the girl with curly hair looks like Angela Basset. they're both hot.

Man, those chicks are hot

To be honest and not to sound like a dick.....I will be spending more than $1500 when I am there. I like to have fun and I do not mind spending for a good time. So for me to bar fine a few girls in a night and buy a few souvenirs is not uncommon for me.

For what Qon is doing and the amount he is charging is what most webmasters doing business would spend in a day/night at Internext.

The smaller gathering of webmasters can bring in a lot more business than some of those major shows. So this can be a small investment that can turn out to be big business for a webmaster who attends.

Me and a couple buds were talking about Q last night in fact. He's old school... been in the biz as long, if not longer than me... If I were thinking of going to Thailand... I'd definately trust him to take care of me and show me the ropes.

For those that are still sketical ... look at the names of people that have dropped in to say hi to him / are vouching for him

Those girls are pretty darn hawt.

First off, I am not cheap (I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion - as if being critical of someone who you think may be price gouging makes one cheap).

Secondly, I didn't get rich (and continue to get rich) by spending money foolishly on rip-off schemes.

If you are honest with yourself, and I believe you have traveled Thailand extensively as I have (I've made over a dozen trips in a 20+ year span), then you should realize that the prices Qon is charging for what he is offering are ridiculous (afterall, since he is "group booking" the locations, the price he pays to the facilities should be substantially lower than what he is passing on to people who pay for his service - if that's true, then he should have no problem disclosing the locations, etc).

I have no problem with Qon profiting from the difference between what he paid for group booking accomdations and the standard rates, but if he is charging far over market value, then yeah...he's ripping people off. In my book, stand-up guys don't do that (especially not to my fellow webmasters).

Any legitimate "licensed" travel agent I have ever dealt with has had no problem laying out my entire itinerary prior to me laying out a dollar (or baht in the case of Thailand).

I have refrained from all of the name calling and what not. That's unnecessary. Qon came spamming his "deal", and as one who has been there and done that, I simply called him out on it since to me it honestly seemed pretty outrageous.

My whole last trip to Thailand - all expenses - including airfare and hookers (which Qon doesn't cover) cost me less than $1,500, and I lived life large, not on the cheap as you and Qon keep implying.

BTW, I don't illegally photograph hookers in Thailand either. Instead I am so cheap that I spend upwards of $70,000 a year legally shooting here in California. It's not cheap, but the ROI (return on investment) is plenty to make it worth my while.

Anyway, I have no beef with you, and would in fact like to meet up with you some day Dugmor. I'm sure we would have some good stories to swap. Hell, cheap me, I'll even pick up the drink tab. :winkwink:

Same with Qon. I don't know you, so I don't dislike you, I am simply offering an alternative viewpoint for people to consider. This is an open forum as I recall, right?

If you want to lay out your intinerary for people, and show them what a great value you have to offer, you might even get more customers. :2 cents:

If on the other hand, if you don't want to show it because people will see that it's not such a great deal, and perhaps they are paying more for their accommodations than they would had they gone through another licensed travel agent, or you are stacking them double occupancy (not saying you do, but it's a common scam - making people pay double for single occupancy), then I understand your desire to say nothing while demanding money, and using fear tactics and hookers (that are not included in the expenses) as your primary pitch.

Thailand is a wonderful country to visit. There is much to see and do there. I encourage everyone to visit at least once (although after they visit once they will want to return again).

Fortunately there is more that one alternative for booking your stay...

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i'd hate to see what your opinion is of "first rate" if you think a 9-day tour in ANY foreign country for 1500US is expensive. yes, this means you ARE cheap & on top of it all, you must not read (or listen) since i broke all this down but... since you CONTINUE to be a fuckin ass, i'll break it down to you more.


the fact that you call this a rip-off scheme shows your ignorance & audacity. well, i don't have to vouch for my integrity as several people have done that (which i appreciate very much... thanks). so, what does that say about YOU?


maybe you didn't read my previous reply where i said ANYONE can contact me DIRECTLY to get this information. i will not be publishing where my guests will be staying... seems you like you just don't get this so we'll move on as i can't make it any more clear than i already have.


when is the last time you've been here? and when you came here did you stay in 5-star hotels or did you find the cheapest place that was simply clean? as someone ELSE has said in this thread, quality doesn't come cheap... even in thailand. no one that has been on my tour has felt ripped off... this isn't our first time doing this. is internext ripping people off cuz their passes are 300 bucks? do you see value in that? hell, you only get to walk around and look at the booths! :1orglaugh:


i am not a travel agent.... HELLO!!!! i answered this in the first reply... iteneraries are great for those who like the ADVENTURE of doing it alone... my guests don't come for fucking adventure they come to relax on a nice vacation where all those issues you DO have to concern yourself with on an ADVENTURE are no longer a concern. jeeeezus why don't you GET THIS??


no, it is necessary when it is quite obvious you're 1) hating on the fact that we CAN do this, we ARE doing this and we're GOOD AT IT or 2) you want to give me more thread views which is great but still makes you look like an idiot :2cents:


this is a SERVICE that includes all costs minus entertainment... you can go with the service or without the service. some prefer the service because in the long run it will save them time, money & headaches. find another tour to thailand for less (as i've said before... again). you won't. that's what market research is about. most of them cannot offer what we offer & they may not be as familiar with the landscape.


