You keep bringing up the effects of PCP, as if "Tookie" should receive some sort of sympathy since he wasn't thinking straight while being on that *bad mind-altering drug*.

Isnt this going to happen on monday? the descision I mean? I dont see Arnold letting him be saved, but thats just my opinion on it. BTW, Arnold almost died himself the other week...some type of racing heart beat that is supposed to be common with those who have had his type of heart surgery, but still scary at the least.

Part of beermans agreement is to not disclose the fact i only gave him a six pack of beer :winkwink:

another good point...

he was sane when he chose to take a drug that may turn him "insane" thus he is culpible for any actions that might take place ...

He's telling me on the phone it was a keg and you lied.. he's really pissed... I'm trying to settle him down.

I'd say yes but no really knows all the details.

I watched a special today on it and it seems obvious that he did the killings and they should merit death if you believe in the death penalty.

I would like to see a last chance prison where they could at least try to survive in a kaos environment or do death.

Like escape from LA but not in La.

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Mad me sick :(

Hey I dunno justmy opinion.
Not to mention there is some questionable things that indicate he may have never done it in the first place.

Wouldnt be the first black man to die in LA under a false conviction, but this guy does seem different than most. Most hard criminals never make an effort help to save others or attempt to undo what they done. Again Tookie wrote books and reached out to Gang Members to stop violence.
Thats a pretty big thing to do.

If Tookie Williams is granted clemency from the Governor, he would still have to serve a sentence of life in jail.

At least six people who were previously on death row in California were later exonerated (proven to be not guilty even though they had been convicted and sentenced to death). There are scores of others similarly sentenced to death throughout the country who were later found to be not guilty.

The main reason Williams was convicted was because of info obtained from jailhouse snitches (in return for lighter sentences, etc), not any eyewitness accounts.

The death penalty is wrong on so many levels.

Let Williams keep helping others on the outside from behind the prison bars (unless evidence surfaces indicating that he is not the killer, in which case he should be released).

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How bout like a huge game park that all the prisoners are walled into , then victims get a one day pass and a gun and ammo to go "hunting"

Oh, and by the way, I'm against the death penalty in general. So no, I'm not "for" his death, I'm not "against" it either though. I simply don't care if he's dead or alive. Though if you commit a crime, you must be willing to pay for it.

One good deed does not erase a bad.

All of this is over 3 murders he got caught for. How many other murders has he committed? How many killers has he made out of confused boys? How many innocent people have those confused boys killed?

For all I'm concerned, gangs can shoot and kill each other all night long. I don't care. Its a lifestyle they have chosen. But when they bring in other people that have not chosen that lifestyle, thats when I care.

i say kill em
saving him would send wrong signals

I agree with Sly on this one

Yep, well put sly. :winkwink:

The death penalty costs so much because of the extensive appeal process in America to ensure innocent people don't die on death row. It's about taking someone's life and trying to be justified about it, and that takes a long amount of time and a lot of money. If we just fucking needled everyone we convicted immediately, well, that would be fuck fail. if people think this is a black or white thing is this wrong.

The greatest medical advances of last century came from that (Krauts and Japs)... so maybe it isn't a bad idea :thumbsup

Execute him
 

I my partner had two sister inlaws raped and murdered. What it does to the family is indescribable. They get a life sentance of pain and suffering. My only argument with the death penalty is they have gone soft and got rid of the electric chair, hanging and the firing squad. This lethal injection stuff is too sanitised.

Recall a story the former president of the local athletics club who told the local priests who counselled him during his stay in prison for screwing all the young boys...'I am a changed man. I have found god'. He found god alright. The particular religion took him in and looked after him nicely. They shared their young children with him because he told them 'I have found god'. The only god he found was in the pants of the young boys.

At least he did the right thing the second time around. He committed suicide. Not because he was wrong. He didn't want to put his family through any more pain with another court case. They believed him the first time when he said he was set-up and completely innocent. Hey Frank Coleman, are you up there and reading this.

True story...because I was the one who put the police on to him when everyone else turned a blind eye to the obvious.

Lyn from Australia.

PS - Anyone in Australia want proof of the above, just contact me at [email protected] .

he isnt asking to go free just siti n jail for the rest of his life, i dont think he should die, he was a kid in a gang and now is keeping people out of gangs pplus we dont need another riot

Where is the GFY Soul Patrol calling you all ignorant racists?

You have already proven in the past that your opinion is that of a child, so has little value.

Sad fact is, places with the death penalty or even cruel death penaltie have no difference in violent crimes as countries that do not.

just drop him off in salinas ;)

At what age do you stop being a "kid?"