Are The UN & EU Planning Internet Control?

[Greg B]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/2005111...succeed103_xml

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/15/D8DSUESO0.html

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/15/D8DT06S8N.html

These three stories I got from drudgereport.com

What's scary is the UN and EU are actually thinking this shit will work out. If the UN and EU had the capability of governance over the internet then they would have IN-FUCKING-VENTED the internet. But they DIDN'T, did they?

NOooOOOOoo

The UN and EU are too busy looking for little third world kids to exploit instead of looking to free people. It's always us Americans that have to go and free their dumb drunk asses whenever they fuck something up.

Now they want to fuck up the internet so they can spy on you and feed your surfing info back to the U.S. legally. That's teh least of the problems. If the EU and UN get governance you will see a global economic collapse the like of which imagination itself couldn't comprehend.

But maybe that's what they want. To bankrupt people on a global scale so they can scap up the goods.

[mortenb]

1. Think before you speak.. That stupid rant says more about you than anything else..

2. I'm guessing that what you consider to be the internet is the actual World Wide Web - which happens to be an invention of Tim Berners-Lee, an allround nice guy who was born in London, England, 8 June 1955.

3.

To bankrupt people on a global scale so they can scap up the goods.

Maybe you should take a look at the economy of the US. Back in WW2 you made a ton of money selling arms and whatnot - basically profiting on the bad fortune of others.. Yes, you eventually sent soldiers to help, and have done so since, but only when it was in the interest of the US.

4. Was there a point to your thread or did you just want to create drama off of week old news?

[davidd]

Originally Posted by mortenb

2. I'm guessing that what you consider to be the internet is the actual World Wide Web - which happens to be an invention of Tim Berners-Lee, an allround nice guy who was born in London, England, 8 June 1955.

He is talking about what the www runs on top of, the internet, created by DARPA (THE USA). The UN wants control of the Naming Systems, The Backbone, The Architecture. You already know this, but were looking to obfuscate the facts.

Originally Posted by mortenb

3. Maybe you should take a look at the economy of the US. Back in WW2 you made a ton of money selling arms and whatnot - basically profiting on the bad fortune of others.. Yes, you eventually sent soldiers to help, and have done so since, but only when it was in the interest of the US.

Obfuscation and Deflecting, this is a pattern in your posts. Let's ignore who started your 'little war'.

Originally Posted by mortenb

4. Was there a point to your thread or did you just want to create drama off of week old news?

I believe his point was, "The UN is trying to jack control of the internet". If the UN were to ever get control, which will not happen, it would be the worst thing that could happen. Right from the start I can only assume this would be their backdoor opportunity to impose their long sought after worldwide taxation.

All of this is a pointless conversation, as it will NEVER happen. I chuckle everytime I see them talk about it, as they have no power, but to beg. Even most of Europe knows, that things have run without issues with the USA controlling it, and to put it in the hands of the UN would be the most counterproductive decision ever made, except for maybe creating the UN in the first place.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

The United Nations is fucked.

[mortenb]

I would so like to argue about this with you for hours, but my english is not good enough for that..
One thing though.. How can it be a bad thing to share control over something we all use to a joint advantage every day? You talk of a world wide taxation.. There is a bit more to the world than the internet..

And another thing.. I fail to see how my answering Greg's statement that Europeans exploit children or his calling Europeans dumb drunk fuckups is obfuscation or deflecting.. He basically ended his post be calling us leeches.. So I gave back.. If you have a problem with that then you are as narrowminded as he is and can go fuck yourself..!

[davidd]

Imagine if you will, the UN got control of the internet, how long before this comment was put out by Kofi Annan:

"The world has concluded that the USA uses too many IP addresses. We are limiting the USA to one Class B, and levying a 99% tax on their Internet Traffic. By limiting the USA's IP space, we will 'level' the playing field for the developing world."

[mortenb]

Sure.. That's a very likely scenario..

The proposal says "a separate U.N. agency" - And I don't think even Kofi Annan is that thick even if he did get the power to do so, although he is pretty fucked up..

[davidd]

Originally Posted by mortenb

I would so like to argue about this with you for hours, but my english is not good enough for that..
One thing though.. How can it be a bad thing to share control over something we all use to a joint advantage every day? You talk of a world wide taxation.. There is a bit more to the world than the internet..

And another thing.. I fail to see how my answering Greg's statement that Europeans exploit children or his calling Europeans dumb drunk fuckups is obfuscation or deflecting.. He basically ended his post be calling us leeches.. So I gave back.. If you have a problem with that then you are as narrowminded as he is and can go fuck yourself..!

