Ynot.com ad problem No leads Advise needed - GoFuckYourself.com

Peace · 11-21-2005, 05:48 AM

I placed add for www.classycontent.com on Ynot.com . 900$ ad Nice ad in the middle of the pages left side..and 3 weeks past and i got nothing not even a lead or nock in ICQ...I still did not pay the bill so i am confussed...Ussualy one customer with 2000$ order would break me even and i would be happy getting exposure..But here threres NOTHING...

What would you do?

AaronM · 11-21-2005, 05:49 AM

Pay the fucking bill.

Marie · 11-21-2005, 05:51 AM

I would have paid the bill on time.

ChatCash_Rob · 11-21-2005, 07:32 AM

You typically don't see much back with ads on wm boards these days, more about branding. You owe what you owe and don't forget they recurr unless you cancel ;)

TheLegacy · 11-21-2005, 08:10 AM

Pay the bill.. sorry to hear about your ad not doing well, we have several spots on there and are doing well for over a year

Peace · 11-21-2005, 10:20 AM

I should pay the bill I think and it is up to them what they going to do...I get orders from other saurses of advertising and I know it is not about content...So they have may be not the right traffic for me...I will am sending the check to them.

TheLegacy · 11-21-2005, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peace

I should pay the bill I think and it is up to them what they going to do...I get orders from other saurses of advertising and I know it is not about content...So they have may be not the right traffic for me...I will am sending the check to them.

their traffic is webmaster.. and I repeat myself that I get a shitload of hits from YNOT and it has increased dramatically our sales since I got them on board over a year ago. If your having such a hard time then I suggest you contact them and ask someone there directly whats going on instead of bringing up their name on another board

webair · 11-21-2005, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

Pay the fucking bill.

agreed our ads do well there...do you have stats?

twinkley · 11-21-2005, 11:11 AM

Good Morning Everyone!

First let me start off saying that over at YNOT, we take pride in the fact that we will do everything in our power to make sure our advertisers are happy, and are getting good returns on their advertising. If you are unhappy or concerned with your advertising results, the first thing you should really do is CONTACT US.

Not paying your bill ... well, thats just wrong, but im not going to go into that for now, as accounting will deal with that.

If you would like, I will be happy to post a screenshot of your stats-to-date direct from our ad server. I'm sure that most here will agree that the job of advertising is to drive qualified traffic to your site and increase your brand. We have done this for you, at a VERY good price, and will be happy to show your returns from us here if you so wish.

I want to thank the YNOT advertisers that posted their good results with us in this thread. We appreciate your loyalty and support guys, and hope to continue a mutually beneficial relationship for a LONG LONG TIME!

And now back to your previously scheduled monday!

twinkley
YNOT Sales and Support

Peace · 11-21-2005, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twinkley

Good Morning Everyone!

First let me start off saying that over at YNOT, we take pride in the fact that we will do everything in our power to make sure our advertisers are happy, and are getting good returns on their advertising. If you are unhappy or concerned with your advertising results, the first thing you should really do is CONTACT US.

Not paying your bill ... well, thats just wrong, but im not going to go into that for now, as accounting will deal with that.

If you would like, I will be happy to post a screenshot of your stats-to-date direct from our ad server. I'm sure that most here will agree that the job of advertising is to drive qualified traffic to your site and increase your brand. We have done this for you, at a VERY good price, and will be happy to show your returns from us here if you so wish.

I want to thank the YNOT advertisers that posted their good results with us in this thread. We appreciate your loyalty and support guys, and hope to continue a mutually beneficial relationship for a LONG LONG TIME!

And now back to your previously scheduled monday!

twinkley
YNOT Sales and Support

I am not trying to make a scandal..Just asking why would that happen...And not avoiding paying the bill. Looking for the truth...Have 100% rights to post my thoughts everywhere i want.. Becuse i did not insult anyone..just asked what people think and do...I agree with what you say..You may post starts if you like...Does it mean my site sucks?

ArkansasDave · 11-21-2005, 11:27 AM

YNOT is a great and honest group. I'm confident if you even up with your bill they will find something that will work out well with your advertising needs.

TheSenator · 11-21-2005, 11:55 AM

Pay your bill...

