WTF AVN?!?!? Have you forgotten WTF discretion is??? - GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

X

BuckNaked

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jan 2002

Posts: 399
Share

Post
#1

WTF AVN?!?!? Have you forgotten WTF discretion is???

12-15-2005, 09:15 AM

I live in a small town in ohio and I get not one BUT TWO mailers from AVN for the brand new GAYVN magazine.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND?!?!?!?!

What happened to discretion here? Big bold letters gayvn and a fucking pic of the freaking magazine on the front.

God Damned get some fucking common sense and keep that shit covered, some of us live in a world where the religious right would burn our houses down for peddling porn, let alone gay porn.

The BuckNaked Show!
LIVE! Thursday's Midnight EST

Daily Grind Radio
Tags: None
Furious_Male

Doing the grind since 99

Join Date: Oct 2003

Posts: 16884
Share

Post
#2

12-15-2005, 09:43 AM

Holy shit. I have heard about this before but I thought they fixed the problem. I would be pissed as well.

Living in Virtual Reality
Contact: Email (preferred): furiousmale .at. gmail - Skype: live:shanedws
Comment
Triple 6

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2002

Posts: 5394
Share

Post
#3

12-15-2005, 09:44 AM

avn=morons

thank you, drive thru

SIG TOO SMALL! Maximum 1200x600 button and no more than 30 text lines of ALL SIZES and COLORS. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 6240x4800 instead of a 1024x800.
Comment
Sosa

In Tushy Land

Join Date: Oct 2002

Posts: 40149
Share

Post
#4

12-15-2005, 09:46 AM

yeah.. I'll pry end up getting one in the mail anyday.. stupid fuckers
Comment
CybermedAndy

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jul 2004

Posts: 4170
Share

Post
#5

12-15-2005, 09:47 AM

Similar thread posted yesterday

Surely to be many more

Add some upsell items to your pages here!
Comment
sicone

Retired

Join Date: Jan 2004

Posts: 18453
Share

Post
#6

12-15-2005, 09:47 AM

I got it yesterday, my 7 yr old son grabbed the mail out of the box and it was sitting on top
Comment
boneprone

Hall Of Fame

Join Date: Jan 2001

Posts: 34415
Share

Post
#7

12-15-2005, 09:48 AM

BuckNaked?????

Damn where the hell have you been?

Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones
Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
Learn about it kids.
Comment
Shooting_Maniac1

Confirmed User

Join Date: Nov 2005

Posts: 417
Share

Post
#8

12-15-2005, 09:49 AM

They cant even right a close to accurate article..... what makes you think they would have a clue about mailing? Total waste of a tree.

But hey.... hit me up when you get a chance
Comment
p1mpdogg

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Nov 2002

Posts: 16714
Share

Post
#9

12-15-2005, 09:50 AM

AVN doesnt have the brightest people running it thats for sure

A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!
Comment
Baker Rd

Confirmed User

Join Date: Nov 2005

Posts: 647
Share

Post
#10

12-15-2005, 09:52 AM

fucking morons

money talks and bullshit walks.
Comment
Doctor Dre

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Jan 2001

Posts: 51692
Share

Post
#11

12-15-2005, 09:54 AM

Like I said yesterday, whoever claimed to be the bridge between AVN and webmasters have his/her had in his ass . Fuck AVN and fuck internext. PHoenix forum all the way. (Allthought I will end up at internext ... sadly giving $ away to that peice of shit compagny)

Originally posted by rayadp05

I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?
Comment
com

Confirmed User

Join Date: Aug 2003

Posts: 4541
Share

Post
#12

12-15-2005, 09:54 AM

ouch ....

Real. Professional. Hosting.
.:Expect Nothing Less:.
320-078-843 :: www.realprohosting.com :: [email protected]
Comment
dready

Confirmed User

Join Date: Oct 2002

Posts: 5247
Share

Post
#13

12-15-2005, 09:59 AM

That's seriously lame.