"legal" is a subjective term... it all depends on what you know, who you know & how much you have. whoever said i was shooting in thailand? :eek7


fuck you


nope... security reasons. personal contact for this info only... i won't say it again. i'm not saying the info is not available, i'm just saying i won't be putting it on the net for any & everyone to access. that's just irresponsible. your ignorance of this very simple concept is quite obviously the reason why you could NEVER organize an endeavour such as this.


:1orglaugh: hookers are fuckin great... do you have a problem with hookers? nobody i know does... especially the guys who come to thailand for multiple vacations. no one on my tour has to be concerned with staying in a room with another guest... as i've said, its individually first rate & even more enjoyable because of the group atmosphere. this isn't our first time doing this & the many cats who do know me, know how much i value my reputation & they will be treated like family while they are with me.


yes it's great... fortunately the people who WILL book this tour with US have a brain & can see your assassination tactics. did i fuck your girlfriend or somethin? maybe a bar girl you were sending money to? i dunno... but i guess i should thank you for this opportunity to expound on what we offer here. like i said, those interested can contact tony or myself personally for specifics as to daily activities, accomodations & other general questions. we always have a short orientation on arrival but anything to make you feel more comfortable (within reason) BEFORE you arrive is cool with me.

http://www.worldpleasuretours.com/ & info [AT] worldpleasuretours.com - hope to see you there :thumbsup

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Qon, you can't answer straight questions without throwing out insults or throwing up smoke screens...that's pretty feeble.

Your unprofessional responses speak volumes about your business acumen, or rather lack thereof. You sound like a taxicab hustler.

Anyone considering booking a trip with your snake oil style of operation should seriously also consult a real licensed travel agent before plunking any money down with you.

A good travel agent can easily hook you up with personal guides/translators and the works. Plus they won't curse at you for asking which hotels you will be staying at, and what specifically is included in the fee that you are paying. Those are the tactics of hustlers and con artists.

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so you are saying you just can't read? you can't be referring to me or anything i've posted because i've answered this concern... now, what else you do you have to say? if YOU PERSONALLY ARE INTERESTED IN GOING ON THIS TOUR, CONTACT TONY OR MYSELF DIRECTLY BY EMAIL FOR SPECIFICS AS THIS INFORMATION WILL NOT BE PUBLISHED FOR THE SECURITY & PRIVACY OF OUR TOUR GUESTS. can't get much more clear than that... now, if you would like to continue to ATTEMPT to assassinate my character & increase my threadviews... reply again with the same question. thanks! :thumbsup :1orglaugh

50..........

http://getpaidbaby.com/postedpix/112...dq_kukai_3.jpg

Best reason to go to Thai nowadays.

I have seen the places the guys will be sleeping and know what Qon can do. He is well connected in the scene here and has access to some bad ass girls. Girls that wont take photos or make videos, but will love you long time. :-)

As far as price... sure, you can do it yourself and save a few bucks. Or maybe not because it will be your first time and you will get hosed every time you turn around and not even know it. New guys will pay more for everything on their own. May as well pay the extra $ and do it in syle with guys who know the game here.

Now if you will excuse me, I'm gonna go throw my dick in one of them girls right now. I have been up to my dirty white ears in ladyboys (shooting) and need a young warm pussy to line me out.

Not at all. But when the police come, just tell them your an American and they will let you go.

i've met Qon too, by accident, in Pattaya actually... he was with DWB... cool cats and totally K-Man Approved!


ADG Webmaster, all I know of him is his chicks are almost always butt-ugly and he likes to sign off his posts with ADG Webmaster, as if we're too stupid to see that in his nickname... shrug

DWB, I know you are just trying to back up a bud, but you know that something is way out of whack with the price he is quoting simply for unspecified accomodations and transportation.

The baht to dollar rate right now is around 42 baht to the dollar. Aside from that, prices in Pattaya (where six of the eight nights are to be spent) are way down post-tsunami since many tourists are staying away.

I don't know Qon, so I don't know why you are covering for him, but if he is running a legal business, he has nothing to sweat in revealing where the lodging will be etc, so that people can be smart consumers.

As you know, finding "badass girls" in Thailand is no problem whatsoever. If anyone needs to pay 2-3 times the hotel rate to have a pimp like Qon find them ladies (which they then have to pay for - and Qon may get a kickback for) then they are seriously lagging.