TheLegacy · 11-21-2005, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peace

I am not trying to make a scandal..Just asking why would that happen...And not avoiding paying the bill. Looking for the truth...Have 100% rights to post my thoughts everywhere i want.. Becuse i did not insult anyone..just asked what people think and do...I agree with what you say..You may post starts if you like...Does it mean my site sucks?

well its not my place to comment on another company - but since we are not direct competitors ( I plugin movies ) you picture/movie content I think my comments can be taken I hope with a grain of salt.

The overall layout of your website doesnt really strike me. I would suggest having on your main page the best of the best of your photo content so immediately impress those hitting on it. I would seriously remove all the links to other sites below so as not to bleed traffic but it also takes away from your main goal.. to get webmasters to click inside to learn more.

Your text does not make me want to click anywhere.. I may suggest animated gif's that grabs the eyes attention to click. The whole site is black and white with banners below that draws the eye away.

The text that describes your content is lost in the upper portion and doesnt really stand out - once again this is where your pictures come into play showing what you got - not just saying it.

I humbly suggest that you create a sales feature section on the front page to promote any packages you have - give them a reason to buy. This may also include some valued clients of yours giving your site praise (referrals).

This goes back to your banners now - I havent seem them on YNOT - so if you want to post them here that would be good, but if they are any indication of your site - you need to bump them up a bit to sizzle.

The whole site and personality of the company needs some "pimpin" if I can be so bold or simply put - drive interest to your stuff and what you are selling that makes you unique and on top of they game out there.

--------

If twinkley says that you are getting hits, then you misrepresented yourself by saying nothing is happening. Something is !!

The team over there are masters at promotions and getting some "kick" into your stuff.. use them.. thats what your paying for. Dont abuse them as you imply here in this thread.

LAJ · 11-21-2005, 12:08 PM

Well folks... I certainly appreciate all the kind words about YNOT here.

And Peace... I gotta tell ya, I'm pretty disappointed with you. Danielle and I have done nothing but bend over backwards for you. Sure it's your prerogative to post anything you want anywhere you want... but when you start a thread on another board entitled "Ynot.com ad problem No leads Advise needed" how could you possibly in your right mind not think that it isn't inviting "scandal" as you so put it?

Any time you've needed us via email or ICQ... we've been there for you. You had a lot of questions beforehand... we answered them as honestly and as promptly as possible. We critiqued your ads for you and gave you what we considered to be good direction before they went up. Couldn't pay your bill on time for the first month?... No problem... Ads not ready to go up on time?...No problem... Needed some help with pricing your first month?... No problem... and on it goes.

We've been VERY patient with you in my opinion... Twinkley will be posting your stats here shortly... stats that you have had full access to since day one. Stats that will show that when your first month is over, you will quite possibly be paying less than $1 / webmaster clickthru.

Anyway... pay your bill which is now nearly a month late and your ads can come down on the 1st.

Hammer · 11-21-2005, 12:22 PM

Who here thinks that you shouldn't have to pay for advertising if the ad doesn't produce results? Anyone besides Peace?

Hammer · 11-21-2005, 12:28 PM

By the way Peace, the word is spelled COMPLIANT with an A. Just thought I'd mention it in case you wanted to change the banner in your sig. It's amazing how many people won't do business with a company when they see a glaring typo like that. Kind of looks uprofessional if you get my meaning.

TheLegacy · 11-21-2005, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hammer

By the way Peace, the word is spelled COMPLIANT with an A. Just thought I'd mention it in case you wanted to change the banner in your sig. It's amazing how many people won't do business with a company when they see a glaring typo like that. Kind of looks uprofessional if you get my meaning.

"Kind of looks uprofessional if you get my meaning"

thats 'unprofessional' if you catch my meaning

good call on the banner.. didnt see that myself at first glance

twinkley · 11-21-2005, 12:40 PM

I'm baaaack (I know you all missed me!)

Before I post these stats, I would like to say that as a rule, we do not publicly post the stats of ANY of our advertisers. These stats are for the use of YNOT in analyzing traffic trends and for the advertisers themselves to see how different campaigns affect their results. Since Peace has given us permission in this instance, below is a copy of his stats direct from our ad system from the day his campaign went up less than 20 days ago.

At the current average clickthru rate, by the time his month is up he will have gotten somewhere around 1130 clicks for the month, putting this campaign WELL within the dollar per click amount. (this number is based on the current stats averaged per day times the amount of time he has left on his campaign).

Alright, now I need to go do some work for all our other awesome advertisers!

