I'm gunna start an 80% REVSHARE PROGRAM! WOW! - GoFuckYourself.com

Donnie Gangsta · 03-19-2002, 04:45 AM

I have this really great idea that I got from TOPBUCKS.COM . I will start an 80% revshare program. I'm still working out the figures in my head, and I was wondering if anyone could offer input.

Ok, I will start with 100% of the revenue.

100%
- 15% (processing fee)
-------
85%
- 10% (content and bandwidth)
- 10% (staff)
- 05% (miscellaneous overhead)
-------
60%
-80% (what i will pay webmasters)
------
(-20%) NET PROFIT

Wow.. these numbers are great. At this rate I will be as rich as topbucks really soon!

I wonder how they can afford to throw those lavish parties... they couldn't possibly shave. No respectable webmaster program in the adult industry shaves! Everyone knows that.

I hope my naive vision of integrity and honor isn't tarnished by my guileless aspirations to emulate the trend setters <sob>.

I'm fully aware that on this board exists a plethora of creativity and insightfulness.. so by all means offer your insights into this balance sheet mystery

CumSensei · 03-19-2002, 04:50 AM

Yepp would be nice to hear about how this works.

ServerGenius · 03-19-2002, 04:54 AM

Processing fee of 15% huh? you can save up to 11% by getting a merchant account yourself and do massive volume on transactions. even on low numbers 6% shouldn't be too hard.

Still making loss...I agree but not 20% anymore

DynaMite

ldinternet · 03-19-2002, 04:56 AM

hahahaha, i'm laughing with you

but...

how? popup hell on enter and exit, upsells, email boxes, etc.

Donnie Gangsta · 03-19-2002, 04:56 AM

Topbucks uses Epoch, which probably charges them around 12%. The numbers still don't add up. This was my point. If anyone wants to shed some light, please do so.

mika · 03-19-2002, 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
This was my point.

What is your point?
Everyone shaves and we know that already.
Thanks for nothing

4Pics · 03-19-2002, 05:10 AM

you dont do your math right.

100% of $44.95

$44.95 x 12% = $5.34 for processing

$44.95 - $5.34 = $39.61

$39.61 x 80% = $31.68

Webmaster gets $31.68

They get $7.93 per member

Plus they can upsell the user to another site of theirs or sponsor, since they honestly don't have a big incentive to keep the member around but they do know the person has a credit card and buys memberships.

My numbers may not be 100% but they are pretty close.

I'm not saying they shave, but if they do then there is extra profit.

SykkBoy · 03-19-2002, 05:11 AM

consoles, email boxes, upsells within the member's areas, oh yeah, and most likely (and a pointer to you ambitious types who are eager to spread your newbie seeds into the relam of paysite ownership) their own generated traffic....not sure about topbucks, but the 80% may only be on cc signups and not dialers and check signups

shaving on a % program? hahahahahahahahaahahaahahaha, you guys crack me up sometimes, really you do...

Chris P · 03-19-2002, 05:13 AM

OH MAN! I get 2 signups for every click I send. then they pay me $40 per FREE trial - On the $75 bonus day - I made $5k - with only 100 clicks - And at internext - they even came to my hotel to wipe my ass whenever i took a shit!

Look! - Here is a picture showing 600 clicks and 1200 signups - And look at this wire transfer i got from them! No fake really - i'm just a newbie that doesn't know how full page ads work. But look! - They paid me $540,000 last week! - NO SHIT!!!! - - - -

bhutocracy · 03-19-2002, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 4Pics
you dont do your math right.

100% of $44.95

$44.95 x 12% = $5.34 for processing

$44.95 - $5.34 = $39.61

$39.61 x 80% = $31.68

Webmaster gets $31.68

They get $7.93 per member

Plus they can upsell the user to another site of theirs or sponsor, since they honestly don't have a big incentive to keep the member around but they do know the person has a credit card and buys memberships.

My numbers may not be 100% but they are pretty close.

