Schwarzenegger Denies Clemency for Williams - GoFuckYourself.com

BlueWire · 12-12-2005, 05:01 PM

Not sure where I stand on this one. I guess I try to find the good in people and I hate how people dismiss a life sentence as if its nothing. Putting someone to death is nothing more than something to help out the families and if they need that to feel better about what happend then I seriously think they're better off in conseling figuring out their problems....But in the end I ask myself, "Do I really care about this issue?"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/williams_...NlYwMlJVRPUCUl

By DAVID KRAVETS, Associated Press Writer 9 minutes ago

SAN FRANCISCO - Gov.
Arnold Schwarzenegger refused to block the execution early Tuesday of Stanley Tookie Williams, rejecting the notion that the founder of the murderous Crips gang had atoned for his crimes and found redemption on death row.
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With a federal court refusing to grant a reprieve, Williams, 51, was set to die by injection at San Quentin Prison just after midnight for murdering four people during two 1979 holdups.

Williams' case became one of the nation's biggest death-row cause celebres in decades. It set off a nationwide debate over the possibility of redemption on death row, with Hollywood stars and capital punishment foes arguing that Williams had made amends by writing children's books about the dangers of gangs.

But Schwarzenegger suggested that Williams' supposed change of heart was not genuine, noting that the inmate had not owned up to his crimes or shown any real remorse for the countless killings committed by the Crips.

"Is Williams' redemption complete and sincere, or is it just a hollow promise?" Schwarzenegger wrote less than 12 hours before the execution. "Without an apology and atonement for these senseless and brutal killings, there can be no redemption."

Williams' supporters were disappointed with the governor's refusal to commute the death sentence to life in prison without parole.

"Too often I hear the governor and many who are around him talk about his values system," said NAACP President Bruce S. Gordon. "In this particular case, those values seem to be cast aside. There is absolutely no recognition given to redemption."

Williams stood to become the 12th person executed in California since lawmakers reinstated the death penalty in 1977.

He was condemned in 1981 for gunning down convenience store clerk Albert Owens, 26, at a 7-Eleven in Whittier and killing Yen-I Yang, 76, Tsai-Shai Chen Yang, 63, and the couple's daughter Yu-Chin Yang Lin, 43, at the Los Angeles motel they owned. Williams claimed he was innocent.

Just before the governor announced his decision, the 9th U.S. Circuit of Appeals denied Williams' request for a reprieve, saying there was no "clear and convincing evidence of actual innocence." His lawyers planned to take their case to the
U.S. Supreme Court.

The last California governor to grant clemency was
Ronald Reagan, who spared a mentally infirm killer in 1967. Schwarzenegger ? a Republican who has come under fire from members of his own party as too accommodating to liberals ? rejected clemency twice before during his two years in office.

In denying clemency to Williams, Schwarzenegger said that the evidence of his guilt was "strong and compelling," and he dismissed suggestions that the trial was unfair.

Schwarzenegger also pointed out the brutality of the crimes, noting that Williams allegedly said about one of the killings, "You should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him." According to the governor's account, Williams then made a growling noise and laughed for five to six minutes.

In addition, the governor noted that Williams dedicated his 1998 book "Life in Prison" to a list of figures that included the black militant George Jackson ? "a significant indicator that Williams is not reformed and that he still sees violence and lawlessness as a legitimate means to address societal problems."

Schwarzenegger also noted that there is "little mention or atonement in his writings and his plea for clemency of the countless murders committed by the Crips following the lifestyle Williams once espoused. The senseless killing that has ruined many families, particularly in African-American communities, in the name of the Crips and gang warfare is a tragedy of our modern culture."

Williams and a friend founded the Crips in Los Angeles in 1971. Authorities say it is responsible for hundreds of deaths, many of them in battles with the rival Bloods for turf and control of the drug trade.

Among the celebrities who took up Williams' cause were Jamie Foxx, who played the gang leader in a cable movie about Williams; rapper Snoop Dogg, himself a former Crip; Sister Helen Prejean, the nun depicted in "Dead Man Walking"; Bianca Jagger; and former "M A S H" star Mike Farrell. During Williams' 24 years on death row, a Swiss legislator, college professors and others nominated him for the Nobel Prizes in peace and literature.

"If Stanley Williams does not merit clemency," defense attorney Peter Fleming Jr. asked, "what meaning does clemency retain in this state?"

The impending execution resulted in feverish preparations over the weekend by those on both sides of the debate, with the California Highway Patrol planning to tighten security outside the prison.

A group of about three dozen death penalty protesters were joined by the Rev.
Jesse Jackson as they marched across the Golden Gate Bridge after dawn Monday en route to the gates of San Quentin, where they were expected to rally with hundreds of people.