ICQ: 91139591
Comment
C H R I S

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Nov 2005

Posts: 10842
Share

Post
#14

12-15-2005, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by BuckNaked

I live in a small town in ohio and I get not one BUT TWO mailers from AVN for the brand new GAYVN magazine.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND?!?!?!?!

What happened to discretion here? Big bold letters gayvn and a fucking pic of the freaking magazine on the front.

God Damned get some fucking common sense and keep that shit covered, some of us live in a world where the religious right would burn our houses down for peddling porn, let alone gay porn.

Couple points:

Before everyone slams me - realize that I work in sales for AVN Online- not marketing. So I was not aware of this mailer. But I would like to address people complaints.

We do take complaints seriously. If you recieved a mail peice and do not want to get them in the future - follow the steps below. If you just want to complain - and not take the steps to stop future mailing please dont complain again!

I come from a direct response background, the company I used to work for was considered the BMG of Porn - mailing out up to 5 million hardcore mailing pieces monthly - so I do understand that people can be offended by receiving adult oriented mailings - if you do not want them - do something about it.

1. If you do not want to receive mail from AVN - send mail or e-mail to me and I will have you removed from the list. Realize that you will not receive any more mailings from AVN including AVN and AVN Online. We do not want to send anything to people who do not want it.

2. Anyone on our mailing list has at some point contacted or been in contact with AVN and has requested magazines or other info from AVN.

3. If you do not want to reiceve junk mail in general - go to http://www.the-dma.org/ and add your self to the do not mail list. Every DMA member is required to merge mailings against this list.

4. Come you work in porn.... your mailman already thought you were gay -- just kidding.

Cheers

C H R I S
Retired Porn Veteran

BH4L
Comment
Nembrionic

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2003

Posts: 2424
Share

Post
#15

12-15-2005, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by Shooting_Maniac1

They cant even right a close to accurate article..... what makes you think they would have a clue about mailing? Total waste of a tree.

But hey.... hit me up when you get a chance

Pot, kettle, black.
Stick to bullshitting.
Comment
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

best designer on GFY

Join Date: Mar 2003

Posts: 30307
Share

Post
#16

12-15-2005, 10:09 AM

AVN can send me a magazine anytime it wants

I have filled out the form to get the Magazine at least 3 times already and still never recieve it. I would like to get it, I been trying for years. It is not that mail is intercepted or anything, of all places I live in Porn Valley.

NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo!
| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily
| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 |ICQ: 78943384 |
Comment
Ice

Confirmed User

Join Date: Nov 2002

Posts: 26053
Share

Post
#17

12-15-2005, 10:10 AM

I invented the form

icq 1904905
Comment
Shooting_Maniac1

Confirmed User

Join Date: Nov 2005

Posts: 417
Share

Post
#18

12-15-2005, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by Nembrionic

Pot, kettle, black.
Stick to bullshitting.

Fuck you.... you dont know me moron and for your sake, you had best hope it stays that way.

Nigga!
Comment
Sarah_Jayne

Now with more Jayne

Join Date: Dec 2002

Posts: 40077
Share

Post
#19

12-15-2005, 10:13 AM

yeah..I greatly appreciated getting Internext promo material sent to me in a clear package. I am sure it really peaked my postman and everyone else that handled the post's interest.
Comment
AcidMax

Confirmed User

Join Date: May 2002

Posts: 1827
Share

Post
#20

12-15-2005, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by AVNChris

Couple points:

Before everyone slams me - realize that I work in sales for AVN Online- not marketing. So I was not aware of this mailer. But I would like to address people complaints.

We do take complaints seriously. If you recieved a mail peice and do not want to get them in the future - follow the steps below. If you just want to complain - and not take the steps to stop future mailing please dont complain again!

I come from a direct response background, the company I used to work for was considered the BMG of Porn - mailing out up to 5 million hardcore mailing pieces monthly - so I do understand that people can be offended by receiving adult oriented mailings - if you do not want them - do something about it.