I'm not saying they shave, but if they do then there is extra profit.

you left out content, bandwidth, staff and incidentals.

Jakke PNG · 03-19-2002, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bhutocracy

you left out content, bandwidth, staff and incidentals.

They pay it off with the $7.93

bhutocracy · 03-19-2002, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

They pay it off with the $7.93

heh which puts them back in the negative percentages.. and means that if you're going to correct someone's math you'd want to make sure you read their post thoroughly.

but as mentioned.. consoles and upsell.. it's amazing it's come to this..

Donnie Gangsta · 03-19-2002, 05:56 AM

Hm.. consoles and upsells.

Say I convert 1:300 with them.. they lose $8 off me (going on previous #'s), and their consoles convert 1:1000.. They get 1 exit sign up for every 3 I send them (Keeping it simple -- assuming member stays active one month, subtracting processing fee and aforementioned figures [12% processing, 10% bandwidth/content, 10% staff]), they make $27.20 per exit sign up, but lose $24 off me (3 sign ups to me per one exit sign up they receive). So they're making $3.20 profit after all that? I'm still perplexed how they can throw those suite parties.

If these #'s are confusing, I will write it in an easier to understand format:

80% revshare program exit consoles:

- (minus) $8 per webmaster sign up

+ (plus) $40 for every 3 webmaster sign ups (Webmaster converts 1:300, exits convert 1:1000)

- 12% processing, 10% staff, 10% bandwidth = $27.20 per exit.

3 webmaster sign ups = $24

$27.20 (exit revenue) - $24 = $3.20 net profit

(These are very basic #'s and of course it would depend on whether they were sending their traffic to another sponsor, who in turn shaves them, etc).. And it's noteworthy to mention that assuming exits convert 1:1000 is a bit idealistic.

playa · 03-19-2002, 07:37 AM

your perspective is from one webmaster,,,, you have to look at the big picture,,,,

i'll assume that they'll get
100,000 hits to all there sites
convert 1 out 500 (4.95 trial)= 200 sign ups= $990.00
webmaster payouts 200X35= $7,000

money of consoles estimate 40,000 clicks to other sponsers from consoles
convert 1 out 500(35 per sign up)=$1,142

and lets not forget the current memberships,,, but my estimate is they have 50k of members,,, and at $44 a bucks a pop,, with average membership lasting 2 months,, well then thats pretty good numbers

Quoth the Raven · 03-19-2002, 11:01 AM

How do they turn a profit? Simple. They're playing the volume game.

FATPad · 03-19-2002, 11:12 AM

Well they're obviously doing it, so they must have figured out how.

I'd imagine they're doing quite a bit of upselling in the site and popping consoles that you don't get paid on.

I could be wrong, though, I haven't checked out their program so if I'm wrong....ehhh...who cares?

4Pics · 03-19-2002, 01:35 PM

I think it's the upsells and consoles that make it profitable.

It all relates back to your visitor sent to $ you get ratio.

You test different programs and ideas and whichever earns you the most you go with. Some it will be with per signup others recurring etc.

Duhhh · 03-19-2002, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Quoth the Raven
How do they turn a profit? Simple. They're playing the volume game.

That is CORRECT folks

ServerGenius · 03-19-2002, 01:45 PM

Donny what's the URL of your site? I'm inspired by your wisdom I think a lot of us can learn from you. Show us your site since I noticed in your intro that you would like to share experiences
and stuff.

Well? I'm kinda curious what a smart man like you runs for a site?

DynaMite

qube70 · 03-19-2002, 04:00 PM

The short answer is that 4pics, fatpad and quoth the raven are all correct; the answer is upsells and volume. It's not a matter of shaving at all - there's more than enough money to be made playing it straight. It's simply a matter of paying for traffic/members once, and then finding multiple opportunites to sell to them.

Some webmasters might find it unfair when their sponsors have upsells that they (the webmaster, that is) aren't making money from, but that's how programs like TopBucks, Platinum Bucks, SilverCash, etc. can afford to pay $40+ per signup, 60%+ recurring and $50+ per active member.

