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Martin · 12-16-2005, 04:28 PM

Im sorry, going to piss alot of people off by saying that but I can't make a fucking sale to save my ass with programs that use Nats. There for Im no longer sending any traffic to programs that use it.

Peace out.

KrisW · 12-16-2005, 04:32 PM

Yes it must suck to have a great program prove you cant sell/convert worth shit. Blaming NATS just proves how much you suck at your selling porn.

Baker Rd · 12-16-2005, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisW

Yes it must suck to have a great program prove you cant sell/convert worth shit. Blaming NATS just proves how much you suck at your selling porn.

stupid newbie

sonofsam · 12-16-2005, 04:34 PM

Nats isn't a payment processor, it just cascades for you... it has nothing to do with the billing/scrubbing

Theo · 12-16-2005, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

Nats isn't a payment processor, it just cascades for you... it has nothing to do with the billing/scrubbing

get back to your paintings

KrisW · 12-16-2005, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Baker Rd

stupid newbie

ofcourse, because before I signed up for GFY I wasent a webmaster. You cant have more than 7 years in the business and not post all day in GFY - You are right

Manowar · 12-16-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisW

ofcourse, because before I signed up for GFY I wasent a webmaster. You cant have more than 7 years in the business and not post all day in GFY - You are right

nice going

TMM_John · 12-16-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

Im sorry, going to piss alot of people off by saying that but I can't make a fucking sale to save my ass with programs that use Nats. There for Im no longer sending any traffic to programs that use it.

Peace out.

Tell whichever competitor getting you to post I said "Hi!"

KrisW · 12-16-2005, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

nice going

im a noob, because I just signed up for GFY

Martin · 12-16-2005, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisW

ofcourse, because before I signed up for GFY I wasent a webmaster. You cant have more than 7 years in the business and not post all day in GFY - You are right

Hey nice stats asshole. I don't give a rats ass if you can.. Im saying I CANT! Doesn't seem to work for me.. Don't know wtf is going on.

TMM_John · 12-16-2005, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

Hey nice stats asshole. I don't give a rats ass if you can.. Im saying I CANT! Doesn't seem to work for me.. Don't know wtf is going on.

If you feel you have a legitimate problem with a NATS sponsor or several please contact us with details and we'll be glad to take a look and see if there are any issues.

Posting a thread like this is just plain childish. The software behind the program doesn't make it impossible to convert for you. Threads blaming CCBill for having 1:5000 ratios or blaming other softwares for lack of sales on the part of an affiliate make as little sense as this one.

Maybe you're promoting a teen site from a mature TGP or a lesbian site from a hardcore facials free site. Usually those who complain are doing something silly like this or having a streak of bad luck.

If you feel there really is a PROBLEM with the software then contact us so we can take a look.

What is the point of this thread really? Why do you feel the need to tell the world that you can't convert your traffic?

KrisW · 12-16-2005, 04:52 PM

I bet if you post the programs you use, and how you promote it, we can help you finetune and make some x-mass money

Dirty Dane · 12-16-2005, 04:53 PM

Nothing bad with NATS, except they miss one thing..in fact the most important thing; payment statements - and this is even more important now when you have to deal with many checks/wires instead of one, like with ccbill.

TMM_John · 12-16-2005, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Nothing bad with NATS, except they miss one thing..in fact the most important thing; payment statements - and this is even more important now when you have to deal with many checks/wires instead of one, like with ccbill.

Rest assured it is on it's way with version 3

It's a complaint many people have. You'll be able to easily access full payment records for NATS programs once they are moved to v3.

v3 is being released at Internext.

KrisW · 12-16-2005, 04:54 PM

Tell you what. We use NATS and If you use some of our gallerys (natural babes) and you submit them to good tgps approved by us, I guarantee you make at 1:1000 (most of our affiliates do between 1:200 and 1:500. I will personally pay you if you don't make 1:1000 with our program

Martin · 12-16-2005, 04:54 PM

Okay maybe my thread title was worded wrong... I should of put "Programs that use Nats Suck ass for ME"

Basic_man · 12-16-2005, 04:55 PM

Yeah, moron. Get back to your CCBill and Ibill sponsors..

Niklas · 12-16-2005, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Nothing bad with NATS, except they miss one thing..in fact the most important thing; payment statements - and this is even more important now when you have to deal with many checks/wires instead of one, like with ccbill.

This is why I use Excel to list all sponsors how much I made with the each month and how much they paid me. Thats an easy way to keep track of exactly how much money you're owed from each sponsor

TMM_John · 12-16-2005, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

Okay maybe my thread title was worded wrong... I should of put "Programs that use Nats Suck ass for ME"

Thanks. I still think if it's THAT bad then there could be a problem and we'd be happy to take a look, please icq fabian at 1889711 with some details.

