50........... :)

simply getting at the fact that you really have absolutely no idea what you are talking about-
1. the pentagon is completley fortified with concrete and stone and was designed and built to withstand bomb blasts

2. educated people who understand science have agreed that the structure of the plane did relatively zero damage to the pentagon- the majority of the damage was from the mass moving at high velocity.

"At that speed, the plane itself is like a sausage skin," Sozen said. "It doesn't have much strength and virtually crumbles on impact."

The plane's structure caused relatively little damage, and the explosion and fire that resulted from the crash also are not likely to have been dominant factors in the disaster, Sozen said.

http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4....Pentagon.html

So, a bunch of online pornographers are suddenly forensics experts?

And this is the theory that I believe.

This goes right along with the bombing or pearl. They new it was comming, and even made sure that it could happen. Did nothing, and walked thier declaration of war right through congress.

The only thing that I question about the Pentagon being hit, is that there are surface to air missles there. I know that for a fact, because a friends fathers company installed them.

Christ -- have you ever seen what happens to the structure of an aircraft at high speed when it hits a concrete wall? Pick out the large pieces...

http://www.sandia.gov/videos2005/F4-crash.asx

quick question to conspiracy theorists-

If American Airlines Flight 77 didn't crash into the Pentagon, what did happen to the jetliner and all its passengers?

I'm sure AA as well as the spouses I've met personally would like to know too...

whatever happened to flight 77- they grabbed the black boxes from it and stashed them at the crash site
http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dyn...5FAPboxes.html

To explain the "strange" things like unbroken glass you have to examine each discrepancy by itself instead of wrapping 20 unknown questions into 1.

The pentagon uses bullet proof glass , and is designed to withstand a hurricane.. Thats one possible explanation.. plus theres a video of the plane hiting the pentagon..

Some people have 2 jobs, or a hobby.

just post the video so everyone can shut up and admit a plane hit the pentagon

Wouldn't mind seein' that - got a link?

Yeah, really. Gawd forbid any of us have college and/or university degrees on here. We'd have our porn union memberships revoked.

Has anyone read David Icke's Book on 911

The guy is seen here in UK as a real nutter
all he does is accumilate different facts (if you believe) but makes a good read and very believable

anyone read the thermite story ????

Are are Quebecites so ignorant?

I didnt' have time to read this whole thread.

I don't believe the U.S. carried out the attacks....I simply believe they new about it. and let it happen.

I'd love to know how many of these conspiracy twits have had family members from AA 77 burst into years on their shoulders...

Overrrrraaaatteeeeeeeed.

I didn't rate them, asshat.

:winkwink:

That's their record. You must be a Seahawks fan....

Next time you add something of value will be the FIRST time, Donnie.

nooo patriots fan. and i know you didn't rate them. I'm just saying...everyone is over rating them.

missles no a small f15 or f18 yes

The NFC isn't all that deep... we shall see.
(I know they'd kick the shit out of the Pats.)

;)


Ya'll in any position to make a playoff run?

Just out of curiosity, what kind of wreckage are you expecting to see? Complete chunks of wing? Maybe fragments of fusalage that resemble pieces of an airplane? How many actual plane wreckages hae you seen?

Most of the conspiracy theory subscribers I've talked to seem to have a "Tom & Jerry" mentality when it comes to objects striking a wall. Ie. When Tom goes flying through a wall, there's a cat-shaped hole in the wall. Sorry folks, but that's not how things work in the real world.

BTW, do you honestly think that a facility like the Pentagon uses regular glass for windows?

They use special coated glass, expensive as fuck that stays together in 1 piece rather than a million small pieces.
The window could be completely broken but the coating simply keeps it together. Its no secret. You can read about it anywhere but these idiots dont want to know that shit.

http://www.wtc-terrorattack.com/pentagon__daten.htm
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I always hear from foreigners about "stupid Americans" and I really never gave it much thought. I just passed it off as jealousy :P But after reading these threads about people asking "Why aren't there holes in the building where the wing supposedly struck?" I can fully unstand why they think Americans are stupid *sigh*

Isnt it sad that people base conpiracy theories on idiotic things like the window didnt break. The reason why is totally explainable but they simply refuse to read about this. They dont bother thinking of a reason why or searching it up. Crazy. Instead they prefer to scream and yell about conspiracy crap.

shatter-resistant glass. Bomb proof glass. Please search it up these terms and then slap yourself in the face for being so ignorant.