Make sense?

s9ann0 · 03-19-2002, 05:11 PM

just what the world needs another partner program

Mike D · 03-19-2002, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bhutocracy

you left out content, bandwidth, staff and incidentals.

Didnt you hear,content is free,lol

Mike...

Sexy Jules · 03-19-2002, 05:25 PM

I can't get my traffic to buy more than the trial with topbucks.
It's the only sponsor I have this lack of sales other than trial with.

Ummm

hehehe

=============================

salsasluts.com
sexyjules.com

Platinum Dave · 03-19-2002, 06:39 PM

Platinum Bucks will be launching 80% Partnership program tomorrow.

We are going a step further, all Partnership webmaster can set their exit consoles to exit wherever you choose.

one step ahead

Tanker · 03-19-2002, 09:48 PM

You forgot to add hold back into the equasion to isnt it around 6% hold back for 6 months

anyway you forget that they keep all recurring as well you never get any of that on a per signup deal that when the numbers game can get fun

so if they have a 50% retention rate

off of 200 signups they payout 40 dollars a piece = $8000
they take in on the sale of 39.95 X 200 =$7990
take out the 10% processing Fee -$799 = $7191 (10% because the more you process the better deal you get )

so they are down roughly 809

figure the average surfer thats a member cost lets say $4

so 200 surfers X $4 thats $800 so now they are at $6391
and down $1500

Who knows how often they update and how much we will pass that for a sec

with 50% retention next month they are going to gain $3596 after fees that the affiliate will never get this will offset the 1500 down

do this in much bigger numbers and it makes sense for a program to pay out per signup

we havnt even added in the upsales and exits sales

Ill stick with partnership its a WIN WIN situation

Tanker · 03-19-2002, 09:49 PM

WHAT DID I JUST SAY ?

Back to the boose

bhutocracy · 03-19-2002, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spanno
just what the world needs another partner program

whats wrong with that? some people like 'em, sponsors get overused, fresh programs fill a need.. heheh i doubt you'll hear anyone other than rival proggies complain about webmasters getting higher percentages..

bhutocracy · 03-19-2002, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike
Didnt you hear,content is free,lol

Mike...

heheh.. *sigh* i wish.... well actually some content is.. i mean as long as you don't count the hour value you put on your time going to mardi gras or a nude beach or whatever... providing you've got the time in the first place and couldn't be assed to pay someone to do it..

03-19-2002, 04:45 AM	#1
Donnie Gangsta Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,104	Topbucks.com .. giving Gilette shaving tips I have this really great idea that I got from TOPBUCKS.COM . I will start an 80% revshare program. I'm still working out the figures in my head, and I was wondering if anyone could offer input. Ok, I will start with 100% of the revenue. 100% - 15% (processing fee) ------- 85% - 10% (content and bandwidth) - 10% (staff) - 05% (miscellaneous overhead) ------- 60% -80% (what i will pay webmasters) ------ (-20%) NET PROFIT Wow.. these numbers are great. At this rate I will be as rich as topbucks really soon! I wonder how they can afford to throw those lavish parties... they couldn't possibly shave. No respectable webmaster program in the adult industry shaves! Everyone knows that. I hope my naive vision of integrity and honor isn't tarnished by my guileless aspirations to emulate the trend setters <sob>. I'm fully aware that on this board exists a plethora of creativity and insightfulness.. so by all means offer your insights into this balance sheet mystery Last edited by Donnie Gangsta; 03-19-2002 at 05:09 AM..

03-19-2002, 04:50 AM	#2
CumSensei Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sweden Posts: 3,986	Yepp would be nice to hear about how this works. __________________ CumSensei say: SEO traffic makes big boom boom.