Happy Monday!

twinkley

Peace · 11-21-2005, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hammer

By the way Peace, the word is spelled COMPLIANT with an A. Just thought I'd mention it in case you wanted to change the banner in your sig. It's amazing how many people won't do business with a company when they see a glaring typo like that. Kind of looks uprofessional if you get my meaning.

Thank you i will change it

NETbilling · 11-21-2005, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twinkley

Good Morning Everyone!

First let me start off saying that over at YNOT, we take pride in the fact that we will do everything in our power to make sure our advertisers are happy, and are getting good returns on their advertising. If you are unhappy or concerned with your advertising results, the first thing you should really do is CONTACT US.

Not paying your bill ... well, thats just wrong, but im not going to go into that for now, as accounting will deal with that.

If you would like, I will be happy to post a screenshot of your stats-to-date direct from our ad server. I'm sure that most here will agree that the job of advertising is to drive qualified traffic to your site and increase your brand. We have done this for you, at a VERY good price, and will be happy to show your returns from us here if you so wish.

I want to thank the YNOT advertisers that posted their good results with us in this thread. We appreciate your loyalty and support guys, and hope to continue a mutually beneficial relationship for a LONG LONG TIME!

And now back to your previously scheduled monday!

twinkley
YNOT Sales and Support

I have done business with Ynot for years and they are the cream of the crop.

Mitch

Peace · 11-21-2005, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLegacy

well its not my place to comment on another company - but since we are not direct competitors ( I plugin movies ) you picture/movie content I think my comments can be taken I hope with a grain of salt.

The overall layout of your website doesnt really strike me. I would suggest having on your main page the best of the best of your photo content so immediately impress those hitting on it. I would seriously remove all the links to other sites below so as not to bleed traffic but it also takes away from your main goal.. to get webmasters to click inside to learn more.

Your text does not make me want to click anywhere.. I may suggest animated gif's that grabs the eyes attention to click. The whole site is black and white with banners below that draws the eye away.

The text that describes your content is lost in the upper portion and doesnt really stand out - once again this is where your pictures come into play showing what you got - not just saying it.

I humbly suggest that you create a sales feature section on the front page to promote any packages you have - give them a reason to buy. This may also include some valued clients of yours giving your site praise (referrals).

This goes back to your banners now - I havent seem them on YNOT - so if you want to post them here that would be good, but if they are any indication of your site - you need to bump them up a bit to sizzle.

The whole site and personality of the company needs some "pimpin" if I can be so bold or simply put - drive interest to your stuff and what you are selling that makes you unique and on top of they game out there.

--------

If twinkley says that you are getting hits, then you misrepresented yourself by saying nothing is happening. Something is !!

The team over there are masters at promotions and getting some "kick" into your stuff.. use them.. thats what your paying for. Dont abuse them as you imply here in this thread.

man I kindly appreciate you taking time and letting me know this...I will work more to make site look better...That is what i need to do for sure..So i guess all in my fault not Ynot.

TheLegacy · 11-21-2005, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peace

man I kindly appreciate you taking time and letting me know this...I will work more to make site look better...That is what i need to do for sure..So i guess all in my fault not Ynot.

well I dont want to get into a 'whos fault it is' I am merely offering some suggestions that can offer some help in turning some of those hits your getting (1100). I am doing about double than with YNOT on my ad's so if your getting a good buck a click I am getting around 50cents per click. so it would appear that of the webmaster traffic your getting, they simply are not staying at your site for a reason.

As said, we are using the same traffic, so if I am doing well and your not feeling that the traffic is not turning for you - then this appears to be a matter of banners/site.

Manowar · 11-21-2005, 01:02 PM

have you paid the bill yet?

ronaldo · 11-21-2005, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAJ

Well folks... I certainly appreciate all the kind words about YNOT here.

And Peace... I gotta tell ya, I'm pretty disappointed with you. Danielle and I have done nothing but bend over backwards for you. Sure it's your prerogative to post anything you want anywhere you want... but when you start a thread on another board entitled "Ynot.com ad problem No leads Advise needed" how could you possibly in your right mind not think that it isn't inviting "scandal" as you so put it?

Any time you've needed us via email or ICQ... we've been there for you. You had a lot of questions beforehand... we answered them as honestly and as promptly as possible. We critiqued your ads for you and gave you what we considered to be good direction before they went up. Couldn't pay your bill on time for the first month?... No problem... Ads not ready to go up on time?...No problem... Needed some help with pricing your first month?... No problem... and on it goes.