1. If you do not want to receive mail from AVN - send mail or e-mail to me and I will have you removed from the list. Realize that you will not receive any more mailings from AVN including AVN and AVN Online. We do not want to send anything to people who do not want it.

2. Anyone on our mailing list has at some point contacted or been in contact with AVN and has requested magazines or other info from AVN.

3. If you do not want to reiceve junk mail in general - go to http://www.the-dma.org/ and add your self to the do not mail list. Every DMA member is required to merge mailings against this list.

4. Come you work in porn.... your mailman already thought you were gay -- just kidding.

Cheers

That is a bullshit response and you know it. How about we send big pictures of guys eathing shit to your house, let your kids get the mail and let your postal worker see the shit that you might be into. Way to put all the responsibility on the person who receives the mail instead of making yourselves look good and using a little common sense.

Perception is reality and this type of shit is unacceptable. Have a little class as an organization and be discreet. I too live in a small town of about 1000, and word gets around when shit comes in your mail. This is a croc of shit, I have yet to get this mailer, but if I do, I will be even more pissed off.

Latest MMA news. http://www.mmawrapup.com
Comment
C H R I S

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Nov 2005

Posts: 10842
Share

Post
#21

12-15-2005, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by AlienQ

AVN can send me a magazine anytime it wants

I have filled out the form to get the Magazine at least 3 times already and still never recieve it. I would like to get it, I been trying for years. It is not that mail is intercepted or anything, of all places I live in Porn Valley.

Alien - e-mail me your address and I will have you added - if you want specific issues let me know and I will mail them to you myself.

C H R I S
Retired Porn Veteran

BH4L
Comment
C H R I S

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Nov 2005

Posts: 10842
Share

Post
#22

12-15-2005, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by AcidMax

That is a bullshit response and you know it. How about we send big pictures of guys eathing shit to your house, let your kids get the mail and let your postal worker see the shit that you might be into. Way to put all the responsibility on the person who receives the mail instead of making yourselves look good and using a little common sense.

Perception is reality and this type of shit is unacceptable. Have a little class as an organization and be discreet. I too live in a small town of about 1000, and word gets around when shit comes in your mail. This is a croc of shit, I have yet to get this mailer, but if I do, I will be even more pissed off.

You havent even seen or reecieved the mailer and you complaining... wow!

C H R I S
Retired Porn Veteran

BH4L
Comment
Rattlehead

Confirmed User

Join Date: Mar 2003

Posts: 744
Share

Post
#23

12-15-2005, 10:16 AM

THis is why I have a PO BOx

Wifey Cash - Official Program For Wifey's World
Comment
AcidMax

Confirmed User

Join Date: May 2002

Posts: 1827
Share

Post
#24

12-15-2005, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by AVNChris

You havent even seen or reecieved the mailer and you complaining... wow!

Yes I am complaining, because this is unacceptable and I know I will be getting the mailer any day now since I get all the other shit you guys send out. It's one thing to get an email, that I am fine with, but you guys send out some shit that should not be sent out, and I always get it.

Even XBIZ covers their mag in a black plastic.

Latest MMA news. http://www.mmawrapup.com
Comment
sicone

Retired

Join Date: Jan 2004

Posts: 18453
Share

Post
#25

12-15-2005, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Rattlehead

THis is why I have a PO BOx

So do I

I also have a son, and he likes to run in and get the mail out of the box
Comment
Tom_PM

Porn Meister

Join Date: Feb 2005

Posts: 16443
Share

Post
#26

12-15-2005, 10:21 AM

I dont receive it, but have received similar things and called immediately and bitched up a storm

You should consider a plain brown sleeve, and more people would sign up.

Even the FSC sent a magazine with porn ads on the back cover

Again, I'm certainly not opposed to the content (doh!), but I live among families with a gazillion kids who play outside even in zero degree weather, and my mailbox is small and magazines are *always* left hanging partway out.