03-19-2002, 04:54 AM	#3
ServerGenius Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 9,377	Processing fee of 15% huh? you can save up to 11% by getting a merchant account yourself and do massive volume on transactions. even on low numbers 6% shouldn't be too hard. Still making loss...I agree but not 20% anymore DynaMite __________________ \| http://www.sinnerscash.com/ \| ICQ: 370820 \| Skype: SinnersCash \| AdultWhosWho \|

03-19-2002, 05:11 AM	#8
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	consoles, email boxes, upsells within the member's areas, oh yeah, and most likely (and a pointer to you ambitious types who are eager to spread your newbie seeds into the relam of paysite ownership) their own generated traffic....not sure about topbucks, but the 80% may only be on cc signups and not dialers and check signups shaving on a % program? hahahahahahahahaahahaahahaha, you guys crack me up sometimes, really you do... __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

03-19-2002, 05:13 AM	#9
Chris P Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1	OH MAN! I get 2 signups for every click I send. then they pay me $40 per FREE trial - On the $75 bonus day - I made $5k - with only 100 clicks - And at internext - they even came to my hotel to wipe my ass whenever i took a shit! Look! - Here is a picture showing 600 clicks and 1200 signups - And look at this wire transfer i got from them! No fake really - i'm just a newbie that doesn't know how full page ads work. But look! - They paid me $540,000 last week! - NO SHIT!!!! - - - - __________________ SIGNUP FOR TOPBUCKS TODAY! FREE BLOWJOBS AND ONLY 72% SHAVE! Last edited by Chris P; 03-19-2002 at 05:14 AM..

03-19-2002, 04:56 AM	#4
ldinternet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 8,245	hahahaha, i'm laughing with you but... how? popup hell on enter and exit, upsells, email boxes, etc.

03-19-2002, 05:10 AM	#7
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	you dont do your math right. 100% of $44.95 $44.95 x 12% = $5.34 for processing $44.95 - $5.34 = $39.61 $39.61 x 80% = $31.68 Webmaster gets $31.68 They get $7.93 per member Plus they can upsell the user to another site of theirs or sponsor, since they honestly don't have a big incentive to keep the member around but they do know the person has a credit card and buys memberships. My numbers may not be 100% but they are pretty close. I'm not saying they shave, but if they do then there is extra profit.

03-19-2002, 05:56 AM	#13
Donnie Gangsta Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,104	Hm.. consoles and upsells. Say I convert 1:300 with them.. they lose $8 off me (going on previous #'s), and their consoles convert 1:1000.. They get 1 exit sign up for every 3 I send them (Keeping it simple -- assuming member stays active one month, subtracting processing fee and aforementioned figures [12% processing, 10% bandwidth/content, 10% staff]), they make $27.20 per exit sign up, but lose $24 off me (3 sign ups to me per one exit sign up they receive). So they're making $3.20 profit after all that? I'm still perplexed how they can throw those suite parties. If these #'s are confusing, I will write it in an easier to understand format: 80% revshare program exit consoles: - (minus) $8 per webmaster sign up + (plus) $40 for every 3 webmaster sign ups (Webmaster converts 1:300, exits convert 1:1000) - 12% processing, 10% staff, 10% bandwidth = $27.20 per exit. 3 webmaster sign ups = $24 $27.20 (exit revenue) - $24 = $3.20 net profit (These are very basic #'s and of course it would depend on whether they were sending their traffic to another sponsor, who in turn shaves them, etc).. And it's noteworthy to mention that assuming exits convert 1:1000 is a bit idealistic.

03-19-2002, 07:37 AM	#14
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	your perspective is from one webmaster,,,, you have to look at the big picture,,,, i'll assume that they'll get 100,000 hits to all there sites convert 1 out 500 (4.95 trial)= 200 sign ups= $990.00 webmaster payouts 200X35= $7,000 money of consoles estimate 40,000 clicks to other sponsers from consoles convert 1 out 500(35 per sign up)=$1,142 and lets not forget the current memberships,,, but my estimate is they have 50k of members,,, and at $44 a bucks a pop,, with average membership lasting 2 months,, well then thats pretty good numbers

03-19-2002, 11:01 AM	#15
Quoth the Raven Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: The State of Mind Posts: 617	How do they turn a profit? Simple. They're playing the volume game. __________________ Quoth the Raven, nevermore.