We've been VERY patient with you in my opinion... Twinkley will be posting your stats here shortly... stats that you have had full access to since day one. Stats that will show that when your first month is over, you will quite possibly be paying less than $1 / webmaster clickthru.

Anyway... pay your bill which is now nearly a month late and your ads can come down on the 1st.

Hey Jay, while I agree that this thread wasn't the best idea, I can also understand someone trying to get a different point of view. If this thread was posted on Ynot, obviously he's not going to get ANY sympathy. I have NO doubt that both you and Danielle WERE very professional with him, but all he's probably seeing is the company that sold him the ads trying to justify the expense. There's certainly nothing wrong with that either btw.

Perhaps he should have asked a bunch of people with no association to Ynot offline, but I'm sure you can understand trying to get a non-biased point of view.

Again, make no mistake, I'm in NO WAY agreeing that this thread was the best way to get advice in this situation, BUT with all of the positive feedback Ynot got from a thread NOT posted on Ynot, it should surely make him see that it actually wasn't Ynot's problem and not just Ynot members defending Ynot, which can be the case in any online community.

I'm the LAST person to believe that ALL publicity is good publicity, but this thread certainly isn't bad publicity for Ynot. That's what you get for running a straight up business over there. People not directly associated with Ynot defending you and making you look good. Oh, and Ynot people themselves have the ability to come and display how professional they can be, and have been.

GonZo · 11-21-2005, 01:09 PM

Guess that angle backfired on you? Figured youd "call them out" and embarass them?

Guess what happened...you just told the world that your business ethics are piss poor.

Pay the bill.
They did their job its not their fault you cant close a sale.

Anthony · 11-21-2005, 01:18 PM

This has got to be the nicest gangup on a thread I've ever seen. Kudos to Ynot! Really, very professional.

Gonzo, you got the GBU info I need to get Serge's Good, Bad, and Ugly site back online?

It's been awhile, and if you want, I'll give you my IP to add into your IP tables for download.

GonZo · 11-21-2005, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

This has got to be the nicest gangup on a thread I've ever seen. Kudos to Ynot! Really, very professional.

Gonzo, you got the GBU info I need to get Serge's Good, Bad, and Ugly site back online?

It's been awhile, and if you want, I'll give you my IP to add into your IP tables for download.

I emailed Technick all the code earlier this month. Youll have to ask them on what they are doing with it now.

Peace · 11-21-2005, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAJ

Well folks... I certainly appreciate all the kind words about YNOT here.

And Peace... I gotta tell ya, I'm pretty disappointed with you. Danielle and I have done nothing but bend over backwards for you. Sure it's your prerogative to post anything you want anywhere you want... but when you start a thread on another board entitled "Ynot.com ad problem No leads Advise needed" how could you possibly in your right mind not think that it isn't inviting "scandal" as you so put it?

Any time you've needed us via email or ICQ... we've been there for you. You had a lot of questions beforehand... we answered them as honestly and as promptly as possible. We critiqued your ads for you and gave you what we considered to be good direction before they went up. Couldn't pay your bill on time for the first month?... No problem... Ads not ready to go up on time?...No problem... Needed some help with pricing your first month?... No problem... and on it goes.

We've been VERY patient with you in my opinion... Twinkley will be posting your stats here shortly... stats that you have had full access to since day one. Stats that will show that when your first month is over, you will quite possibly be paying less than $1 / webmaster clickthru.

Anyway... pay your bill which is now nearly a month late and your ads can come down on the 1st.

Man I am very happy with you servise and Danielle as well...And again we are just discussing..Why you are dissapointed..My motivation is not to do nothing wrong..I am looking for the truth...So many people click and I still got nothing.

Also our deal was 1,5 month not removed by 1st And you wanted to send a mailer...and there is nothing to get upset I never said it was your fault but the reality is o sales o requests

Keep positive...I am customer and i am right..Like my customers are always right too

Cyndalie · 11-21-2005, 01:32 PM

Coming from a friendly competitor viewpoint, I have to say that oftentimes it's just as much the fault of the advertiser as the publisher for the success or failure (unfortunate in any case) of a campaign. Oftentimes the former is more frequently to blame. I have worked with YNOT representing our own clients on several occasions and they have always done an OUTSTANDING job to remain both flexible and stable, allowing advertisers to express their goals and needs while working to generate and route targeted traffic and by making themselves available and visible. "You get what you put into it" and since each program/product/service needs to be uniquely represented much of it comes down to marketing, planning your campaigns - not just throwing up a banner and expecting miracles. Some of the best campaign results happen when maximized - matching PR's and promotions, branded banners and name recognition, and a positive effort to make the most of the allowance that being an advertiser presents. Remember, they know their site best, just as you know what content is in your inventory.