I am not calling Europeans morons, as in reading all the articles, the EU is trying to mediate this as they too are scared shitless about the thought of the 3rd world having a role in the deployment and maintenance of the Internet. I have lived in Europe, and like most Americans, I am of European descent. BUT I am a capitalist, FIRST. The control of the internet should be in the hands of its creator, the tax payers of the USA. OUR TAX DOLLARS funded DARPA, OUR TAX DOLLARS STILL FUND ICANN. OUR elected officials do not want to release control, as the people of this country do not want to release control.

The internet has allowed me, and many people around the world to make millions of dollars. Trillions combine. To see it handed to a bunch of one worlders, and ANTI-capitalists would be a nightmare. Everything runs REAL smooth right now and has run smoothly. Keeping the bandwidth in the hands of private industry (AT&T, UUnet, Level3, C&W, etc) has done well. Keeping the IP allocations, and control of the root servers in the hands of ONE entity has done well. To potentially FRAGMENT the existing system and introduce the potential of sabotage is moronic.

This entire situation is about pulling 'control' away from the USA's 'perceived' empire. The one thing the USA has let run, without taxation, and interference has been the Internet, why fuck it up now?

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Well I just do not think the UN has been conducting itself properly in the world for the past 8-10 years.

And what I mean is simple.

They were to nervous about Iraq. The United Nations benefited from DS1, they backed down when Saddam was hassling the UNSCOM inspections.

Years of United Nations inability to take action in Kosovo, Asia, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, North/South Korea and China's Taiwan.
All those fronts the United Nations bungled and let terroristic idealogy spread while taking financial kick backs to "Keep the peace".

One country the United States is the country the United Nations call's to take action on all those regions.
The United States foots the bill for Kosovo, Diplomatic efforts in Asia, Action in Pakistan, Afghanistan and finally Iraq. The United Nations sat idly by as the Taliban swept Afghanistan, let them train terrorists, let the Taliban harbor international criminals and eventually guess what happens.

The United States get a couple planes flown into the World Trade Center.
The United Nations is broken as those Nations bad mouth the United States for taking action when it was them the United Nations should have had the interests in spreading Individual liberties to people of the world.

Did the United Nations just forget that letting Wicked Dictator's that kill there own people and oppress them is not a matter of financial gain but doing something right for the whole of all?

People might bag on the United States and its "Freedom" machine but I will tell ya one thing. The United States is still a country that believes in the freedom and liberty and justice for all. We Americans will die to make things right for the oppressed while the United Nations has no problem keeping Dictatorships in power that oppress thier people.
History has proven it time and time again.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

PS: Having the UN run Internet Governance would be a complete joke that would permit censorship of idea's, isolate those seeking knowledge.

Primary example of the first joke is Internet Taxation. Please, in the United States some Senators are running around with Taxation idea's but they are laughed out of the house. In the United Nations it would throw us back into the stone age.

[mortenb]

Thanks AlienQ
I think I understand what Deflecting means now.

Quick history check.. Why is the middle-east region so Anti-USA?

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by mortenb

1. Think before you speak.. That stupid rant says more about you than anything else..

Eat shit and die twice you ...wait, you're in Denmark?

Okay, how about: Eat shit and die twice and do dope and fuck third world strangers in public and die twice.

There, that about says it unless you want me to have an epileptic chimpanzee at the local zoo translate that into sign language for you.

[mortenb]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Eat shit and die twice you ...wait, you're in Denmark?

Okay, how about: Eat shit and die twice and do dope and fuck third world strangers in public and die twice.

There, that about says it unless you want me to have an epileptic chimpanzee at the local zoo translate that into sign language for you.

Think before you speak.. That stupid rant says more about you than anything else..

[davidd]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

People might bag on the United States and its "Freedom" machine but I will tell ya one thing. The United States is still a country that believes in the freedom and liberty and justice for all.

Unless you disagree with us, then we will kill you and your freedoms ;)

Or if you do/sell drugs, then we will lock you away in prison for most of your life.

Or we will censor your speech so your thoughts are more in line with certain Utopian views.

[davidd]

Originally Posted by mortenb

Thanks AlienQ
I think I understand what Deflecting means now.

Quick history check.. Why is the middle-east region so Anti-USA?

#1. We blindly side with Israel on all issues, completely ignoring the valid disputes of the Arab nations in the region.

#2. Occaisionally secretly fund coups to put in more 'friendly' governments that all eventually repress the people to the point where they want to blow themselves up (see #1, and Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, etc)

I never said we had a good foreign policy ;)

[mortenb]

lol davidd

I think I like you after all..

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by mortenb

Thanks AlienQ
I think I understand what Deflecting means now.