Why is it that everytime I read one of your posts you come across dumber than the last time?

Hehe..well its simply ignorance. Very detailed 3d animations can be found on the web explaining EXACTLY how the plane hit the pentagon. How it completely disintegrated and where the wings went etc etc. Once again, its no secret. Everybody can read this or see it with his own eyes. Its just ignorance.

I'll bet that half of the kook Americans in this thread can't even name the model of Boeing aircraft that hit the Pentagon without googling it.

God -- that narrowbody with a 12'4" fuselage (outer) should've made such a big hole.

Yawn... This has been SOOOOO debunked.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

Over and over its been debunked, but the loony moonbats insist or repeating it. Say it enough and it might be true..... :1orglaugh

The History channel is showing some crazy shit right now about secret U.S. socities, and David Icke is being interviewed.

yet proceeds to make several posts quoting people in this thread.

:1orglaugh

- For the WTC, there are videos ( many of them ... ) of the planes actually hitting the towers.
- In Boston, they have the actual footage of the terrorists (including ATTA )

- In London, they have the photos of the " terrorists " in the subway.

But for the Pentagon, where there was warning of a plane been highjacked and diverted, there is little if not no video or pics...

That is the Pentagon,not a donut shop in Losttown, Arizona.

I have a hard time believing that there is no camera at the Pentagon taping the entrances and surroundings, and no cameras remotely taping the Pentagon.

And with the non-stop lies of this and previous administration, I think it is quite intellectually healthy to ask questions and get answers other than " the sky is falling" or the soundbytes of Baddog ...

:2 cents:

Informed people with a modicum of gray matter know the questions have been asked...and answered in detail...ad nauseam.

The most believable story about 9/11 is that the scrambled fighter jets chasing flight 93 did shoot it down. The "Let's roll!" story is a nice one and did happen. The first reports I heard of that day about flight 93 were all that the plane was shot down. Cheney DID give orders to shoot down the plane.

You people are retarded.

Yes they are.

Very very retarded.

actually, they do.

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/MariaPereyra.shtml

a larger cal .38 only moves at 180m/s, or 400mph. guess how fast a plane goes?

The left wing dipped into the ground immediately before impact. Also, on impact the plane disintegrated but you will find that the wings would collapse inwards hence no hole the size of a planes wingspan.

I don't think anyone has called them a Super Bowl team yet. However, their defense is incredible and they can run the ball very well. Those are two things that seem to have a big impact come playoff time. Put those two factors into sub zero temperatures at Soldier Field and I'd be hard pressed to find a team in the NFC that can compete. Do remember that the Bears just stomped on the Panthers and Bucs, two of the top teams in the conference.

It's possible that someone answered this in the thread already and I missed it ... but the one thing that NONE OF THESE theories can explain is WHYYYYYYYY WOULD WE SHOOT A ROCKET AT OURSELVES?

is there ANY MOTIVE WHATSOEVER? ... nobody really even gave a fuck about the pentagon when it came time to act in retaliation, it was only WTC anger fueling it.

I like the fact that this guy bases almost his entire argument on the assumption that the camera did NOT overexpose the footage too.

Call me old fashioned, but I'm going to stick to the theory of terrorists until someone can give me a better explanation - one that addresses motive.

Damn...that's the first time I've seen that - 'preciate the post.

Sickening to think of all those lost lives within the space of 5 simple video frames.

how fast do you THINK bullets fly?

most are at subsonic speeds as far as i know. And although the plane hit @ 350 mph (250 below their cruising speed), that's still 513 feet per second ... about half the velocity of a bullet (9mm), and still highly capable of generating the same phenomenon (ever see a pellet gun shoot at coke can full of water?)

its too bad there wasnt any cockpit video of any of the crashes , that would be something to see.

Im not saying im a Bush supporter, or I think that we know everything about 9/11. But I have to rebute this one, If it was a bomb then the window would've DEFINETLY got shattered, If u watched the video the pressure alone would destroy all windows close to it.