43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.
Comment
PurrrsianPussyKat

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jan 2004

Posts: 2088
Share

Post
#27

12-15-2005, 10:22 AM

Thanks for the spam. I'm sure the people who work in my post offices two blocks away are really wondering now.

Need a reliable, reasonably priced php programmer? Hit me up! 2934409
Comment
INever

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jan 2005

Posts: 4031
Share

Post
#28

12-15-2005, 10:26 AM

I dont want mailers , we're webmasters so send a fuckin email!

First I thought it was an offer from Gavin, a radio trade mag. Then I looked closely and I was fuckin' offended...

Last edited by INever; 12-15-2005, 10:27 AM.

I love Camdough

airvpn
Comment
Kassidy

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jul 2003

Posts: 1219
Share

Post
#29

12-15-2005, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by AVNChris

Couple points:

Before everyone slams me - realize that I work in sales for AVN Online- not marketing. So I was not aware of this mailer. But I would like to address people complaints.

We do take complaints seriously. If you recieved a mail peice and do not want to get them in the future - follow the steps below. If you just want to complain - and not take the steps to stop future mailing please dont complain again!

I come from a direct response background, the company I used to work for was considered the BMG of Porn - mailing out up to 5 million hardcore mailing pieces monthly - so I do understand that people can be offended by receiving adult oriented mailings - if you do not want them - do something about it.

1. If you do not want to receive mail from AVN - send mail or e-mail to me and I will have you removed from the list. Realize that you will not receive any more mailings from AVN including AVN and AVN Online. We do not want to send anything to people who do not want it.

2. Anyone on our mailing list has at some point contacted or been in contact with AVN and has requested magazines or other info from AVN.

3. If you do not want to reiceve junk mail in general - go to http://www.the-dma.org/ and add your self to the do not mail list. Every DMA member is required to merge mailings against this list.

4. Come you work in porn.... your mailman already thought you were gay -- just kidding.

Cheers

A typical insensitive response from AVN, as expected.

Last edited by Kassidy; 12-15-2005, 10:29 AM.

The ORIGINAL micro niche program- All Original and exclusive content.
Paying 60% recurring through CCBill, FHG, free content & gallery templates
Well researched niches with on-target content. SUBSTANCE SELLS!
Comment
RuthB

Let's Get Paxumized!

Join Date: May 2005

Posts: 7248
Share

Post
#30

12-15-2005, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by AVNChris

Couple points:

Before everyone slams me - realize that I work in sales for AVN Online- not marketing. So I was not aware of this mailer. But I would like to address people complaints.

We do take complaints seriously. If you recieved a mail peice and do not want to get them in the future - follow the steps below. If you just want to complain - and not take the steps to stop future mailing please dont complain again!

I come from a direct response background, the company I used to work for was considered the BMG of Porn - mailing out up to 5 million hardcore mailing pieces monthly - so I do understand that people can be offended by receiving adult oriented mailings - if you do not want them - do something about it.

1. If you do not want to receive mail from AVN - send mail or e-mail to me and I will have you removed from the list. Realize that you will not receive any more mailings from AVN including AVN and AVN Online. We do not want to send anything to people who do not want it.

2. Anyone on our mailing list has at some point contacted or been in contact with AVN and has requested magazines or other info from AVN.

3. If you do not want to reiceve junk mail in general - go to http://www.the-dma.org/ and add your self to the do not mail list. Every DMA member is required to merge mailings against this list.

4. Come you work in porn.... your mailman already thought you were gay -- just kidding.

Cheers

Chris, that's great and all, but what about those webmasters who actually WANT to receive AVN cos they enjoy reading it or find it helpful for business?

What it sounds like you're saying to me is that AVN will continue to send out their mags however they see fit, and if you don't like how AVN does it then 'don't complain' just quit getting them?

