Are you more likely to promote a NATS, Mansion, Exec Stats, standard CCBill program? - GoFuckYourself.com

AmeliaG · 11-25-2005, 07:52 PM

Are you more likely to promote a NATS, Mansion, Exec Stats, custom cascade, or standard CCBill program?

I like just using a standard CCBill affiliate system for SpookyCash. We've been able to have hosted galleries and a hosted TGP, POTDs, hosted free sites, mailing affiliates their personalized link codes, etc. without having to get a larger software package. But I'm wondering if there are some people who would promote or promote more if I switched to another system.

If you would be more likely to promote a program which utilized something other than the standard CCBill affiliate system, which system would you find most attractive as an affiliate for which features?

Fucksakes · 11-25-2005, 07:54 PM

I myself never done well with ccbill.

adultchica · 11-25-2005, 07:54 PM

WEll, I don't promote ccbill sponsors at all anymore.

NATS or their own cascading billing system such as that (doesn't matter which) but never ccbill

I have had too much bad luck with ccbill sponsors over the last 4 years for it to be a coincidence. Not when everything else converts fine ;-)

ss821z · 11-25-2005, 08:00 PM

I always seem to do better (in terms of $) with sponsors that use X3Scripts PartnerSoft or their own custom affiliate script/system. But NATS has nice features for affiliates.

selena · 11-25-2005, 08:01 PM

I have more ccbill sponsors than anything else.

AmeliaG · 11-25-2005, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ss821z

I always seem to do better (in terms of $) with sponsors that use X3Scripts PartnerSoft or their own custom affiliate script/system. But NATS has nice features for affiliates.

Links please?

aico · 11-25-2005, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Links please?

http://www.x3scripts.com/

WiredGuy · 11-25-2005, 08:07 PM

I always look for some sort of cascading billing. If you rely on a single billing agent to process, that's a big no-no for me. As for which backend is a preference, I don't really have one.
WG

AmeliaG · 11-25-2005, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by aico

http://www.x3scripts.com/

Thanks. I don't think I've promoted a site which uses that. Anyone have a couple examples of sites which use PartnerSoft? One or two links would be much appreciated.

TDF · 11-25-2005, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Thanks. I don't think I've promoted a site which uses that. Anyone have a couple examples of sites which use PartnerSoft? One or two links would be much appreciated.

www.soulcash.com

www.wcpcash.com

www.nastydollars.com

www.metalcash.com

Adult-biz · 11-25-2005, 08:24 PM

NATS & Exec Stats are excellent imho.
Cascading options are essential nowadays I feel.

Always have had miserable results with CCBill so tend to steer clear of them.

ss821z · 11-25-2005, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TDF

www.soulcash.com

www.wcpcash.com

www.nastydollars.com

www.metalcash.com

www.bangbrosonline.com

www.ragecash.com

ss821z · 11-25-2005, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I always look for some sort of cascading billing. If you rely on a single billing agent to process, that's a big no-no for me.

Agreed, with their own merchant account like ClickCash, a further huge plus.

Paparazzi · 11-25-2005, 08:48 PM

I'm not sure what it is, but I can't convert with nats sponsors

I convert ok with sponsors using x3scripts and pure ccbill. Personally I hate when sponsors using pure ccbill and switch to cascading billing WITHOUT having the option to continue pushing the program with the old codes. Think about it Amelia if/before you switch to cascading may it be nats, mansion etc or you might lose webmasters stop pushing your program. Just a tip

AmeliaG · 11-25-2005, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Paparazzi

I'm not sure what it is, but I can't convert with nats sponsors

I convert ok with sponsors using x3scripts and pure ccbill. Personally I hate when sponsors using pure ccbill and switch to cascading billing WITHOUT having the option to continue pushing the program with the old codes. Think about it Amelia if/before you switch to cascading may it be nats, mansion etc or you might lose webmasters stop pushing your program. Just a tip

I never understand it when programs switch affiliate methods and make everyone's codes invalid, when they don't have to. As an affiliate, that totally pisses me off, so the Golden Rule means I wouldn't want to do that to my affiliates. SpookyCash's CCBill affiliate tours currently go to their own leak-proof tours as is and I can't think of any reason to change that. Maybe I am missing something, but, even if I add a cascade system, keeping the CCBill tours active doesn't cost me anything and keeps affiliates, so the current tours and link codes stay regardless. My only question is whether to add additional ways to promote SpookyCash.

