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Fifty moronic Maine rich boys in cowboy hats!

50 unchanged minds:)

"I started this war to distract the gullible while I looted the economy on behalf of my friends at Halliburton and Standard Oil. I knew conservatives would swallow anything if you wrapped it in a flag and served it with a bible. Hell they voted for me, didn't they? It's not like I'm qualified.

My recent physical beating at the hands of John McCain have made me realize however, that people who are not fabulously wealthy at birth are still people nevertheless, and deserve to be treated with fairness and dignity. Although I started this war for purely propagandistic purposes, I will endeavor from now on to bring it to an end in a way that will not result in either a bloody civil war or a militant theocratic government in Iraq."

god would you just SHUT THE FUCK UP you beer swilling retard?

You're too goddam dumb to even KNOW you're dumb, so please quit posting. It's very frustrating to watch.

The UN inspectors were not given time to finish their brief. The WMD case was an example of faith, the US admin thought Saddam had weapons but didn't have the evidence.

Why they didn't let the UN inspectors finish is speculation, a cynic might suggest it is because they knew they wouldn't find anything, or perhaps they just wanted to invade before Iraq go too hot. I can't think of a 'good' reason for hastening the invasion.

I do as I choose...not as some drugged out ultra liberal hippy freak would have me do. Have another toke...Danny boy...I have heard that it is supposed to have a calming affect. Maybe you better watch out on the munchies though...as the last picture I saw of you...you were somewhat of a fatass.

They had our military poised and could not wait for the sand storm season as well as the heat. As it turned out they actually waited to long into the season and did encounter the sand storms (which I was critical of the delay at the time that the delay was taking place). I have been there and know what the sand storms are like as well as the heat.

You are related to Saddam...aren't you?

He does not need support. He has the declaration of war, and unless they set up a vote to stop the war, he has free reign.

Sorry about the 3 years. I could not remember. I try not to. But for someone trying so hard to get support, it seems to me that he may be planning a longer stay.

so you're FOR torture? You're FOR curtailing the civil liberties of American citizens? You're FOR less accountability from the executive branch?

why do you hate America? Why don't you just leave and take all the other dimwitted facists who don't even realize they're facists along with you?

http://www.esoterically.net/log/imag...hdad050623.jpg



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He could go fuck himself, that might help.. :winkwink:

What "declaration of war" are you referring to? The US Congress is the only ones that can declare war and they have not done so since the Second World War.

No. No. No. I don't. NO!

THis is not going to end people like the king seem to forget. People in that part of the world have been fighting for thousands of years.

The duty of fixing Iraq lies with those who broke it. If USA chickens out now before the job is done it will have serious consequences for a lot of people, Americans most certainly included.

Or 3 years til he decides to Nuke someone.. or have someone nuke us so he can remain in power... Not so far fetched...

I'm still not convinced the 9/11 incident was a surprise to him...

I think 200 billion spent on those crazyass camel fuckers is quite enough. Fuck them. Let's leave.

He probably don't know how - he'll have to ask Condi :1orglaugh

you suck

Does that include paying the bill for the damage - without oil contracts? :winkwink:

who cares we are already there
 

i want gas prices at 1 dollar a gallon whose with me??????????

sure ..he could say
"goodbye cruel world"

Sad shit Paul!

Not sure, but I think that's one of Don McCulloch's pics. I know this guy - last I heard he was on a motorcycle heading for Bagdad when the "shock and awe" started - not bad of a 60 + year old! :winkwink:

Later another friend ended up hand processing a batch of his film stock and - I ain't seen the pics yet, but he says they are amazing stuff.

Don is one of these people who don't do this to earn money (tho he does!). He does it to show the stupidity of people and what lengths they will go. I remember asking what he does when he sees stuff like above - basically keeps shooting then turns away and weeps, - then tries to help if he can.

Don has been on more front lines than any military person - where there is a war, he's there. It's amazing he's still alive.

BTW... That little girl is still alive (no longer so little!). She lives in Los Angeles now and still remains in touch with Don :)

All this liberal babble is discouraging.

GWB liberated 30 million people in Iraq. Judge him in the decades to follow, and judge him but what the Iraqi citizens say.

Sure, oil was a factor, and GWB admitted it upfront. Isn't a dictator sitting on the second largest oil deposit in the world a US strategic interest?

GWB wasn't the only person who thought Iraq had WMDs. That's what happens in a closed society, such as under a dictatorship, where monitoring such things is very difficult. The UN, CIA, Kerry, Clinton, the US Congress and many many other domestic and foreign governmental agencies and officials all thought Saddam had WMDs. Why point a finger at GWB now and call him a liar? That is ridiculous.

Eastern Europe took 50 years to be set free after WWII. Why does GWB deserve only a tiny fraction of that time to fix Iraq?

