There's a big difference in not wanting to work, and not wanting to waste time though.

I've allways made my own stuff when promoting and never used fhg's and other hosted/premade stuff because i find that the self made promos simply sell better and make me more money, and i've never minded spending that time and work..

..however when having to search through a program to find my reff codes 4-5 pages deep just because the script comes with some options that aren't activated for the site anyways, then that's wasting the time i could have spent working.

Something that anoys me even more is downloading a lot of content that i can't use anyways because there wasn't a propper preview of what i was getting, programs like that i pretty soon just stop using as they just waste the time i could otherwise have been working with something more productive.

Good thing about it all though, is that when you get tirred enough of things like that you can make your own program and try to make things right :winkwink: Don't know if we did this with rewardthem, guess that would be for our affiliates to judge, but we sure did make things easy to get and made good previews for everything.

I agree mate. Don't get me wrong. I've had Franck as an affiliate, he is one of the few out there that knows what the Hell he's doing. It's the others who think just because Franck can do it, they can too and have no idea the time he spends or the quality of traffic he has.

I honestly don't get, if you don't like your affiliates then cut them off and use your own traffic

hell, if I was a program owner I'd love to have affiliates that send at least 50 signups a day, never bitch, never seek support, never bother me on ICQ, but unfortunately in real that doesn't happen

yup, I got your point, man :)

I understand thats why ours is easy to grab what you need and fast. and we are going to streamline it even more..

Every one want's affilaites that can send 50 signups a day, the sad truth is that anyone who can send 50 signups a day opens up their own program.

"Better to have 100 sending 1 a day, then 2 sending 50 a day" rings true. Unfortuantely, out of that 100, maybe 30 can send 1 or more a day.

You think it's complaining, I'm voicing my views on how different webmasters have become. Take it for what it's worth.

i see more of the guys who do real well with tgps and galleries in particular opening up their own paysites

well, I'm hoping to have my own program by the end of next year (knocking on wood) so may be then I'll understand your point better, but I've seen so many threads on GFY where it's US vs THEM (sponsors vs affiliates) and they don't really make sense to me

are the affiliates more spoiled and demanding than 2-3 years ago? I'm sure they are but take a look how many programs they can choose from...

Might have something to do with when you send traffic to yourself you see signups from the same traffic go up 30% or more... ;-))

5k to the right outsourced design company gets you a handful of your own paysites ...spend a thou a mth on content...and you are away. :)

Good luck to you on opening your own program. :)

Affiliates are about the same 2 to 3 years ago, that's when all this FHG mania took off. Notice as well that having affiliate managers got real big to handle the affiliaite service.

As I said earlier, we had alot of traffic and signups, so we opened up our own pay sites circa 2000/2001.

50...... :pimp

All our promo content and interface can be checked WITHOUT signing up.

http://www.totemcash.com/free/tools.php

Our galleries listing can be formated any way you want:

http://www.totemcash.com/free/tools....ge=&ad=YOUR_ID

I don't know if we're under the 5 seconds bar, but at least you can verify it without signing up :)

right, its so easy :) make your own paysite and make more instantly...sorry to dissapoint you, but if you dont know much about the niche, you will end with making 10 times less.

Things have changed since. Now an affiliate job is to send as much tarketed traffic as possible, not wasting our time modifying FHG one at a time.

I so much agree with you Franck, it's not interresting to waste time searching for links/promo all the time :Oh crap

Ummm, I don't think you want to argue this with him. When we opened up our own paysites, we went from 150-200 signups a day to over 300.

Oh so you mean those of us before FHG's and promo items didn't get and send targetted traffic?

Please, tell that to someone who will believe you.

No. I'm just telling you things have change.

Maybe you promoted bad paysites when you made 150-200? :) But I opened my program for the same reason, I wasnt satisfied with the paysites I was promoting, I wanted to make things better.

Fair enough, but that's what this thread has been all about. :thumbsup :thumbsup

Ummm, no. :)

But we saw first hand that if you have the traffic and signups, sending to yourself is best.

yes, but has its pros and contras :)

this is a good thread