Paparazzi · 11-25-2005, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I never understand it when programs switch affiliate methods and make everyone's codes invalid, when they don't have to. As an affiliate, that totally pisses me off, so the Golden Rule means I wouldn't want to do that to my affiliates. SpookyCash's CCBill affiliate tours currently go to their own leak-proof tours as is and I can't think of any reason to change that. Maybe I am missing something, but, even if I add a cascade system, keeping the CCBill tours active doesn't cost me anything and keeps affiliates, so the current tours and link codes stay regardless. My only question is whether to add additional ways to promote SpookyCash.

Great to hear. Sure go for it! More promoting options=more webmasters pushing your program

Brujah · 11-25-2005, 09:17 PM

Please do cascade billing AmeliaG!!

Nightwind · 11-25-2005, 09:49 PM

I don't care as long as they can pay via epass and have good quality content/fhg's.

xNetworx · 11-25-2005, 09:53 PM

www.weconvert.com uses MPA3 and has cascading billing. We like the setup

AmeliaG · 11-26-2005, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightwind

I don't care as long as they can pay via epass and have good quality content/fhg's.

Is epassporte payout really that much of a plus? Like enough to decide one on a program? If so, why?

asl · 11-26-2005, 01:29 AM

Because european webmaster are charged 15 Euros per check they deposit at the bank. That makes epassporte cheaper and faster

2HousePlague · 11-26-2005, 01:36 AM

Special considerations are always nice, and can certainly sway a decision in almost any direction. But all things being as they are, ccbill, by far.

2hp

fuzebox · 11-26-2005, 01:40 AM

Having built cascading solutions for clients in the past, I would never entrust an affiliate program to any one biller, including ccbill. There is too much money being lost... 3rd party stats is where it's at, cut your own cheques and make more money for your affiliates.

Pornwolf · 11-26-2005, 01:47 AM

Doesn't matter to me. It depends on the site itself.

SomeCreep · 11-26-2005, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ss821z

I always seem to do better (in terms of $) with sponsors that use X3Scripts PartnerSoft

A lot of big programs use that software. It seems pretty solid. I wonder why there isnt more buzz around it.

Nathan · 11-26-2005, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Paparazzi

I'm not sure what it is, but I can't convert with nats sponsors

I convert ok with sponsors using x3scripts and pure ccbill. Personally I hate when sponsors using pure ccbill and switch to cascading billing WITHOUT having the option to continue pushing the program with the old codes. Think about it Amelia if/before you switch to cascading may it be nats, mansion etc or you might lose webmasters stop pushing your program. Just a tip

Hi Paparazzi... just curious, which ones did you try that you have performed badly with?

E Guru · 11-26-2005, 02:45 AM

the admin thats are nice but the affiliate stats totally suck balls

AmeliaG · 11-26-2005, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by E Guru

the admin thats are nice but the affiliate stats totally suck balls

For which systems? Is there a system with affiliate stats which you like?

Dalai lama · 11-26-2005, 03:39 AM

I dont like the CCBill backend at all, I only use a few of them. Else it doesnt matter which script or anything they have as backend.

mn · 11-26-2005, 03:42 AM

For me,

epassporte is a must,

and I would never send much traffic if its a ccbill sponsor where I sign up directly with them. If I can sign up with your program so ccbill doesn't know who I am (to avoid being on a special scrub list), then its ok with ccbill.

Other than that any script or solution is ok with me.

DutchTeenCash · 11-26-2005, 03:49 AM

were thinkin bout it, nats, but for some smaller aff its not what they want, if you set payouts >100 they takes ages to get that on all sponsors, just because they have little traffic.

Its a great prg though.

Krille · 11-26-2005, 03:53 AM

ccbill sux hard, nats is the way to go

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 11-26-2005, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I always look for some sort of cascading billing. If you rely on a single billing agent to process, that's a big no-no for me. As for which backend is a preference, I don't really have one.
WG

What he said cept I do like MPA.

Digipimp · 11-26-2005, 04:00 AM

anything but ccbill is an improvement almost. something that tracks raw, uniques and join hits is great too. cascading billing is a must.

Manowar · 11-26-2005, 04:01 AM

x3scripts

bigdog · 11-26-2005, 04:05 AM

The only bad thing when smaller affilate programs start to use nats and mpa is that they our responsible for sending out checks.

jayeff · 11-26-2005, 04:07 AM

I won't knowingly touch Mansion because of the shave issue in MPA2.