If you had a ratio of 0-1:a few thousand thats normal from time to time, things fluxuate.

If you had a ratio of 0-1:10,000 or something then there could very well be a problem.

We're more than happy to take a look. All you have to do is ask. The angry threads don't really help anyone out

Just Mike · 12-16-2005, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Tell whichever competitor getting you to post I said "Hi!"

Dude! thats a lame response...

isn't it possible the guy just had an issue with your Proggie and was not posting on behalf of a "competitor"? Seems like you guys are a little insecure over there

Martin · 12-16-2005, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisW

Tell you what. If you use some of out gallerys (natural babes) and you submit them to good tgps, I garantee you make at 1:1000 (most of our afiliates do between 1:200 and 1:500. I will personally pay you if you dont make 1:1000 with our program

That's a nice offer bro... But thanks anyway.. Im going to stick with promoting my own paysites from now on..

ps - sorry for calling you an asshole. Seem like a nice guy.

KrisW · 12-16-2005, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

That's a nice offer bro... But thanks anyway.. Im going to stick with promoting my own paysites from now on..

ps - sorry for calling you an asshole. Seem like a nice guy.

apology accepted

let me know if you change your mind

[email protected] <- offer still stands

TMM_John · 12-16-2005, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sexentertain_mike

Dude! thats a lame response...

isn't it possible the guy just had an issue with your Proggie and was not posting on behalf of a "competitor"? Seems like you guys are a little insecure over there

No more lame than your reply back to it. The shit I hear behind the scenes (and even bluntly on the boards) makes me never doubt shit like that is going on.

KrisW · 12-16-2005, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sexentertain_mike

Dude! thats a lame response...

isn't it possible the guy just had an issue with your Proggie and was not posting on behalf of a "competitor"? Seems like you guys are a little insecure over there

I don't think it was meant as anything else than a humorist's remark

Dirty Dane · 12-16-2005, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Niklas

This is why I use Excel to list all sponsors how much I made with the each month and how much they paid me. Thats an easy way to keep track of exactly how much money you're owed from each sponsor

Well.. its a good way to keep accounting, but alot of waste time if you have like 1000 sponsors

TMM_John · 12-16-2005, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisW

I don't think it was meant as anything else than a humorist's remark

Half and half. Mostly in humor but I never put it past many people.

KrisW · 12-16-2005, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Well.. its a good way to keep accounting, but alot of waste time if you have like 1000 sponsors

I did the excel thing before, but after I got unifiedstats ( www.unifiedstats.com ) it only takes me about 30 minutes a month.
Copy - paste - data2colums - Vlookup = done

Dirty Dane · 12-16-2005, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisW

I did the excel thing before, but after I got unifiedstats ( www.unifiedstats.com ) it only takes me about 30 minutes a month.
Copy - paste - data2colums - Vlookup = done

Does it show payment statements? If not, then it still doesnt solve the waste time problem.

wedouglas · 12-16-2005, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisW

Tell you what. We use NATS and If you use some of our gallerys (natural babes) and you submit them to good tgps approved by us, I guarantee you make at 1:1000 (most of our affiliates do between 1:200 and 1:500. I will personally pay you if you don't make 1:1000 with our program

Hey will you make me that offer? I could use some extra cash

KrisW · 12-16-2005, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Does it show payment statements? If not, then it still doesnt solve the waste time problem.

no - what I do is I copy it to excel, and then update the spreadsheet every time I get a Epass, wire or check

That way I have a
| sponsor-name | program-type | Profit Generated | Profit Received | Diff

If the "diff" have grown more than 100% from one month to the next, its because we haven't received payment, and then my macro flags it with a red "X"

So like i said, I still use Excell, but it only takes 30 minutes

KrisW · 12-16-2005, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wedouglas

Hey will you make me that offer? I could use some extra cash

Send me a mail with your icq, then my boss will hit you up and have a chat - but the answer is most likely "Yes"

[email protected]

Dirty Dane · 12-16-2005, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisW

no - what I do is I copy it to excel, and then update the spreadsheet every time I get a Epass, wire or check

That way I have a
| sponsor-name | program-type | Profit Generated | Profit Received | Diff

If the "diff" have grown more than 100% from one month to the next, its because we haven't received payment, and then my macro flags it with a red "X"

So like i said, I still use Excell, but it only takes 30 minutes

Yes its a good way to do the accounting. But what I mean is if the program does not have payment statements is the same as lack of communication. If I miss a payment I would normally first check if it is sent, but if I cant do that it takes a lot of time trying to find out whats going on... first program, then bank or postal service and so on. And if I had a program without the statements, it will take a lot of time to answer all affiliates who ask for their payments in email or on ICQ etc.
And the smaller the payments (with many sponsors) the more expensive it becomes.

