French Riots caused by BAD ARCHITECTURE

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http://www.plastic.com/article.html;...8333472;cmt=82

Interesting point. There's been a recent move by US public housing agencies away from mass high rises like the old (and infamous) Cabrini-Green housing complex in Chicago to more 'open' architecture that allows for a 'greater sense of community.' It appears from statistics that mass high rise housing tends to breed crime, depression, and dependency.

Do you think ARCHITECTURE influences group psychology?

[BradM]

Of course it does, over long periods of time. The "confinement" feeling causes the need to break out.
I do believe this has a profound effect on people.

[Gunni]

yes, there is nothing more depressing then driving through areas where all the buildings are like that, all I can think of is how I am glad I don't live in an area like that.
I can imagine the people that live there are thinking how much it sucks to live there...

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Originally Posted by Gunni

yes, there is nothing more depressing then driving through areas where all the buildings are like that, all I can think of is how I am glad I don't live in an area like that.
I can imagine the people that live there are thinking how much it sucks to live there...

I tend to agree with you and BradM... there's nothing like having SOME greenery and SOME Open space. No wonder the FRONT LAWN is such an obligatory element in modern American home architecture.

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Is this further evidence that Modernist architecture along with Modernist economic ideas like Socialism... DO NOT WORK?

[Scott McD]

Hmmm, i can see the point, but i still don't believe it's a valid excuse...

[adultchica]

I agree with you on this 5$. I used to live in an apartment complex. It wasn't the best...I was in college at the time. You know how that goes sometimes. Anyway, after 3 years of living there I just couldn't take it anymore. I missed having a yard and the freedom to walk around without hundreds of people living in the apt complex being around. I have NEVEr lived in an apartment since. It really did create a sense of being "cooped up" and "surrounded" without anywhere to go sort of. And I think alot of those people don't have cars to get away. I could imagine it's a mindfuck.

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Originally Posted by Scott McD

Hmmm, i can see the point, but i still don't believe it's a valid excuse...

It shouldn't excuse it at all. It's one thing for something to explain behavior. It's another to exculpate it. There's definitely other (more constructive) ways to express their frustrations and address their concerns.

[chshkt]

that's true
our areas here on the end of the city are with so shitty architecture, they are all the same huge shitty blocks, so depressing when i have been there few times... and they are WAY more criminal...

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Originally Posted by chshkt

that's true
our areas here on the end of the city are with so shitty architecture, they are all the same huge shitty blocks, so depressing when i have been there few times... and they are WAY more criminal...

Nice night photo. Which city is this?

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Here's the money quote from the article link I posted:

It's not just that the uniform 17-story concrete towers of these satellite cites are hopeless and powerfully dehumanizing. It's that the projects are separated from the rest of France, physically segregated, which makes personal assimilation impossible, and fosters a kind of self-contained anti-society. Along with cultural tensions and religious differences, you have to wonder how much France is suffering from the effects of visionary modernist planning.

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

http://www.plastic.com/article.html;...8333472;cmt=82

Interesting point. There's been a recent move by US public housing agencies away from mass high rises like the old (and infamous) Cabrini-Green housing complex in Chicago to more 'open' architecture that allows for a 'greater sense of community.' It appears from statistics that mass high rise housing tends to breed crime, depression, and dependency.

Do you think ARCHITECTURE influences group psychology?

You mean like New Orleans ( before the flood ofcourse ).
That has the look of prosperity.

[Fred Quimby]

There is a diff

People in NY would gladly pay $1 mill for a shoebox condo in a high rise, if they could even find one.

[chshkt]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Nice night photo. Which city is this?

yes the photo is nice ;) full moon
this is end area named Lulin in Sofia, Bulgaria

[Odin]

Alot of things contributed no doubt, but overall it was an incredibly stupid move by many European countries to let their mostly homogeneous homelands become home to huge populations of people so different to them in such a short period time particularly. Of course this is the one thing you won't really hear the media question as being at least a large part of the cause though. It is beyond me how any peabrain could come to the conclusion that France, Sweden, etc would actually be better places with huge populations of muslims, etc. Japan is watching on and taking notes, you will see they won't make the same mistake of building their economy on cheap immigrant labor that is there to stay. History has shown that it always comes back to bite you in the ass.

[Screaming]

Now come on lol.

[Fletch XXX]

"Farrakhan is a prophet and i think you outta listen to, what he can say to you." - public enemy

most pro-black rap is separatist, Farrakhan teaches separatism, maybe he is right?

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Originally Posted by Screaming

Now come on lol.

It is probably ONE factor--albeit an intriguing one. The rest of the factors are outlined in the 'money quote' above.

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Originally Posted by Chief

Alot of things contributed no doubt, but overall it was an incredibly stupid move by many European countries to let their mostly homogeneous homelands become home to huge populations of people so different to them in such a short period time particularly. Of course this is the one thing you won't really hear the media question as being at least a large part of the cause though. It is beyond me how any peabrain could come to the conclusion that France, Sweden, etc would actually be better places with huge populations of muslims, etc. Japan is watching on and taking notes, you will see they won't make the same mistake of building their economy on cheap immigrant labor that is there to stay. History has shown that it always comes back to bite you in the ass.

You raise some good points. There's definitely an issue re the 'fit' between host and migrant cultures. Notwithstanding, doesn't the ever decreasing trends in most developed countries' populations necessitate a pro-immigration policy?

[Odin]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

You raise some good points. There's definitely an issue re the 'fit' between host and migrant cultures. Notwithstanding, doesn't the ever decreasing trends in most developed countries' populations necessitate a pro-immigration policy?

Not at all. Is there an issue about needing young workers? Sure there is. But have Governments faced equally difficult problems and overcome them? Absolutely. Immigration is just an easy way to flood the market with cheap workers, because Governments aren't interested in actually working on lasting solutions to encourage birthrates, etc. In any event a Guest worker program are a much more fitting solution. In such cases people can fill the jobs that need filling, and than leave at the end of their time, and you don't have this ridiculous situation whereby muslims will be the majority in Hollands three major cities within the next 10 or so years. Responsible solutions can be reached, but ultimately I think Governments are afraid to touch immigration and multiculturalism. It is a sacred cow...