NATS is okay in general (although I cannot say I have noticed any $$$ impact, which I guess anyway depends on the processors in use), but it takes for ever to pull FHG's from most of their multi-site users, since pic and movie galleries have to be generated one type at a time, separately for each site they have.

I haven't felt good about ccBill ever since I had my own cards rejected by them on a few sites. These were long-standing, UK-issue cards with high limits that I paid off in full every month, so I can't imagine what kind of algorithm trapped them. And I don't like that they make it impossible to pull detailed stats into something like statsRemote unless you have each sponsor separately in their system (which then makes it horrible to get the links and so on from the sponsors who keep that stuff "inside" ccBill).

I haven't noticed other systems in use widely enough to get a real impression of them and anyway payment processing is only one aspect of a sponsor's profile. I suspect we are losing a lot of money with all of them, since I imagine they all kill a lot of good sales to minimize their risks.

Trax · 11-26-2005, 04:24 AM

no ccbill
no mansion for me

Satisfaction · 11-26-2005, 04:26 AM

im a ccbill and NATS man myself..

Why · 11-26-2005, 04:50 AM

whoever makes me the most money at the end of the day.

and yes epassporte is an awesome payout option but also makes it easier for people to hide.

prairie · 11-26-2005, 05:09 AM

I promote a ton of different sponsors ccbill/nats and will alwaysd put ccbill ahead of nats. I just added up all the money owed to me from nats sponsors and it's over $1500 but because I have not reached the minimum whatever for the current period i won't see a check until I generate another sale or two. With CCBILL I know I can go to the mailbox Monday morning and a cheque will be there like clockwork. If CCBILL was the processor for all adult sites we would all be loaded but with NATS it just seems like I am working to pay for sponsors new S.U.V.'s

Paparazzi · 11-26-2005, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

Hi Paparazzi... just curious, which ones did you try that you have performed badly with?

don't want to post it here

adonthenet · 11-26-2005, 06:16 AM

only nats!

TMM_John · 11-26-2005, 06:56 AM

Just a quick clarification on a point several people have made. The $100 min payout is not a NATS requirement. It's simply the default which most sponsors don't change. They could have a $1 minimum payout if they chose to do so. It's entirely configurable and up to the sponsor program (like nearly everything in NATS). You should contact the sponsor programs and ask them if they can provide you a lower minimum payout if you would like one.

andrej_NDC · 11-26-2005, 07:09 AM

ccbill mostly...(or epoch, but also as a stand-alone) I dont feel like losing sales on other software, too many bugs

Quotealex · 11-26-2005, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I never understand it when programs switch affiliate methods and make everyone's codes invalid, when they don't have to.

Yup. It first happenedf to me with JennaCash back in the days and I jjust deleted all my sites with them without signing up to their new program;I did the same for all sponsors that try to force me to switch by invalidating the CCBILL accounts and will continue to do the same for all future sdponsors. I just hate sponsors that try to "bully" with this tactic.

On the other hand, I did eventually signed up to sponsors that kept all affiliates CCBILL activated when the went into cascading.

spacedog · 11-26-2005, 07:11 AM

I wouldnt knowingly waste my time with a sponsor that uses mansion because of shaving.
CCbill, well, many sponsors I choose to push use it, so I have no control over it, but feel i would & the sponsor would definately make money if they cascaded or switched systems. Also note that ccbill is extremely easy to manipulate & a dishonest sponsor can easily configure to cheat the webmaster. Not too long ago there was a program owner asking particular questions regarding ccbill & reading his/her questions, it looked like to me this sponsor wanted to manipulate the system to cheat webmasters.

Nats- It's fairly new, there's alot of buzz, it seems to work extremely well & people swear by it, however, I havent made a single cent with any program that uses it??

the others, I am sure some sponsors I push use it, but I dont know which ones, so really cant form an opinion on it.