I think that's a poor way to respond to legitimate complaints from your mailing database. How many porn mags (like Hustler, Playboy, etc) would send to their customers in a clear envelope? They all use brown envelopes for a reason: DISCRETION, a common courtesy that wouldn't hurt AVN in any way (yes I know it's a different target audience, but that doesn't negate my point).

The AVN Mag is apparently another revenue source for AVN, shouldn't AVN want to retain and grow their current database to include more webmasters rather than NOT accommodate (through something that seems to be just common sense anyways) them and result in a LOSS of circulation?

Decline of circulation = loss of advertising $$ = bottom line it's less profit for AVN!

What's the big deal switching from clear wrap to brown envelopes (or dark wraps that don't reveal anything) anyway? Does it really cost that much more?

Send & Receive Mass Global Payments - Mass P2P/Wire/EFT/SEPA - Adult Industry Friendly - Award Winning Payment Service - Fast, Reliable & Secure!
Paxum ...... Paxum Bank
Email: [email protected] ~ Telegram: PaxumRuth
Comment
AcidMax

Confirmed User

Join Date: May 2002

Posts: 1827
Share

Post
#31

12-15-2005, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by WEGRuth

Chris, that's great and all, but what about those webmasters who actually WANT to receive AVN cos they enjoy reading it or find it helpful for business?

What it sounds like you're saying to me is that AVN will continue to send out their mags however they see fit, and if you don't like how AVN does it then 'don't complain' just quit getting them?

I think that's a poor way to respond to legitimate complaints from your mailing database. How many porn mags (like Hustler, Playboy, etc) would send to their customers in a clear envelope? They all use brown envelopes for a reason: DISCRETION, a common courtesy that wouldn't hurt AVN in any way (yes I know it's a different target audience, but that doesn't negate my point).

The AVN Mag is apparently another revenue source for AVN, shouldn't AVN want to retain and grow their current database to include more webmasters rather than NOT accommodate (through something that seems to be just common sense anyways) them and result in a LOSS of circulation?

Decline of circulation = loss of advertising $$ = bottom line it's less profit for AVN!

What's the big deal switching from clear wrap to brown envelopes (or dark wraps that don't reveal anything) anyway? Does it really cost that much more?

Another great point. Personally I think they just don't give a shit, they have proven that with the way they treat webmasters at their events as well as other issues i have seen over the past few years.

Latest MMA news. http://www.mmawrapup.com
Comment
Cory W

Deeply shallow

Join Date: Jan 2004

Posts: 9133
Share

Post
#32

12-15-2005, 10:38 AM

Chris,

A little advice if you don't mind:

1) Just take to the full blame. Don't qualify your position with holes in responsibility, it will get you further in the end. You work for AVN, step up to the plate and resolve the issue. It is not your responsibility but it is your opportunity to prove yourself: Seize it. Don't tell them about your background, tell them what you are capable of doing.

2) Never give an option to let webmasters out of mailings before you attempt to apologize and resolve. You want more webmasters, not less. AVN made a mistake, it happens, just apologize, move forward and salvage the accounts. Don't worry about who is complaining.

I have been a punching bag on more than a few occasions in this industry in terms of PR. Sometimes you just have to chalk it up as your job.

Good Luck with everything,

ICQ: 292310358
Offering writing and content services (mainstream).
Marketing for L3 Payments
Comment
xxxice

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2002

Posts: 5042
Share

Post
#33

12-15-2005, 10:39 AM
Comment
BuckNaked

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jan 2002

Posts: 399
Share

Post
#34

12-15-2005, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by AVNChris

Couple points:

Before everyone slams me - realize that I work in sales for AVN Online- not marketing. So I was not aware of this mailer. But I would like to address people complaints.

We do take complaints seriously. If you recieved a mail peice and do not want to get them in the future - follow the steps below. If you just want to complain - and not take the steps to stop future mailing please dont complain again!