KrisW · 12-16-2005, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Yes its a good way to do the accounting. But what I mean is if the program does not have payment statements is the same as lack of communication. If I miss a payment I would normally first check if it is sent, but if I cant do that it takes a lot of time trying to find out whats going on... first program, then bank or postal service and so on. And if I had a program without the statements, it will take a lot of time to answer all affiliates who ask for their payments in email or on ICQ etc.
And the smaller the payments (with many sponsors) the more expensive it becomes.

I agree 100%

BlingDaddy · 12-16-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisW

no - what I do is I copy it to excel, and then update the spreadsheet every time I get a Epass, wire or check

That way I have a
| sponsor-name | program-type | Profit Generated | Profit Received | Diff

If the "diff" have grown more than 100% from one month to the next, its because we haven't received payment, and then my macro flags it with a red "X"

So like i said, I still use Excell, but it only takes 30 minutes

You're not the only one... I use Excel in conjunction with Statsremote.

Not to turn the thread into an accounting thread. I have sponsors that use NATS and some that don't.... a base my decision on the cash... not the system. I'd promote a fuckin monkey with an abacus if it converts within my limit.

John69 · 12-16-2005, 05:58 PM

I would rather send hits to a Nats sponsor then just a plain ccbill code.

bigdog · 12-17-2005, 04:23 AM

Martin maybe the nats sponsors you are using just don't convert well, has nothing to do with the nats software

phonesex · 12-17-2005, 04:26 AM

deeezzz sleazzzzz

circlekhabib · 12-17-2005, 07:00 AM

evidently some of you don't know martin.
he's one of the better gallery builders around
and has more than enough experience and
expertise to have validity in anything he says.

personally no webmaster has ever proven to me
or can prove that a cascade makes them more money.
it's only the program owners that say so.

ask yourself;
why is that?

DutchTeenCash · 12-17-2005, 07:18 AM

Im sure there are lotsa other details why ratios went down, nats might be one cause they set cascade to a processor that scrubs more for instance, but there gotta be other reasons

chadglni · 12-17-2005, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkx

Im sure there are lotsa other details why ratios went down, nats might be one cause they set cascade to a processor that scrubs more for instance, but there gotta be other reasons

Because they cut their own checks thus eliminating the 3rd party verification that affiliates are paid properly?

jerzeemedia · 12-17-2005, 07:28 AM

KrisW,

Is that realitycash? Nice stats.

-JM

andrej_NDC · 12-17-2005, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jerzeemedia

KrisW,

Is that realitycash? Nice stats.

-JM

I hope its not them, because 1:600 second page is far from nice.

bigdog · 12-17-2005, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by circlekhabib

evidently some of you don't know martin.
he's one of the better gallery builders around
and has more than enough experience and
expertise to have validity in anything he says.

personally no webmaster has ever proven to me
or can prove that a cascade makes them more money.
it's only the program owners that say so.

ask yourself;
why is that?

I know martin is a big gallery whore, but seems like he is blaming nats for his lack of joins. I think with so many program using nats these days it just makes it easier to put them all in one group and say they suck. I can name 7 programs that use nats off the top of my head, I can't do that for any other affilate software.

1215 · 12-17-2005, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KrisW

Send me a mail with your icq, then my boss will hit you up and have a chat - but the answer is most likely "Yes"

[email protected]

I emailed you. Hope you dont mind my interest.

Also, John, when you having another nats party!!!???

DutchTeenCash · 12-17-2005, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

Because they cut their own checks thus eliminating the 3rd party verification that affiliates are paid properly?

well its an option for nats programs to NOT pay properly but imho thats the end of the program, if someone finds out or an ex rep posts, we had some simular shit bout a program not paying rebills remember... that didnt end nice for the owner as well..

bigdog · 12-18-2005, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkx

well its an option for nats programs to NOT pay properly but imho thats the end of the program, if someone finds out or an ex rep posts, we had some simular shit bout a program not paying rebills remember... that didnt end nice for the owner as well..

That is one thing that sucks now. A lot of smaller programs are doign their own payouts, and you have to rely on them

DutchTeenCash · 12-18-2005, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

That is one thing that sucks now. A lot of smaller programs are doign their own payouts, and you have to rely on them

I agree, but since Ive got no experience with huge checks on these smaller programs doing nats, how are they doing? whats payment on epass or check? I know bigger ones are like 3-5 days max on epass after the 15 or 30 days period.