At least publicly, the person apparently least occupied with his fate seemed to be Williams himself.

"Me fearing what I'm facing, what possible good is it going to do for me? How is that going to benefit me?" Williams said in a recent interview. "If it's my time to be executed, what's all the ranting and raving going to do?"

StickyGreen · 12-12-2005, 05:04 PM

many other threads on this shit already...

BlueWire · 12-12-2005, 05:08 PM

yes but wasnt it just made official?

CamRabbit · 12-12-2005, 05:10 PM

And in other news, the Chinese invented gunpowder.

JFK · 12-12-2005, 05:13 PM

in all this commotion most everyone seems to forget the VICTIMS

DaddyHalbucks · 12-12-2005, 05:33 PM

I admire Williams for trying to do good after his imprisonment; I detest Williams for the murders he committed.

In all, I think the governor made the right decision.

Skillz Unlimited · 12-12-2005, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

in all this commotion most everyone seems to forget the VICTIMS

I agree.

Alex · 12-12-2005, 05:48 PM

Trying to do good after his imprisonment??

He wrote books on keeping kids out of gangs?

This is a guy who started one of the, if not THE biggest gang rivalries ever. Which accounts for god know how many deaths per year.

I would love to whitness his ass die, i would inject him myself if i could.

p1mpdogg · 12-12-2005, 05:50 PM

another ni gg er not breating my air.

thanks arnold, i owe ya one.

BlueWire · 12-12-2005, 06:19 PM

I think my feelings on this have more to do with the death penalty than him personally.

People disregard life in prison as if someone is getting off. Thats bullshit.

The reason for the death penalty is to give victims a sense of closure. I think smart/educated people don't go for this eye for an eye bullshit.

I think smart/educated people ALWAYS will try to make lemons out of lemonade.

" I cant sleep at night til I know he's dead"

I'm sorry but that is complete crap.

For those of you who know me on a deeper level...you know my mother died in a rather tramatic way. I used it to motivate me to live every last hour of every last day. Some people have told me thats when i became a work-a-holic

I just dont agree with the whole notion of revenge.

If someone pulls a practical joke on you and you want to hit them in the face with a pie, thats one thing. But your life wont improve because the person who killed someone is dead. And I feel i know this first hand. This sounds harsh i know...but life is too short to sit around being depressed nomatter what happens to you. So wipe your vaginas and make some good happen in the world

BlueWire · 12-12-2005, 06:23 PM

errr *lemonade out of lemons

Speaking of smart/educated people...I guess I'm NOT one of them

Marshal · 12-12-2005, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueWire

errr *lemonade out of lemons

Speaking of smart/educated people...I guess I'm NOT one of them

:D LOL!.............

