not yet, thats why Im trying a different processor right now...epoch EU would be added when they solve their problems

You get more sales on a trial from epoch because they have a tpost form but more trials to full with ccbill :2 cents:

Almost daily i see post about scrub rates and CCbill or Epoch and i serious doubt the fluctuations have a lot to do with just scrubbing.
We have our own merchant account as well as CCbill programs and Epoch programs and having your own merchant account is by no means the answer to higher sales. For example if you don't use someone's verification portal ( scrub list ) you will have to do this yourself 24/7 it isn't easy believe me.. I would guess CCbill and Epoch have the most comprehensive verification system on the web and its necessary to control charge backs.

Sign-ups are influenced by so many factors including holidays, time of year, site design, speed of access to site, quality of tour, position of join buttons ( CCbill on top of Epoch or vice versa makes a big difference ), proliferation of adult site over the last 5 years, quantity of free images available on the web, keeping site up to date, number of updates per week, exclusive or shared content, traffic sources, time surfers receive their paychecks, The list goes on and on and while im sure the scrub rates change and do have some influence on sales it is not the main reason sales fluctuate daily :2 cents:
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tushy cash have it this way, you choose which one you want primary ccbill or epoch. You can also continue with the old ccbill codes if you want :thumbsup The thing I HATE with paycom is that you can't merge accounts, they don't send wires and correct me if I'm wrong can't setup payout limit :( This is why I'm still using the old ccbill codes for tushy cash...

tpost form?

Having your own merchant account certainly gives you more control to maximize conversions, receive daily payouts, ect... However, you should use a gateway and calll center that will handle customer service,. processing and scrubbing for you. Nobody should try to do it on their own unless they have all of these factors in place.

That is why we are here and very successful since 1998.

Mitch

Are you sure epoch doesnt send wires to affiliates? And I think you can already merge accounts with them, not 100% sure about it though.

i run a paysite doing reasonable volume. We have tested a 50/50 split of sending the initial join to ccbill versus epoch and epoch hands down pushed more transactions through. The scrub at paycom is in my opinion actually more sophisticated and the reason fewer people complete transactions at ccbill is because the forms are much longer and more complex. Paycom's join form is the epitomy of simplicity.

Great thread, thanks.

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yes it helps break things up so its not so overwhelming :2 cents:

I do not understand why Epoch is not offering click through stats for affiliates. They had it in the past but for some reason it is not up and
running at the moment. It is imho the most important part of this
"game" to see where sales are coming from and which sites convert.

Also I do not like the technical documentation they offer it is way to
low level tech minded someone should rewrite it in a way ordinary webmasters can understand it (as it is now or as I know it only nerds can)

Just my 2 cents.

All I can say is, that I am happy with ccbill.

I did a similar test but I run my own pay sites so it wasn't through an affiliate. To be honest, we did more joins with Paycom but had better conversions with CCBill. I have no idea why.

If you want to do it right, then promote sponsors that using cascading processing. Our program is in a rehad stage and we will be offering cascading very soon when we release our new version.

good thread needs a bump

if Im not mistaken, epoch is working on a new system right now, with all the features ccbill has...at least I hope they will have it all

where have you been so long?

You have to explain this to me. If you send 20k hits to a paycom tour and 20k hits to a ccbill tour, how can be one tour better converting and still make less sales?

King Adam, you have the whole 2006 to answer this lol

In my experience epoch is to restrictive.

My perfectly good german cc is declined by Epoch by country!!!! CCBill takes it. Blocking Germany means blocking one of the highest markets after the US.

Most large programs use paycom as primary. So regardless of what countries one processor accepts programs make more money using paycom.

large programs do bigger mistakes than this

maybe they prefer epoch because of pre-checked cross sales :)

yep thats one of the reasons