I also have to back up their stats, they have 99% of the time been right on with what our own tracking reflects.

The best advice you can get on making the most of your advertising exposure with any publisher is through positive communication, adjusting banners and/or placement, or even by getting involved on their boards, radio shows, newsletters, and other means of exposure. It's not easy, and there is an element of trust you are dealing wtih when selling content to webmasters these days, so keep working on laying those bricks and learn from every experience. YNOT works hard to keep the business flowing and you're with some great people to start. I say pay the bill (First and foremost) and stay positive and keep your communications direct, and good things will happen.

Peace · 11-21-2005, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyndalie

Coming from a friendly competitor viewpoint, I have to say that oftentimes it's just as much the fault of the advertiser as the publisher for the success or failure (unfortunate in any case) of a campaign. Oftentimes the former is more frequently to blame. I have worked with YNOT representing our own clients on several occasions and they have always done an OUTSTANDING job to remain both flexible and stable, allowing advertisers to express their goals and needs while working to generate and route targeted traffic and by making themselves available and visible. "You get what you put into it" and since each program/product/service needs to be uniquely represented much of it comes down to marketing, planning your campaigns - not just throwing up a banner and expecting miracles. Some of the best campaign results happen when maximized - matching PR's and promotions, branded banners and name recognition, and a positive effort to make the most of the allowance that being an advertiser presents. Remember, they know their site best, just as you know what content is in your inventory.

I also have to back up their stats, they have 99% of the time been right on with what our own tracking reflects.

The best advice you can get on making the most of your advertising exposure with any publisher is through positive communication, adjusting banners and/or placement, or even by getting involved on their boards, radio shows, newsletters, and other means of exposure. It's not easy, and there is an element of trust you are dealing wtih when selling content to webmasters these days, so keep working on laying those bricks and learn from every experience. YNOT works hard to keep the business flowing and you're with some great people to start. I say pay the bill (First and foremost) and stay positive and keep your communications direct, and good things will happen.

Yes always blame yourself rule if you are smart and keep positive and change and make better..My campain is not over it should be till the 15th and I will may be do some posting on they board. And I never said Ynot is bad..I am just wondering why did not work for me and looks like I am getting good answers as well from you the most..I do apretiate the truth and willimprove...
I will pay the bill 100%...It is not the question to pay or not...Question is what can be done to try to get the result...Thanks for your time

Fish free content for you help go www.classyContent.con and grab a set

LAJ · 11-21-2005, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peace

Also our deal was 1,5 month not removed by 1st And you wanted to send a mailer...and there is nothing to get upset I never said it was your fault but the reality is o sales o requests

That's right... thanks for reminding me of the free extra 2 weeks and the free one time newsletter ad we are giving you to help you guys out... I'm still a bit hazy after attending the Webmaster Access show last week... my bad.

And HERE's the reality Peace...
750+ clicks in 3 weeks from us
0 sales (we sent the horse to water... it's up to you whether it drinks or not)
$0 paid to us

Peace · 11-21-2005, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAJ

That's right... thanks for reminding me of the free extra 2 weeks and the free one time newsletter ad we are giving you to help you guys out... I'm still a bit hazy after attending the Webmaster Access show last week... my bad.

And HERE's the reality Peace...
750+ clicks in 3 weeks from us
0 sales (we sent the horse to water... it's up to you whether it drinks or not)
$0 paid to us

Hei man check is going out today...And you are great guy and I do not say you did not do the job..As i said before I am looking for the truth...and this post does not do nothing bad to you either...May you call it unprofessional..but It is funky business nowdays and freedon of word right..I can say anything i want and all i said is what citaation I have and it is up to you to make me happy or not...When you get the check I will talk to you again...May be i did smth wrong I appology I am done with this tread and found out all i needed to improve...Thanks man...

TheLegacy · 11-21-2005, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAJ

0 sales (we sent the horse to water... it's up to you whether it drinks or not)
$0 paid to us

whats the ol' saying, "you can lead a horse to drink, but you cant make him water?"