11-25-2005, 07:52 PM	#1
AmeliaG Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,572	Are you more likely to promote a NATS, Mansion, Exec Stats, standard CCBill program? Are you more likely to promote a NATS, Mansion, Exec Stats, custom cascade, or standard CCBill program? I like just using a standard CCBill affiliate system for SpookyCash. We've been able to have hosted galleries and a hosted TGP, POTDs, hosted free sites, mailing affiliates their personalized link codes, etc. without having to get a larger software package. But I'm wondering if there are some people who would promote or promote more if I switched to another system. If you would be more likely to promote a program which utilized something other than the standard CCBill affiliate system, which system would you find most attractive as an affiliate for which features? __________________ GFY Hall of Famer AltStar Hall of Famer Blue Blood's SpookyCash.com Babe photography portfolio

11-25-2005, 07:54 PM	#3
adultchica Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: usa Posts: 5,141	WEll, I don't promote ccbill sponsors at all anymore. NATS or their own cascading billing system such as that (doesn't matter which) but never ccbill I have had too much bad luck with ccbill sponsors over the last 4 years for it to be a coincidence. Not when everything else converts fine ;-) __________________

11-25-2005, 08:01 PM	#5
selena Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: On The Edge Posts: 7,994	I have more ccbill sponsors than anything else. __________________ ~ Doer of Things at MetArtMoney Where Flawless Beauty Meets Art ~The MetArt Network ~ selena.delgado9

11-25-2005, 08:07 PM	#8
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,488	I always look for some sort of cascading billing. If you rely on a single billing agent to process, that's a big no-no for me. As for which backend is a preference, I don't really have one. WG __________________ I play with Google.

11-25-2005, 08:48 PM	#14
Paparazzi Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,488	I'm not sure what it is, but I can't convert with nats sponsors I convert ok with sponsors using x3scripts and pure ccbill. Personally I hate when sponsors using pure ccbill and switch to cascading billing WITHOUT having the option to continue pushing the program with the old codes. Think about it Amelia if/before you switch to cascading may it be nats, mansion etc or you might lose webmasters stop pushing your program. Just a tip __________________ Pure Level(3) Premium Bandwidth When Quality Counts

11-25-2005, 07:54 PM	#2
Fucksakes Shit... Fuck! What the Hell? Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,567	I myself never done well with ccbill.

11-25-2005, 08:00 PM	#4
ss821z Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 87	I always seem to do better (in terms of $) with sponsors that use X3Scripts PartnerSoft or their own custom affiliate script/system. But NATS has nice features for affiliates.

11-25-2005, 08:24 PM	#11
Adult-biz Service Provider Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,139	NATS & Exec Stats are excellent imho. Cascading options are essential nowadays I feel. Always have had miserable results with CCBill so tend to steer clear of them.

11-25-2005, 09:17 PM	#17
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Please do cascade billing AmeliaG!! __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

11-25-2005, 09:49 PM	#18
Nightwind Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: ICQ: 303-282-636 Posts: 4,786	I don't care as long as they can pay via epass and have good quality content/fhg's. __________________

11-25-2005, 09:53 PM	#19
xNetworx So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Whore Island Posts: 14,445	www.weconvert.com uses MPA3 and has cascading billing. We like the setup

11-26-2005, 01:29 AM	#21
asl Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 444	Because european webmaster are charged 15 Euros per check they deposit at the bank. That makes epassporte cheaper and faster __________________ Paysite owners: Submit your site for reviewing and touch a French audience.

11-26-2005, 01:36 AM	#22
2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	Special considerations are always nice, and can certainly sway a decision in almost any direction. But all things being as they are, ccbill, by far. 2hp __________________ tada!

11-26-2005, 01:40 AM	#23
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,142	Having built cascading solutions for clients in the past, I would never entrust an affiliate program to any one biller, including ccbill. There is too much money being lost... 3rd party stats is where it's at, cut your own cheques and make more money for your affiliates.

11-26-2005, 01:47 AM	#24
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Doesn't matter to me. It depends on the site itself. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

11-26-2005, 02:45 AM	#27
E Guru Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 658	the admin thats are nice but the affiliate stats totally suck balls __________________ Guru

11-26-2005, 03:39 AM	#29
Dalai lama Strength and Honor Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 16,540	I dont like the CCBill backend at all, I only use a few of them. Else it doesnt matter which script or anything they have as backend. __________________ A program you can trust. Gallerybooster Run multiply TGPs of 1 script

11-26-2005, 03:42 AM	#30
mn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,505	For me, epassporte is a must, and I would never send much traffic if its a ccbill sponsor where I sign up directly with them. If I can sign up with your program so ccbill doesn't know who I am (to avoid being on a special scrub list), then its ok with ccbill. Other than that any script or solution is ok with me.