Thats reasonable, so whats the backlog?

Hell Puppy · 12-18-2005, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin

Okay maybe my thread title was worded wrong... I should of put "Programs that use Nats Suck ass for ME"

Here's a tip for ya... Put your link code on your links to the sites.

Tip #2: Dont expect any signups til you get at least 10 or so visitors to your site.

Raven · 12-18-2005, 06:09 AM

We've had affiliates write to our support asking for help with converting a particular site. Not everyone has a handle on bukkake, for instance, or Britney, the cutie hottie from cumtrainer.com.....we're here to help.

I can understand your frustration, Martin....my first inclination is to always hold responsible the Universe, the billing company..yeah, even NATS...so convenient not to look at my own sales tactics...

Using myself as an example, I'm supposed to be an 'expert' on niches and fetishes...yet, I couldn't sell a lesbian or Asian program to save my life. Tragic, but true.

You've been around for a while, Martin...if it's a NATS issue, John and the guys will help. If it is a sponsor issue, write to them and ask for help...if it's you, then that's something to deal with, too....

Good luck to you.

Hey You . . . I Know You! · 12-18-2005, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin

Programs that use nats suck.

When I read, "nats suck," I can't help but see "nut sack."

12-16-2005, 04:28 PM	#1
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	Programs that use nats suck. Im sorry, going to piss alot of people off by saying that but I can't make a fucking sale to save my ass with programs that use Nats. There for Im no longer sending any traffic to programs that use it. Peace out. __________________

12-16-2005, 04:34 PM	#4
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12-16-2005, 04:54 PM	#15
KrisW For cybersex, do I need a hole in my monitor? Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 201	Tell you what. We use NATS and If you use some of our gallerys (natural babes) and you submit them to good tgps approved by us, I guarantee you make at 1:1000 (most of our affiliates do between 1:200 and 1:500. I will personally pay you if you don't make 1:1000 with our program Last edited by KrisW; 12-16-2005 at 04:56 PM..

12-16-2005, 04:54 PM	#16
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	Okay maybe my thread title was worded wrong... I should of put "Programs that use Nats Suck ass for ME" __________________

12-16-2005, 04:55 PM	#17
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12-16-2005, 04:32 PM	#2
KrisW For cybersex, do I need a hole in my monitor? Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 201	Yes it must suck to have a great program prove you cant sell/convert worth shit. Blaming NATS just proves how much you suck at your selling porn.

12-16-2005, 04:52 PM	#12
KrisW For cybersex, do I need a hole in my monitor? Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 201	I bet if you post the programs you use, and how you promote it, we can help you finetune and make some x-mass money

12-16-2005, 04:53 PM	#13
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	Nothing bad with NATS, except they miss one thing..in fact the most important thing; payment statements - and this is even more important now when you have to deal with many checks/wires instead of one, like with ccbill.

12-16-2005, 05:58 PM	#35
John69 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 942	I would rather send hits to a Nats sponsor then just a plain ccbill code.

12-17-2005, 04:23 AM	#36
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	Martin maybe the nats sponsors you are using just don't convert well, has nothing to do with the nats software

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12-17-2005, 07:00 AM	#38
circlekhabib Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 490	evidently some of you don't know martin. he's one of the better gallery builders around and has more than enough experience and expertise to have validity in anything he says. personally no webmaster has ever proven to me or can prove that a cascade makes them more money. it's only the program owners that say so. ask yourself; why is that?

12-17-2005, 07:18 AM	#39
DutchTeenCash I like Dutch Girls Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: dutchteencash.com Posts: 21,684	Im sure there are lotsa other details why ratios went down, nats might be one cause they set cascade to a processor that scrubs more for instance, but there gotta be other reasons __________________ ICQ 16 91 547 - SKYPE dutchteencash bob AT dutchteencash DOT com ... did you see our newest Sweet Natural Girl Priscilla (18)?

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12-18-2005, 06:09 AM	#49
Raven Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,874	We've had affiliates write to our support asking for help with converting a particular site. Not everyone has a handle on bukkake, for instance, or Britney, the cutie hottie from cumtrainer.com.....we're here to help. I can understand your frustration, Martin....my first inclination is to always hold responsible the Universe, the billing company..yeah, even NATS...so convenient not to look at my own sales tactics... Using myself as an example, I'm supposed to be an 'expert' on niches and fetishes...yet, I couldn't sell a lesbian or Asian program to save my life. Tragic, but true. You've been around for a while, Martin...if it's a NATS issue, John and the guys will help. If it is a sponsor issue, write to them and ask for help...if it's you, then that's something to deal with, too.... Good luck to you. __________________ Raven ~RETIRED~