If Qon had a legitimate package to offer, at reasonable rates, I wouldn't be saying boo, but he has chosen to attack me and take the low road, so I will have none of that.

Just as a test, check Expedia or any one of the other online travel services. Then check with a real licensed travel agent. You will see that Qon's deal is not what he is trying to make it out to be.

ADG Webmaster

So you also did not kick over $1,500 for accomdations/travel to Qon, but are vouching for him since you had a few drinks with him and perhaps he set you up with some hookers. You guys are too easy. Come to San Francisco and I'll set you up and then I will be a stand-up guy too. :1orglaugh

I'm sure Q's a great guy to party with. Lots of pimps and hustlers are.

The issue remains, is the price for accommodations and travel that he is quoting reasonable? Especially considering that he is NOT a licensed travel agent.

As for the personal attacks on my models and myself, that's pretty childish. I get mad views with nearly every post I do in GFY with my models, and my Memberships are doing just fine.

Here are my Alexa numbers for today:

Today: 43,418

1 wk. Avg: 22,161

3 mos. Avg: 39,939

Since my photo and video content is exclusive my conversion ratio is excellent.

I'm not sure what you do in the industry. Irregardless, you are coming off as a shill, unless you too are personally planning to shell out $1,500 for a 2 night stay in Bangkok, travel to Pattaya (and back), with 6 nights in Pattaya (not including flights to Thailand, and "incidentals (hookers, etc)".

It really doesn't matter how many people Qon can get to suck his dick and do the "stand-up" guy routine, the fact remains, that he is not a travel agent, and he is not being forthcoming about his package (for totally bogus reasons - as if it would be hard for U.S. or Thai police to book a trip undercover and bust him, and all of his patrons, if they were so inclined).

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I'm not sticking up anyone. I'm saying that for a new guy who has never been here, it's not a bad deal. A guy who has never been here just getting off the bus in Pattaya is going to be lost and maybe miss out on some good stuff. Qon has showgirls at his beckon call that will NOT just leave with anyone.

ADG, you and I have been to Thailand, we know the deal. This trip is not for guys like you and me. This trip is for guys who dont mind paying the little extra to be taken very good care of and have to deal with nothing other than where they are going to stick their cock in. There are people who do like to pay to be taken care of. Some people like all-inclusive resorts, some do not.

My problem with Qon is that he will not disclose his itinerary as any legitimate travel agent would. The only thing he possibly appears to be hiding/protecting is his potentially outlandish rates for the services he is offering.

I kind of assumed that on GFY we were supposed to be providing good advice for other webmasters, not directing them to people who will be shaking them down.

I'm sorry, but $1,500 in Thailand is a lot of money.

Honestly, here is just the first price quote to come up in Google (for flight, accomodations, guide and ground transportation):

http://www.pacificdelighttours.com/s...v_5SS07BKU.htm

I know I can do the same trip with flight and guides included for far less than what Qon is charging simply for accomodations and ground transportation (without being cheap, and having a great experience - probably as good or better than anyone who choses to go with Qon's scheme).

If Qon wants to do webmasters a favor, and still make a decent profit, I have no problem with that. If he wants to gouge people simply by spamming/trolling for suckers on GFY, then I do have a issue with that (as any seasoned traveler should).

If Qon would have ignored me, I would have let things lay after having my initial say, but instead he has decided to turn what appears to me so far to be a scam, into an attack on me, to legitimize his enterprise. Why should I be a party to that?

Anyway, I have better things to do. If Qon wishes to keep calling names and other nonsense, I could care less. It would be better if he would be honest about what his program really is (without the subterfuge).

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Holy web police batman! First Mormon pornographer I've seen. Why's this dude want an itinerary if he doesnt plan on going? So he can drop a dime on it?

I aint ever been to Thailand, but when I do, my man is Q.

The people you come across browsing forums, I tell ya, too funny to be real.

15 GFY posts = real funny

Your Alexa numbers = more funny (especially considering you operate a TGP)

Q's prices for a trip to a country "(you) ain't ever been to" = too funny

http://www.california.com/~ssea/rr/bbpics/assclown.jpg

Another bump for Q... :1orglaugh

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Nice and hot girls there.. have some good time on the shootings :) :thumbsup

She is so hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup

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Great pics :thumbsup

I was just talking to Q about this thread last night while we were getting our cocks sucked at a blow job bar.

He is not giving out the info to the public because of security reasons. It would be easy for some asshat to cause problems for the group and mess up the entire trip. For example, I will be rolling with this group and I shoot ILLEGALLY in Thailand and I don't want people who are not there getting private info about where I may be or will be at any given time. Posting that kind of info in a public forum is just dumb. However, I do know that once you book you will get all the info in detail.

There are lots of haters out there who would love nothing more than to fuck up another guys good time.