I come from a direct response background, the company I used to work for was considered the BMG of Porn - mailing out up to 5 million hardcore mailing pieces monthly - so I do understand that people can be offended by receiving adult oriented mailings - if you do not want them - do something about it.

1. If you do not want to receive mail from AVN - send mail or e-mail to me and I will have you removed from the list. Realize that you will not receive any more mailings from AVN including AVN and AVN Online. We do not want to send anything to people who do not want it.

2. Anyone on our mailing list has at some point contacted or been in contact with AVN and has requested magazines or other info from AVN.

3. If you do not want to reiceve junk mail in general - go to http://www.the-dma.org/ and add your self to the do not mail list. Every DMA member is required to merge mailings against this list.

4. Come you work in porn.... your mailman already thought you were gay -- just kidding.

Cheers

This has nothing to do with recieving the magazine or even the junk mail and advertisements that come with it. It's called PROFESSIONAL COURTESY. You cover the magazines, you usually keep the ads covered as well. Is it really necessary to put questionable content on the front so that my privacy and saftey and security in my community is at risk?

Yeah I am in porn and I do want your magazines, hell I even want your promotionals, what I don't want is for my mailman and my neighbors to see what I do and cast judgement on my family and friends, and to be honest if you can't see that then you and avn can take your magazine and business and shove it straight up your ass...

The BuckNaked Show!
LIVE! Thursday's Midnight EST

Daily Grind Radio
Comment
lazycash

Troll Patrol

Join Date: Aug 2002

Posts: 15214
Share

Post
#35

12-15-2005, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by WEG Cory

Chris,

A little advice if you don't mind:

1) Just take to the full blame. Don't qualify your position with holes in responsibility, it will get you further in the end. You work for AVN, step up to the plate and resolve the issue. It is not your responsibility but it is your opportunity to prove yourself: Seize it. Don't tell them about your background, tell them what you are capable of doing.

2) Never give an option to let webmasters out of mailings before you attempt to apologize and resolve. You want more webmasters, not less. AVN made a mistake, it happens, just apologize, move forward and salvage the accounts. Don't worry about who is complaining.

I have been a punching bag on more than a few occasions in this industry in terms of PR. Sometimes you just have to chalk it up as your job.

Good Luck with everything,

Great advice, wish more programs in here would think in that manner.

"WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..

Its crazy..."

VenusBlogger
Comment
Cory W

Deeply shallow

Join Date: Jan 2004

Posts: 9133
Share

Post
#36

12-15-2005, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by lazycash

Great advice, wish more programs in here would think in that manner.

I am sure if Chris roamed around his office, more than a couple of people would tell him of my past. I have shouldered my share of PR debacles and have always taken my own advice. Where is Aeon when I need him? Haha

I don't blame him so much as I do what influences marketing reps in this industry. You see marketing reps go from job to job not caring a bit about arguing on message boards, and for someone new, it seems they are in a rewarding position. Fact is they are not, few large companies that pay well will hire you if you are combustible. I cherish both companies that I have worked for, I took / take them both very serious. I made / make good money with both.

It is my job to take the higher road and too take the brunt of the anger when something goes wrong. It does not matter if a programmer or accountant made the mistake, my checks come weekly to take responsibility and offer solutions.

Maybe if everyone can let up on him for a bit, as it is Christmas, this will only serve to help him move forward in the industry and everything will work out for everyone.

I just arrived in NYC this morning, I am going to endure the fridgid cold and take in some of the Holiday spectacles around the city.

ICQ: 292310358
Offering writing and content services (mainstream).
Marketing for L3 Payments
Comment
AcidMax

Confirmed User

Join Date: May 2002

Posts: 1827
Share

Post
#37

12-15-2005, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by WEG Cory

Chris,

A little advice if you don't mind:

1) Just take to the full blame. Don't qualify your position with holes in responsibility, it will get you further in the end. You work for AVN, step up to the plate and resolve the issue. It is not your responsibility but it is your opportunity to prove yourself: Seize it. Don't tell them about your background, tell them what you are capable of doing.