11-26-2005, 03:49 AM	#31
DutchTeenCash I like Dutch Girls Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: dutchteencash.com Posts: 21,684	were thinkin bout it, nats, but for some smaller aff its not what they want, if you set payouts >100 they takes ages to get that on all sponsors, just because they have little traffic. Its a great prg though. __________________ ICQ 16 91 547 - SKYPE dutchteencash bob AT dutchteencash DOT com ... did you see our newest Sweet Natural Girl Priscilla (18)?

11-26-2005, 03:53 AM	#32
Krille Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bangkok Posts: 2,436	ccbill sux hard, nats is the way to go

11-26-2005, 04:00 AM	#34
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	anything but ccbill is an improvement almost. something that tracks raw, uniques and join hits is great too. cascading billing is a must. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

11-26-2005, 04:01 AM	#35
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	x3scripts

11-26-2005, 04:05 AM	#36
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	The only bad thing when smaller affilate programs start to use nats and mpa is that they our responsible for sending out checks.

11-26-2005, 04:07 AM	#37
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	I won't knowingly touch Mansion because of the shave issue in MPA2. NATS is okay in general (although I cannot say I have noticed any $$$ impact, which I guess anyway depends on the processors in use), but it takes for ever to pull FHG's from most of their multi-site users, since pic and movie galleries have to be generated one type at a time, separately for each site they have. I haven't felt good about ccBill ever since I had my own cards rejected by them on a few sites. These were long-standing, UK-issue cards with high limits that I paid off in full every month, so I can't imagine what kind of algorithm trapped them. And I don't like that they make it impossible to pull detailed stats into something like statsRemote unless you have each sponsor separately in their system (which then makes it horrible to get the links and so on from the sponsors who keep that stuff "inside" ccBill). I haven't noticed other systems in use widely enough to get a real impression of them and anyway payment processing is only one aspect of a sponsor's profile. I suspect we are losing a lot of money with all of them, since I imagine they all kill a lot of good sales to minimize their risks.

11-26-2005, 04:24 AM	#38
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	no ccbill no mansion for me

11-26-2005, 04:26 AM	#39
Satisfaction WootWootCash.com Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 10,900	im a ccbill and NATS man myself..

11-26-2005, 04:50 AM	#40
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	whoever makes me the most money at the end of the day. and yes epassporte is an awesome payout option but also makes it easier for people to hide.

11-26-2005, 05:09 AM	#41
prairie Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 297	I promote a ton of different sponsors ccbill/nats and will alwaysd put ccbill ahead of nats. I just added up all the money owed to me from nats sponsors and it's over $1500 but because I have not reached the minimum whatever for the current period i won't see a check until I generate another sale or two. With CCBILL I know I can go to the mailbox Monday morning and a cheque will be there like clockwork. If CCBILL was the processor for all adult sites we would all be loaded but with NATS it just seems like I am working to pay for sponsors new S.U.V.'s __________________ Daily Hotties

11-26-2005, 06:16 AM	#43
adonthenet Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,753	only nats!

11-26-2005, 06:56 AM	#44
TMM_John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,664	Just a quick clarification on a point several people have made. The $100 min payout is not a NATS requirement. It's simply the default which most sponsors don't change. They could have a $1 minimum payout if they chose to do so. It's entirely configurable and up to the sponsor program (like nearly everything in NATS). You should contact the sponsor programs and ask them if they can provide you a lower minimum payout if you would like one. __________________ Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

11-26-2005, 07:09 AM	#45
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	ccbill mostly...(or epoch, but also as a stand-alone) I dont feel like losing sales on other software, too many bugs

11-26-2005, 07:11 AM	#47
spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149	I wouldnt knowingly waste my time with a sponsor that uses mansion because of shaving. CCbill, well, many sponsors I choose to push use it, so I have no control over it, but feel i would & the sponsor would definately make money if they cascaded or switched systems. Also note that ccbill is extremely easy to manipulate & a dishonest sponsor can easily configure to cheat the webmaster. Not too long ago there was a program owner asking particular questions regarding ccbill & reading his/her questions, it looked like to me this sponsor wanted to manipulate the system to cheat webmasters. Nats- It's fairly new, there's alot of buzz, it seems to work extremely well & people swear by it, however, I havent made a single cent with any program that uses it?? the others, I am sure some sponsors I push use it, but I dont know which ones, so really cant form an opinion on it.