12-12-2005, 05:01 PM	#1
BlueWire Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,628	Schwarzenegger Denies Clemency for Williams Not sure where I stand on this one. I guess I try to find the good in people and I hate how people dismiss a life sentence as if its nothing. Putting someone to death is nothing more than something to help out the families and if they need that to feel better about what happend then I seriously think they're better off in conseling figuring out their problems....But in the end I ask myself, "Do I really care about this issue?" http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/williams_...NlYwMlJVRPUCUl By DAVID KRAVETS, Associated Press Writer 9 minutes ago SAN FRANCISCO - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger refused to block the execution early Tuesday of Stanley Tookie Williams, rejecting the notion that the founder of the murderous Crips gang had atoned for his crimes and found redemption on death row. ADVERTISEMENT With a federal court refusing to grant a reprieve, Williams, 51, was set to die by injection at San Quentin Prison just after midnight for murdering four people during two 1979 holdups. Williams' case became one of the nation's biggest death-row cause celebres in decades. It set off a nationwide debate over the possibility of redemption on death row, with Hollywood stars and capital punishment foes arguing that Williams had made amends by writing children's books about the dangers of gangs. But Schwarzenegger suggested that Williams' supposed change of heart was not genuine, noting that the inmate had not owned up to his crimes or shown any real remorse for the countless killings committed by the Crips. "Is Williams' redemption complete and sincere, or is it just a hollow promise?" Schwarzenegger wrote less than 12 hours before the execution. "Without an apology and atonement for these senseless and brutal killings, there can be no redemption." Williams' supporters were disappointed with the governor's refusal to commute the death sentence to life in prison without parole. "Too often I hear the governor and many who are around him talk about his values system," said NAACP President Bruce S. Gordon. "In this particular case, those values seem to be cast aside. There is absolutely no recognition given to redemption." Williams stood to become the 12th person executed in California since lawmakers reinstated the death penalty in 1977. He was condemned in 1981 for gunning down convenience store clerk Albert Owens, 26, at a 7-Eleven in Whittier and killing Yen-I Yang, 76, Tsai-Shai Chen Yang, 63, and the couple's daughter Yu-Chin Yang Lin, 43, at the Los Angeles motel they owned. Williams claimed he was innocent. Just before the governor announced his decision, the 9th U.S. Circuit of Appeals denied Williams' request for a reprieve, saying there was no "clear and convincing evidence of actual innocence." His lawyers planned to take their case to the U.S. Supreme Court. The last California governor to grant clemency was Ronald Reagan, who spared a mentally infirm killer in 1967. Schwarzenegger ? a Republican who has come under fire from members of his own party as too accommodating to liberals ? rejected clemency twice before during his two years in office. In denying clemency to Williams, Schwarzenegger said that the evidence of his guilt was "strong and compelling," and he dismissed suggestions that the trial was unfair. Schwarzenegger also pointed out the brutality of the crimes, noting that Williams allegedly said about one of the killings, "You should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him." According to the governor's account, Williams then made a growling noise and laughed for five to six minutes. In addition, the governor noted that Williams dedicated his 1998 book "Life in Prison" to a list of figures that included the black militant George Jackson ? "a significant indicator that Williams is not reformed and that he still sees violence and lawlessness as a legitimate means to address societal problems." Schwarzenegger also noted that there is "little mention or atonement in his writings and his plea for clemency of the countless murders committed by the Crips following the lifestyle Williams once espoused. The senseless killing that has ruined many families, particularly in African-American communities, in the name of the Crips and gang warfare is a tragedy of our modern culture." Williams and a friend founded the Crips in Los Angeles in 1971. Authorities say it is responsible for hundreds of deaths, many of them in battles with the rival Bloods for turf and control of the drug trade. Among the celebrities who took up Williams' cause were Jamie Foxx, who played the gang leader in a cable movie about Williams; rapper Snoop Dogg, himself a former Crip; Sister Helen Prejean, the nun depicted in "Dead Man Walking"; Bianca Jagger; and former "M A S H" star Mike Farrell. During Williams' 24 years on death row, a Swiss legislator, college professors and others nominated him for the Nobel Prizes in peace and literature. "If Stanley Williams does not merit clemency," defense attorney Peter Fleming Jr. asked, "what meaning does clemency retain in this state?" The impending execution resulted in feverish preparations over the weekend by those on both sides of the debate, with the California Highway Patrol planning to tighten security outside the prison. A group of about three dozen death penalty protesters were joined by the Rev. Jesse Jackson as they marched across the Golden Gate Bridge after dawn Monday en route to the gates of San Quentin, where they were expected to rally with hundreds of people. At least publicly, the person apparently least occupied with his fate seemed to be Williams himself. "Me fearing what I'm facing, what possible good is it going to do for me? How is that going to benefit me?" Williams said in a recent interview. "If it's my time to be executed, what's all the ranting and raving going to do?"

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12-12-2005, 05:33 PM	#6
DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	I admire Williams for trying to do good after his imprisonment; I detest Williams for the murders he committed. In all, I think the governor made the right decision. __________________ Boner Money

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12-12-2005, 05:48 PM	#8
Alex So Fucking Banned (YEA!!) Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 10,963	Trying to do good after his imprisonment?? He wrote books on keeping kids out of gangs? This is a guy who started one of the, if not THE biggest gang rivalries ever. Which accounts for god know how many deaths per year. I would love to whitness his ass die, i would inject him myself if i could. __________________ Care about me? Who? Me! Who?

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12-12-2005, 06:19 PM	#10
BlueWire Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,628	I think my feelings on this have more to do with the death penalty than him personally. People disregard life in prison as if someone is getting off. Thats bullshit. The reason for the death penalty is to give victims a sense of closure. I think smart/educated people don't go for this eye for an eye bullshit. I think smart/educated people ALWAYS will try to make lemons out of lemonade. " I cant sleep at night til I know he's dead" I'm sorry but that is complete crap. For those of you who know me on a deeper level...you know my mother died in a rather tramatic way. I used it to motivate me to live every last hour of every last day. Some people have told me thats when i became a work-a-holic I just dont agree with the whole notion of revenge. If someone pulls a practical joke on you and you want to hit them in the face with a pie, thats one thing. But your life wont improve because the person who killed someone is dead. And I feel i know this first hand. This sounds harsh i know...but life is too short to sit around being depressed nomatter what happens to you. So wipe your vaginas and make some good happen in the world

12-12-2005, 06:23 PM	#11
BlueWire Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,628	errr *lemonade out of lemons Speaking of smart/educated people...I guess I'm NOT one of them