2) Never give an option to let webmasters out of mailings before you attempt to apologize and resolve. You want more webmasters, not less. AVN made a mistake, it happens, just apologize, move forward and salvage the accounts. Don't worry about who is complaining.

I have been a punching bag on more than a few occasions in this industry in terms of PR. Sometimes you just have to chalk it up as your job.

Good Luck with everything,

Customer Service? Responsibility? Resolution? Now thats just crazy talk.

Latest MMA news. http://www.mmawrapup.com
Comment
C H R I S

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Nov 2005

Posts: 10842
Share

Post
#38

12-15-2005, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by WEGRuth

Chris, that's great and all, but what about those webmasters who actually WANT to receive AVN cos they enjoy reading it or find it helpful for business?

What it sounds like you're saying to me is that AVN will continue to send out their mags however they see fit, and if you don't like how AVN does it then 'don't complain' just quit getting them?

I think that's a poor way to respond to legitimate complaints from your mailing database. How many porn mags (like Hustler, Playboy, etc) would send to their customers in a clear envelope? They all use brown envelopes for a reason: DISCRETION, a common courtesy that wouldn't hurt AVN in any way (yes I know it's a different target audience, but that doesn't negate my point).

The AVN Mag is apparently another revenue source for AVN, shouldn't AVN want to retain and grow their current database to include more webmasters rather than NOT accommodate (through something that seems to be just common sense anyways) them and result in a LOSS of circulation?

Decline of circulation = loss of advertising $$ = bottom line it's less profit for AVN!

What's the big deal switching from clear wrap to brown envelopes (or dark wraps that don't reveal anything) anyway? Does it really cost that much more?

Points taken- will relay to MARKETING - I AM SURE THEY WILL MAKE CHANGES.

C H R I S
Retired Porn Veteran

BH4L
Comment
C H R I S

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Nov 2005

Posts: 10842
Share

Post
#39

12-15-2005, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by WEG Cory

Chris,

A little advice if you don't mind:

1) Just take to the full blame. Don't qualify your position with holes in responsibility, it will get you further in the end. You work for AVN, step up to the plate and resolve the issue. It is not your responsibility but it is your opportunity to prove yourself: Seize it. Don't tell them about your background, tell them what you are capable of doing.

2) Never give an option to let webmasters out of mailings before you attempt to apologize and resolve. You want more webmasters, not less. AVN made a mistake, it happens, just apologize, move forward and salvage the accounts. Don't worry about who is complaining.

I have been a punching bag on more than a few occasions in this industry in terms of PR. Sometimes you just have to chalk it up as your job.

Good Luck with everything,

Thanks for the advice Cory - Point Taken.

C H R I S
Retired Porn Veteran

BH4L
Comment
C H R I S

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Nov 2005

Posts: 10842
Share

Post
#40

12-15-2005, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by BuckNaked

This has nothing to do with recieving the magazine or even the junk mail and advertisements that come with it. It's called PROFESSIONAL COURTESY. You cover the magazines, you usually keep the ads covered as well. Is it really necessary to put questionable content on the front so that my privacy and saftey and security in my community is at risk?

Yeah I am in porn and I do want your magazines, hell I even want your promotionals, what I don't want is for my mailman and my neighbors to see what I do and cast judgement on my family and friends, and to be honest if you can't see that then you and avn can take your magazine and business and shove it straight up your ass...

Will relay your thoughts to the appropriate channels - AVN is listening and we will make changes.

C H R I S
Retired Porn Veteran

BH4L
Comment
Nembrionic

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2003

Posts: 2424
Share

Post
#41

12-15-2005, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Shooting_Maniac1

Fuck you.... you dont know me moron and for your sake, you had best hope it stays that way.

Nigga!