Quick history check.. Why is the middle-east region so Anti-USA?

Simple. United Nations let religious radical's flourish and oppress.

Isreal is not just a US problem. It was also supposed to be a United Nations problem. The United Nations just sat around and did nothing.

Look now as the US has taken action.

It may not have been pretty, it may not have been the best thing but at the end of the day it is a sweep and clear of those that have oppression in mind.

Saddam wasnt oppressive?
Palistine leadership enabled funded and allowed terroristic entities to kill innocent people? Why did Isreal take land during the 6 day war? Remember that? Because of Terrorism and it's infiltration spilling into Isreal.

Who stopped checks being drawn to suicide bombers? The United Nations or the US? What about Syria and Libya, Iran sending weapons and funding Palestinian terrorist organizations? Who stopped that?
The UN or United States?

What countries pushed for the Isrealites to be obliterated into the Sea?
Who's vision was that? Surely the the United States didnt like the idea, The United States didnt pander those countries to incite terrorism for that vision to become a reality resulting in alot of bloodshed.


Look now as the United Nations struggles with Iran and allows them to begin enrichment of Uranium. Look how the United Nations let the Soviets build the Power plants that enable them to do this.

Iran has funded terrorist organizations for hundreds of years, we all know this.

Why does the United Nations negotiate with terrorists?
Look what the United Nations did about Frances recent problem of the riots?
NOTHING.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

So it can be said that the United Nations is 100% incompetant.

[davidd]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Simple. United Nations let religious radical's flourish and oppress.

Isreal is not just a US problem. It was also supposed to be a United Nations problem. The United Nations just sat around and did nothing.

Look now as the US has taken action.

It may not have been pretty, it may not have been the best thing but at the end of the day it is a sweep and clear of those that have oppression in mind.

Saddam wasnt oppressive?
Palistine leadership enabled funded and allowed terroristic entities to kill innocent people? Why did Isreal take land during the 6 day war? Remember that? Because of Terrorism and it's infiltration spilling into Isreal.

Who stopped checks being drawn to suicide bombers? The United Nations or the US? What about Syria and Libya, Iran sending weapons and funding Palestinian terrorist organizations? Who stopped that?
The UN or United States?

What countries pushed for the Isrealites to be obliterated into the Sea?
Who's vision was that? Surely the the United States didnt like the idea, The United States didnt pander those countries to incite terrorism for that vision to become a reality resulting in alot of bloodshed.


Look now as the United Nations struggles with Iran and allows them to begin enrichment of Uranium. Look how the United Nations let the Soviets build the Power plants that enable them to do this.

Iran has funded terrorist organizations for hundreds of years, we all know this.

Why does the United Nations negotiate with terrorists?
Look what the United Nations did about Frances recent problem of the riots?
NOTHING.

You might be looking too deeply... In a Daily Show fashion, you should have 'Taken a Slightly Closer Look'. Your post, although 99% correct, was looking at all sides, and too deeply... not good. The Arabs hate us because we do not allow them to blow up Israel or provide them with the weapons to do so. On the flip side, Washington D.C. is Israeli controlled terr(or)itory, so the day will not come that we allow the destruction, unless the Arab lobbyists pony up more money.

We are also painted in the Middle East as the great Satan by all forms of media in the region. At one time we were liked in the region, and the UK was hated. Spins and Round-a-bouts. People need someone to hate, it is a crucial component of Facism. Look around you, it is happening in our own country.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I agree.

Bush has got to go, or get this term over with fast.
Our government is corrupting at the core as it begins breaking down freedoms we inherently expect.

It is not good.

[davidd]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

So it can be said that the United Nations is 100% incompetant.

100%, but then again they are an arm of 'government'. To assume any part of government is competant, let alone efficient, would be naive.

Their history of mismanagement and ineffectiveness is massive. I would be interested in seeing the numbers on how many people have died in genocides while the UN watched on sidelines. The organization is joke.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Religeous corruption is nothing new in the Middle east.

Whats spookie is religeous extremism and corruption within the United States.
As of late the Bible thumpers are at a pitch roar and the attempts to change our government is knocking on the door or breaking it in rather.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Anyways nice chat.

I rather die in the name of Freedom than in the name of god any day.

When people die in the name of god...
Very bad things happen.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Aweman I was expecting a decent debate by the Euro guys or United Nations cock suckers...

Bummer.
I guess it is to hard to dispute the historical facts as the shit lines up huh?

[tranza]

fuck the United Nations

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Aweman I was expecting a decent debate by the Euro guys or United Nations cock suckers...

Bummer.
I guess it is to hard to dispute the historical facts as the shit lines up huh?