03-19-2002, 11:12 AM	#16
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	Well they're obviously doing it, so they must have figured out how. I'd imagine they're doing quite a bit of upselling in the site and popping consoles that you don't get paid on. I could be wrong, though, I haven't checked out their program so if I'm wrong....ehhh...who cares?

03-19-2002, 01:35 PM	#17
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	I think it's the upsells and consoles that make it profitable. It all relates back to your visitor sent to $ you get ratio. You test different programs and ideas and whichever earns you the most you go with. Some it will be with per signup others recurring etc.

03-19-2002, 01:45 PM	#19
ServerGenius Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 9,377	Donny what's the URL of your site? I'm inspired by your wisdom I think a lot of us can learn from you. Show us your site since I noticed in your intro that you would like to share experiences and stuff. Well? I'm kinda curious what a smart man like you runs for a site? DynaMite __________________ \| http://www.sinnerscash.com/ \| ICQ: 370820 \| Skype: SinnersCash \| AdultWhosWho \| Last edited by ServerGenius; 03-19-2002 at 01:46 PM..

03-19-2002, 04:00 PM	#20
qube70 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5	The short answer is that 4pics, fatpad and quoth the raven are all correct; the answer is upsells and volume. It's not a matter of shaving at all - there's more than enough money to be made playing it straight. It's simply a matter of paying for traffic/members once, and then finding multiple opportunites to sell to them. Some webmasters might find it unfair when their sponsors have upsells that they (the webmaster, that is) aren't making money from, but that's how programs like TopBucks, Platinum Bucks, SilverCash, etc. can afford to pay $40+ per signup, 60%+ recurring and $50+ per active member. Make sense? __________________ <a href="http://www.topcash.com/">TopCash</a> paying by the click for exit, 404, and blind link traffic

03-19-2002, 05:11 PM	#21
s9ann0 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Boston Posts: 4,873	just what the world needs another partner program

03-19-2002, 05:25 PM	#23
Sexy Jules Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: California Posts: 12	I can't get my traffic to buy more than the trial with topbucks. It's the only sponsor I have this lack of sales other than trial with. Ummm hehehe ============================= salsasluts.com sexyjules.com

03-19-2002, 06:39 PM	#24
Platinum Dave Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,441	Platinum Bucks will be launching 80% Partnership program tomorrow. We are going a step further, all Partnership webmaster can set their exit consoles to exit wherever you choose. one step ahead __________________ Check out Adult Rental - Only Pay Per Signup VOD! Last edited by Platinum Dave; 03-19-2002 at 07:21 PM..

03-19-2002, 09:48 PM	#25
Tanker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 9,287	You forgot to add hold back into the equasion to isnt it around 6% hold back for 6 months anyway you forget that they keep all recurring as well you never get any of that on a per signup deal that when the numbers game can get fun so if they have a 50% retention rate off of 200 signups they payout 40 dollars a piece = $8000 they take in on the sale of 39.95 X 200 =$7990 take out the 10% processing Fee -$799 = $7191 (10% because the more you process the better deal you get ) so they are down roughly 809 figure the average surfer thats a member cost lets say $4 so 200 surfers X $4 thats $800 so now they are at $6391 and down $1500 Who knows how often they update and how much we will pass that for a sec with 50% retention next month they are going to gain $3596 after fees that the affiliate will never get this will offset the 1500 down do this in much bigger numbers and it makes sense for a program to pay out per signup we havnt even added in the upsales and exits sales Ill stick with partnership its a WIN WIN situation __________________ Tanker ICQ 3427575 CCBTools Now featured in the CCBill.com APP STORE

03-19-2002, 09:49 PM	#26
Tanker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 9,287	WHAT DID I JUST SAY ? Back to the boose __________________ Tanker ICQ 3427575 CCBTools Now featured in the CCBill.com APP STORE