Yeah right. Everybody knows who you are Jeff. And unfortunately I shook your hand some years ago. It still smells like shit

Last edited by Nembrionic; 12-15-2005, 11:38 AM.
Comment
gleem

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jun 2001

Posts: 5593
Share

Post
#42

12-15-2005, 11:38 AM

simple fact is they assume everyone is in an office in Porn Valley where getting a magazine with some 12" cocktard on the front cover is normal. Love going to my PO box and having the women who owns the place stare me down while she is talking to some city prosecuter or some shit while District Attorney Gonzales just happened to pay a visit and they all were staring at the GAYVN /AVN mag as she was about to put it in my box but instead hands it to me saying they wouldn't fit and she didn't want to "wrinkle" my picture mags up.

But seriously, some bitch that works there gave me dirty looks cause they did have to hand it over, too big for the PO Box and now I have to change my fucking address with all 200 sponsors a-fucking gain since I don't trust em anymore to give me my mail.

Fuck you in the ASS AVN, you are fucktards!! (brown bag that shit assholes)

Contact me: \\// E: webmaster /at/ unprofessional.com
Comment
Trax

[----------------------]

Join Date: Aug 2001

Posts: 14486
Share

Post
#43

12-15-2005, 11:51 AM

id be sooo fucking pissed
this company is seriously fucked up
someone should do a cleanup on their end
Comment
Toolz

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jun 2001

Posts: 690
Share

Post
#44

12-15-2005, 12:08 PM

So instead of plastering PUSSY Cash all over a mailing they did GAY AVN? Hmm hard to decide which I want in my mailbox worse.
Comment
MikeSmoke

Confirmed User

Join Date: Nov 2002

Posts: 3241
Share

Post
#45

12-15-2005, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by AVNChris

Couple points:

Before everyone slams me - realize that I work in sales for AVN Online- not marketing. So I was not aware of this mailer. But I would like to address people complaints.

We do take complaints seriously. If you recieved a mail peice and do not want to get them in the future - follow the steps below. If you just want to complain - and not take the steps to stop future mailing please dont complain again!

I come from a direct response background, the company I used to work for was considered the BMG of Porn - mailing out up to 5 million hardcore mailing pieces monthly - so I do understand that people can be offended by receiving adult oriented mailings - if you do not want them - do something about it.

1. If you do not want to receive mail from AVN - send mail or e-mail to me and I will have you removed from the list. Realize that you will not receive any more mailings from AVN including AVN and AVN Online. We do not want to send anything to people who do not want it.

2. Anyone on our mailing list has at some point contacted or been in contact with AVN and has requested magazines or other info from AVN.

3. If you do not want to reiceve junk mail in general - go to http://www.the-dma.org/ and add your self to the do not mail list. Every DMA member is required to merge mailings against this list.

4. Come you work in porn.... your mailman already thought you were gay -- just kidding.

Cheers

That's just fucking insensitive bullshit. You really expect people to take that seriously??
Because we don't want our neighbors/postal workers to know what we do, you want all of us to say that we don't want to receive anything from AVN anymore?? Good way for an organization that claims/wants to be "the" industry news outlet.
Not surprising, though, I guess - considering the way AVN has acted in the past.

icq: 541-739-92
Comment
sweetcuties

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2002

Posts: 5859
Share

Post
#46

12-15-2005, 12:15 PM

finally, someone said it! I AGREE WITH YOU 100%!! I emailed them a few mths ago and I got my name taken off, however, my assistant (girl I took to internext 2yrs ago) is still getting mail. I emailed them a few days ago to have that name removed also.
Comment
MandyBlake

The one and only!

Join Date: Nov 2002

Posts: 17761
Share

Post
#47

12-15-2005, 12:18 PM

yeah i've gotten stuff like that before at my office. its not cool.

Mandy's Playhouse
Her First Fat Girl
If you're interested in promoting my sites, ICQ me! 178411921
Comment

Previous template Next

Working...