Sure, the Baathists thugs and Qaeda terrorists are trying to keep power with violence. Why does this surprise you?

Liberals often ask: how could the US "allow the holocaust!" Well, are we not therefore obligated to fight back against a contemporary Hitler/ holocaust such as Saddam's chemical attacks against the civilians Kurds?

Even amid the violence, 80% of the provinces are back under Iraq control.

A constitution, free elections, and basic democracy have been established. A brutal dictator is removed, and is being tried by his own citizens.

Looks like pretty good progress to me.

I think GWB is a hero. He ended 11 years of waffling, indecision, and hand wringing. He stepped up to the plate. We're lucky to have him.

lol @ all you people arguing about bush and the war when you couldn't "round up enough troops" to vote him out of office last time around. just sit back, stfu, and deal with it...you got 3 more years...

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Oh boy DH! :1orglaugh

This misuse use of the word "liberal" is the first clue.

To even think in terms that Bush is a hero in any respect is like an iBill rep asking if the client got a check. The man has been a dismal failure in all aspects of his life - both prior to and during his term of office. (Particularly with money).

If you are serious in thinking the US is "lucky to have him" - well, sometimes it takes longer for reality to hit home :winkwink:

That's the idea. War profiteers don't make money during times of peace. A permanent war is their wet dream.

Anyone that STILL supports Bush is basically like a Holocaust denier - there's no point in talking to them. All you can do is take them out to the back yard and shoot them.

daddyhalbucks seems to be one of the few people thinking logically...

he wasn't voted into office the first time, he lost the popular election

the second time it was disputed and there was widespread election fraud.

don't blame this on the people of the US... plenty of them voted for Bush, but the majority did not

the United Nations even wanted to send in a team to inspect the elections process in the US because of the fraud and were not permitted to do so

yea but with all that said, who's president for the next 3 years? chuuuuut...

You proudly support the despot of the coup d'etat of your government?

It always strikes me as strange that on every public forum in the WORLD (fark, gfy etc and so on) people are about 150-1 against Bush and everything he does, yet somehow he won the election. Coincidentally the owner of Diebold is a rabid republican.

I think the dems were spineless, if they had kept at it they would have uncovered massive fraud. The elections were stolen. He is not our legitimate President.

About 20 minutes left until the speech...

OUI !! C'EST VRAI...

What is the worst thing that could have happened if they put off the invasion for nine months?

Powerful photograph but its meaning is not clear.

Is it meant to be political?

If the Americans simply left, say over the next 30 days, there would be serious chaos and civil war.

But would not that have happened after Hussein died, or was overthrown from within?

A stable dictatorship offers the advantage of order, and relative peace for those who are not political. The US government has had a policy of embracing stable dictatorships who are friendly to US interests.

Iraq, the Shiites, the Sunis, the Kurds, have no history of democracy. It will not be imposed on them, and certainly not by a western, imperialist, militaristic nation. The pro-democracy puppets that we see on TV are manuovering for position to gain power and the spoils of corruption.

There will be a civil war in Iraq. It is only a question of when.

Peace might be obtained if Iraq divides into three countries, divided by their tribalism. But the oil wealth would be sadly imbalanced, and that would keep civil war alive.

And US oil interests would not be served, and the Haliburton bills must be paid.

The Payne Stewart question remains unasked, let alone unanswered.

The American people have been abandoned by their press corps.

Yes, there is one very simple thing he can do to get me to stand behind his strategy: choose the right strategy.

The decision to start the war was made on the wrong grounds, and on exaggerating clues (and thereby turning suspicions into "evidence" where there was none). Most people now agree on that.

However, leaving now, while the Iraqi government isn't strong enough yet to protect its citizens and itself, would be disastrous.

At this point, the only right thing for the Americans would be to stay the distance. Yes, staying will fuel resentment, but so would leaving ("They invaded, then left us in ruins"). Aside from that, because the invasion has very successfully created the ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda that weren't there before (d'oh!), leaving now would count as a victory for Al Qaeda, the insurgents and Islamic fundamentalism as a whole.

The only sensible thing to do right now is to aid the Iraqi government in any possible way, provide them with much-needed military support and force them to pay attention to the interests of the Sunni minority as well as to the Kurds and the Shia. Only a fair, democratic Iraq will lessen support for fundamentalist terrorism in Iraq now. Any failure to achieve that will result in even more chaos and destruction, and will ultimately lead to a strong increase in support for terrorism.

Compare the reader base of forums like fark, gfy, etc with the viewer base of, say, Fox "News". Isn't Fox the most popular news channel in the US right now? And I think it's fairly safe to assume that the average Fox News viewer voted for Bush.

Remember, people intellectually unable to operate computers may still vote in presidential elections.

sadly, you're probably right... though it really wouldn't surprise me at all if he and cheney were ushered out of office before then either