Anthony · 11-21-2005, 02:38 PM

I am just flat out disgusted.

There is way to much fucking niceness in this thread.

THIS IS GFY PEOPLE, NOT YNOT!!!

Please begin with the public flogging.

Thank you.

11-21-2005, 05:48 AM	#1
Peace Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NY and Moscow Posts: 5,519	Ynot.com ad problem No leads Advise needed I placed add for www.classycontent.com on Ynot.com . 900$ ad Nice ad in the middle of the pages left side..and 3 weeks past and i got nothing not even a lead or nock in ICQ...I still did not pay the bill so i am confussed...Ussualy one customer with 2000$ order would break me even and i would be happy getting exposure..But here threres NOTHING... What would you do? __________________ Need Custom or Licensed Content? Visit PhotoVideoContent.com Email: [email protected] / Telegram: @romatibet / Skype: Peace888

11-21-2005, 05:51 AM	#3
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11-21-2005, 07:32 AM	#4
ChatCash_Rob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 749	You typically don't see much back with ads on wm boards these days, more about branding. You owe what you owe and don't forget they recurr unless you cancel ;) __________________ www.chatcash.com ...coming soon! icq # 131127104 rob{AT}chatcash

11-21-2005, 08:10 AM	#5
TheLegacy SEO Connoisseur Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario Posts: 17,111	Pay the bill.. sorry to hear about your ad not doing well, we have several spots on there and are doing well for over a year __________________ SEO Connoisseur Microsoft Teams: Robert Warren SEO Telegram: @TheLegacy54 RobertWarrenSEO.com

11-21-2005, 10:20 AM	#6
Peace Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NY and Moscow Posts: 5,519	I should pay the bill I think and it is up to them what they going to do...I get orders from other saurses of advertising and I know it is not about content...So they have may be not the right traffic for me...I will am sending the check to them. __________________ Need Custom or Licensed Content? Visit PhotoVideoContent.com Email: [email protected] / Telegram: @romatibet / Skype: Peace888

11-21-2005, 05:49 AM	#2
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	Pay the fucking bill.

11-21-2005, 11:11 AM	#9
twinkley Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Pueblo, CO Posts: 807	Good Morning Everyone! First let me start off saying that over at YNOT, we take pride in the fact that we will do everything in our power to make sure our advertisers are happy, and are getting good returns on their advertising. If you are unhappy or concerned with your advertising results, the first thing you should really do is CONTACT US. Not paying your bill ... well, thats just wrong, but im not going to go into that for now, as accounting will deal with that. If you would like, I will be happy to post a screenshot of your stats-to-date direct from our ad server. I'm sure that most here will agree that the job of advertising is to drive qualified traffic to your site and increase your brand. We have done this for you, at a VERY good price, and will be happy to show your returns from us here if you so wish. I want to thank the YNOT advertisers that posted their good results with us in this thread. We appreciate your loyalty and support guys, and hope to continue a mutually beneficial relationship for a LONG LONG TIME! And now back to your previously scheduled monday! twinkley YNOT Sales and Support

11-21-2005, 11:27 AM	#11
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11-21-2005, 11:55 AM	#12
TheSenator Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 13,336	Pay your bill... __________________ ISeekGirls.com since 2005

11-21-2005, 12:08 PM	#14
LAJ Gingerific Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Austin Posts: 5,567	Well folks... I certainly appreciate all the kind words about YNOT here. And Peace... I gotta tell ya, I'm pretty disappointed with you. Danielle and I have done nothing but bend over backwards for you. Sure it's your prerogative to post anything you want anywhere you want... but when you start a thread on another board entitled "Ynot.com ad problem No leads Advise needed" how could you possibly in your right mind not think that it isn't inviting "scandal" as you so put it? Any time you've needed us via email or ICQ... we've been there for you. You had a lot of questions beforehand... we answered them as honestly and as promptly as possible. We critiqued your ads for you and gave you what we considered to be good direction before they went up. Couldn't pay your bill on time for the first month?... No problem... Ads not ready to go up on time?...No problem... Needed some help with pricing your first month?... No problem... and on it goes. We've been VERY patient with you in my opinion... Twinkley will be posting your stats here shortly... stats that you have had full access to since day one. Stats that will show that when your first month is over, you will quite possibly be paying less than $1 / webmaster clickthru. Anyway... pay your bill which is now nearly a month late and your ads can come down on the 1st. __________________ YNOT.com - The original industry resource email jay at ynot dot com or skype LAJConsulting

11-21-2005, 12:22 PM	#15
Hammer Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 961	Who here thinks that you shouldn't have to pay for advertising if the ad doesn't produce results? Anyone besides Peace? __________________ Porn Site Pros - Custom Website Design, Turnkey Webcam and Pay Sites, SEO, and Consulting Last edited by Hammer; 11-21-2005 at 12:25 PM..

