail list. Every DMA member is required to merge mailings against this list. 4. Come you work in porn.... your mailman already thought you were gay -- just kidding. Cheers __________________ C H R I S Retired Porn Veteran BH4L

12-15-2005, 12:49 PM	#18
The Truth Hurts Zph7YXfjMhg Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In Your Skull Posts: 15,304	yeah stop being chicken shit pussies... on the other hand... i've signed up to get avn multiple times and still don't get any mail from them... who's cock do I gotta such to get the magazine?

12-15-2005, 01:14 PM	#24
Biggy2 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,821	is my decision either 1. accept mail that is not discreet or 2. remove from the list. is there a 3rd option where I can choose to get the mailings, but discretely?

12-15-2005, 01:20 PM	#26
Cyndalie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 3,615	Discreet is all we ask of AVN. Can AVN work on merging mailers based on address - as we have attended many AVN shows over the years and registered attendees under our company name and address, we now get mailers for each name - often times up to 20 of the same mailer to our office - STACKS. Can AVN please only send 1-2 mailers per ADDRESS rather than name? __________________ Cyndalie Marketing Director StoriesTraffic.com

12-15-2005, 01:27 PM	#30
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	Hey AVNChris, you're a fucking dick. Nice "fuck you" response to some pissed off people. Do you have some gas? I am trying to put out a fire in my back yard.

12-15-2005, 01:41 PM	#37
Biggy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,595	Discrete packaging for adult-related material through the mail is extremely hard for us to believe that people would want it. Thats why Playboy and every other major adult magazine does it, including one of AVN's biggest competitors: XBiz. Who would've thought people don't want to broadcast the porn part of their lives to everyone.

12-15-2005, 01:48 PM	#38
feclstrm Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 54	so our only option is to opt out? Cool I am opting out of AVN ... Everything to do with them if they cannot use discretion and only give me a choice to opt out. I am going to fix my hosts file on my machine now so no more AVN correspondances come through my machine and all mail from AVN thats not discreet will be turned over to my district attorney to see what my local laws are. Thanks for the opt out choice.

12-15-2005, 02:12 PM	#39
Toolz Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Podunk Posts: 690	Hey at least it didn't say PUSSY all over it like their last non-descrete mailing Oh yeah, they'll work on changing it..... wait 6 months, I think GAY HARDCORE COCK SUCKING will be the phrase on the outside of the package next time.

12-15-2005, 02:18 PM	#40
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	regardless of content , catering to your customers is a NO BRAINER. If you customers say they like PINk , you USE FUCKING PINK , if they say they like green you get fucking green , if they say we want discreet packaging YOU GET DICREET PACKAGING. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

12-15-2005, 02:23 PM	#42
Thee Johnclave The Billz Collectaz Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 632	After that response it seems neither the marketing nor sales departments at AVN know the meaning of PR. __________________ Seeking large traffic deals. john at pptme dot com

12-15-2005, 02:24 PM	#44
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	you fucked up big this time. Regardless if we work in porn,if the mailman thinks we are gay or not, if you haven't fired the one responsible behind this your operation is a joke.

12-15-2005, 02:38 PM	#45
circlekhabib Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 490	my state attorney general will deal with this. congrats to the winners!

12-17-2005, 02:51 PM	#48
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	No Joke , AVN needs some lessons in direct mail marketing. LMK if you guys need help

12-17-2005, 03:01 PM	#49
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	Or... you could have some fucking commonn sense and not mail out stupid fucking shit, kind of like the rest of the smart business world does. You're "marketing" team needs to go back to school, because I have done very little marketing and I can tell you that more people would have opened and actually read your stupid fucking mailing had it just said AVN on the return address on a plain envelope. Rather than throw it in the fucking trash and waste all the money your employeers paid for it. I got 2, neither of them were addressed to anyone who lived here, or has ever lived here or been part of my company. Both went unopened into the trash in under 2 seconds. That's some pretty awesome fucking marketing skills. I am sure gay mailmen everywhere will be signing up for whatever the fuck you were promoting.

12-17-2005, 03:26 PM	#50
DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	I was shocked when I got the GAYVN mailer. But, hey, a big time pimp like me has no worries. ;) __________________ Boner Money