Wouldn't want to pull you out of your shit world ...

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Wouldn't want to pull you out of your shit world ...

Oh man, I thought ya would have ran into a restaraunt with explosives tied to you're body by now.

DO it for god man...

Kill innocent people to make a statement!

Why I bet in the eyes of Allah you are somehow guranteed passage to the 13 virgins?

Perhaps Allah and the United Nations should put efforts in Keeping the peace not inciting hell on earth. Freedom of individual thought and expression is certainly worth dying for. Ask any American.

What do those that support terrorism believe in?
When I picture a terrorist running into a strip mall and blow himself up all I can think is what a fucken dipshit.

Maybe I should not think so?
Should I respect that as a civilised human being? Yet somehow I am supposed to understand that what he/she did was right?
For what? God?

LOL...

Please.

The terrorist is just another disillusioned asshole looking for attention.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Or maybe Terrorist's that die in the name of god are actually artists and the blood of the innocent are the paint for the white wall's it splatters upon?

Either way...

It does not help people see the truth nor does it help people pursue the lives to be all that they can be while living.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Oh man, I thought ya would have ran into a restaraunt with explosives tied to you're body by now.

DO it for god man...

Kill innocent people to make a statement!

Why I bet in the eyes of Allah you are somehow guranteed passage to the 13 virgins?

Perhaps Allah and the United Nations should put efforts in Keeping the peace not inciting hell on earth. Freedom of individual thought and expression is certainly worth dying for. Ask any American.

What do those that support terrorism believe in?
When I picture a terrorist running into a strip mall and blow himself up all I can think is what a fucken dipshit.

Maybe I should not think so?
Should I respect that as a civilised human being? Yet somehow I am supposed to understand that what he/she did was right?
For what? God?

LOL...

Please.

The terrorist is just another disillusioned asshole looking for attention.

I tought that the topic was internet and UN... Obviously, I misread. Sorry.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Nah I am just pointing out how incompetant the United Nations is and what entites are at the table that aim to benefit from such an event.

Why ghee I got the idea.

The United Nations controls the internet, terrorists that they placate begin an effort to censore the people that speak and think for themselves while taxing those that pursue knowledge while in turn the revenues fund terrorists to blow people up while eating dinner or getting married during UN Committee meetings deciding where to send the checks.

NICE PLAN!

LOL!

Why I bet ya didnt know that the early terror camps in Palestine were funded by the United Nations under the guise that those schools and training camps went to extremist under "AID" of the United Nations.

Fuck that!

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Whats the answer to the UN when it comes to Kim Jung II in North Korea?

Pay them the ransom money?
Let them secretly enrich Uranium?

Let them publicly execute it's own people that wish to move to another country to seek out a better life?

So far the United Nations has proven time and time again they are incompetant and when shit comes to shove the United States has to be "The bad guy".

Why would the United States be "the Bad Guy" when we are doing the job the United Nations pledged to do back at it's very inception after WWII? But when the United states drops the bombs the story changes all of sudden the USA fucked up Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan Isreal, Libya...
Sounds to me more like Europe is pandoring for its own benefits politically. THis is proven in the Oil for food program.

The Chinese know this and America know this. Yet America and China are the biggest economic factors today and guess what. United States and China are also the biggest trade partners.

But somehow The USA are bad people with an extreme ideology, an idealogy that is based on freedom of thought and expression. I see no need to pander tot he United Nations nor the EU at any point. America is the economical focus of the world and maybe those that live under strict governance religeously or politically should realise that at the end of the day it is a free mind that shapes the world.

Not God.

[Troels]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

The United States is still a country that believes in the freedom and liberty and justice for all. We Americans will die to make things right for the oppressed while the United Nations has no problem keeping Dictatorships in power that oppress thier people.
History has proven it time and time again.

Oh please, spare us the religious we're good, they are evil rhetoric.
Your foreign policy has one objective. To serve US interests. Nothing more, nothing less. You're not better than anyone else. It makes me sick to hear this crap again and again and again.

Let's see how long it takes someone to mention WW2 and how YOU saved the world.

[Troels]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

But somehow The USA are bad people with an extreme ideology, an idealogy that is based on freedom of thought and expression. I see no need to pander tot he United Nations nor the EU at any point. America is the economical focus of the world and maybe those that live under strict governance religeously or politically should realise that at the end of the day it is a free mind that shapes the world.

Not God.

You must be fucking kidding me. Is there another western industrialized country where religion, law and politics are more integrated than in the US?

You ARE the economical focal point, but don't sugarcoat the fact that your whole society and infrastructure has been poisoned by religion. And it's getting worse.