11-21-2005, 12:28 PM	#16
Hammer Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 961	By the way Peace, the word is spelled COMPLIANT with an A. Just thought I'd mention it in case you wanted to change the banner in your sig. It's amazing how many people won't do business with a company when they see a glaring typo like that. Kind of looks uprofessional if you get my meaning. __________________ Porn Site Pros - Custom Website Design, Turnkey Webcam and Pay Sites, SEO, and Consulting

11-21-2005, 12:40 PM	#18
twinkley Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Pueblo, CO Posts: 807	I'm baaaack (I know you all missed me!) Before I post these stats, I would like to say that as a rule, we do not publicly post the stats of ANY of our advertisers. These stats are for the use of YNOT in analyzing traffic trends and for the advertisers themselves to see how different campaigns affect their results. Since Peace has given us permission in this instance, below is a copy of his stats direct from our ad system from the day his campaign went up less than 20 days ago. At the current average clickthru rate, by the time his month is up he will have gotten somewhere around 1130 clicks for the month, putting this campaign WELL within the dollar per click amount. (this number is based on the current stats averaged per day times the amount of time he has left on his campaign). Alright, now I need to go do some work for all our other awesome advertisers! Happy Monday! twinkley

11-21-2005, 01:02 PM	#23
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	have you paid the bill yet?

11-21-2005, 01:09 PM	#25
GonZo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Atlanta,Ga. Posts: 3,180	Guess that angle backfired on you? Figured youd "call them out" and embarass them? Guess what happened...you just told the world that your business ethics are piss poor. Pay the bill. They did their job its not their fault you cant close a sale. __________________ Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card! "I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage." All the information above is my personal opinion.

11-21-2005, 01:18 PM	#26
Anthony Keyboard Warrior Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: One of the outer rings of Hell Posts: 9,653	This has got to be the nicest gangup on a thread I've ever seen. Kudos to Ynot! Really, very professional. Gonzo, you got the GBU info I need to get Serge's Good, Bad, and Ugly site back online? It's been awhile, and if you want, I'll give you my IP to add into your IP tables for download.

11-21-2005, 01:32 PM	#29
Cyndalie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 3,615	Coming from a friendly competitor viewpoint, I have to say that oftentimes it's just as much the fault of the advertiser as the publisher for the success or failure (unfortunate in any case) of a campaign. Oftentimes the former is more frequently to blame. I have worked with YNOT representing our own clients on several occasions and they have always done an OUTSTANDING job to remain both flexible and stable, allowing advertisers to express their goals and needs while working to generate and route targeted traffic and by making themselves available and visible. "You get what you put into it" and since each program/product/service needs to be uniquely represented much of it comes down to marketing, planning your campaigns - not just throwing up a banner and expecting miracles. Some of the best campaign results happen when maximized - matching PR's and promotions, branded banners and name recognition, and a positive effort to make the most of the allowance that being an advertiser presents. Remember, they know their site best, just as you know what content is in your inventory. I also have to back up their stats, they have 99% of the time been right on with what our own tracking reflects. The best advice you can get on making the most of your advertising exposure with any publisher is through positive communication, adjusting banners and/or placement, or even by getting involved on their boards, radio shows, newsletters, and other means of exposure. It's not easy, and there is an element of trust you are dealing wtih when selling content to webmasters these days, so keep working on laying those bricks and learn from every experience. YNOT works hard to keep the business flowing and you're with some great people to start. I say pay the bill (First and foremost) and stay positive and keep your communications direct, and good things will happen. __________________ Cyndalie Marketing Director StoriesTraffic.com

11-21-2005, 02:38 PM	#34
Anthony Keyboard Warrior Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: One of the outer rings of Hell Posts: 9,653	I am just flat out disgusted. There is way to much fucking niceness in this thread. THIS IS GFY PEOPLE, NOT YNOT!!! Please begin with the public flogging. Thank you.