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TurboAngel 11-14-2005 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dalai lama
Smoking weed is legal here :)

I know! :winkwink:

Thanks for the comments I feel much better knowing I'm not crazy. IMO the Dr. is the biggest drug dealer in town.

:disgust

TheJimmy 11-14-2005 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboAngel
... the Dr. is the biggest drug dealer in town.

:disgust


Agreed, but the Dr. is exactly why, eventually, I believe this substance will be legalized. There are valid studies showing it's use in the treatment of a few illenesses. I mean, come on, Dr's can prescribe variants of opium and other VERY deadly drugs (ie oncologists) why the hell should a Dr not be able to prescribe a damm botanical medicine to a patient if they feel it would do them good?

The high courts have struck down medical marijuana initiatives based on current laws, the only thing that will make it legal eventually is electing congressmen and senators that actually RESPECT the professional training and opinion of doctors. If I were a doctor today I'd be irate that a politician would tell me what is best for my patients in my practice.

When someone gives up over a decade of their life with some intense levels of training, and incurring often a few 100k worth of debt to get into a profession, you'd THINK they might have 'some' ability to make good decisions in treating their patients.

NickPapageorgio 11-14-2005 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TheJimmy
When someone gives up over a decade of their life with some intense levels of training, and incurring often a few 100k worth of debt to get into a profession, you'd THINK they might have 'some' ability to make good decisions in treating their patients.

Agreed. As opposed to some slimeball politician who has backdoored and blackballed half the people he's ever known to get into the position that he/she is in. :disgust

TurboAngel 11-14-2005 10:00 AM

I think the government makes so much more $$ keeping it illegal. Here in NC the cop's just take it and give you a ticket, it's a misdemeanor as long as it's less than an ounce and a 1/2 so you pay the funky little $100 fine and go on.

rip raster 11-14-2005 10:13 AM

new studies have shown that chronic pot use stimulates cell growth in the hippocambus, part of the limbic system of the brain in charge of transferring information into memory

Maxy 11-14-2005 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio
I am against Pot, he killed more than 2 million people

:1orglaugh

Good Shit :thumbsup

HAPPYPEEKERS 11-14-2005 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom
Saw this on yahoo news or somewhere the other day:

Marijuana: THC Counters Cancer-Causing Chemicals Produced by Smoke

A new report says that Marijuana is not a cancer risk since the THC acts to counter the cancer-causing chemicals produced by it's smoke unlike tobacco where the nicotine does the opposite. The report is by Dr Robert Melamede of the Univ. of Colorado.
"THC turns down the carcinogenic potential," he said stating that in studies on mice THC seems to block the enzyme that turns chemicals in smoke to their cancer promoting form. Also cannabinoids help to reduce immune regulated responses to smoke.
Cells in the respiratory tract have cells with receptors where nicotine docks but none have been found for THC or other cannabinoids. Cannabinoid receptors do appear in the brain where they may protect cells from death due to injuries like a stroke.

Nice find..

I think that drinking is much worse than smoking weed :2 cents:

ElvisManson 11-14-2005 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Happypeekers
Nice find..

I think that drinking is much worse than smoking weed :2 cents:

Another spin on how pot is good for your brain.

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20051015/fob7.asp

"High Times for Brain Growth: Marijuana-like drug multiplies neurons
Christen Brownlee
In the stoner stereotype, pot smokers and dying brain cells go hand in hand. However, new research suggests the situation may be more uplifting than that. A drug that functions as concentrated marijuana does may spur neurogenesis, the process by which the brain gives birth to new nerve cells.
Previous research had suggested that neurogenesis happens only in select locations in the brain, such as the hippocampus, a region involved in learning and memory. Some studies have shown that this process is inhibited by most illicit drugs, such as cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamine. However, says Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon, marijuana's effect on neurogenesis has not been clear."

GlydeGirl 11-14-2005 12:44 PM

The REAL reason pot is illegal has to do with historically eliminating competition for the cotton-growers. Hemp has been used for centuries for rope, clothing, paper, and food and can grow abundantly all over the world. When we were first developing North America, the cotton growers lobbied the government to crack down on hemp products, as hemp was cutting into the cotton industry's bottom line. The government agreed and hemp became the "outlaw". Until the cotton industry changes its mind about hemp products, the ban will continue.

BRISK 11-14-2005 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MaskTVMaura
The REAL reason pot is illegal has to do with historically eliminating competition for the cotton-growers. Hemp has been used for centuries for rope, clothing, paper, and food and can grow abundantly all over the world. When we were first developing North America, the cotton growers lobbied the government to crack down on hemp products, as hemp was cutting into the cotton industry's bottom line. The government agreed and hemp became the "outlaw". Until the cotton industry changes its mind about hemp products, the ban will continue.

That might be the original reason it was made illegal, but I think modern day opposition to it has grown far beyond cotton growers.

CE_BigB 11-14-2005 12:53 PM

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Babagirls 11-14-2005 12:54 PM

wish it was legal, i need to lose weight and need the THC in weed to help lol

GlydeGirl 11-14-2005 12:56 PM

I think that the major moral objection to pot has to do with the "illegality" of it (and the unchallenged belief that every law on the books is there for a GOOD REASON, i.e. to protect the average consumer) -- therefore I believe the cotton-growers still are the major reason.

After Shock Media 11-14-2005 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MaskTVMaura
I think that the major moral objection to pot has to do with the "illegality" of it (and the unchallenged belief that every law on the books is there for a GOOD REASON, i.e. to protect the average consumer) -- therefore I believe the cotton-growers still are the major reason.

It was made illegal because it was the drug of choice for minorities and non conformists. Both of which were considered to be a seeping sore to this nation early on.
The cotton industry had very little to due with it becoming illegal they just happened to get the perks. Keep in mind the cotton industry not only could easily switch over to a higher profit producing crop (hemp) with zero side effects. Many cotton fields and farmers were indeed hemp farmers first before they had to switch anyways (same with tobacco and a few others). The paint industry took a mild hit, though was able to come up with a substitute for hemp oil so they also did not object much to the congressional meeting either. In reality the only industry to object to hemp becoming illegal was the bird seed industry. To this day they still have an exemption that allows them to include sterilized hemp seeds in bird food. No other seed can put such a sheen on feathers as hemp does.

Though the correlation between hemp and marijuana legalization seems to run hand in hand, it is a funny double edged sword. Hemp production is illegal because it would be "to hard" for the DEA and the police to be able to enforce marijuana cultivation due to how similar the plants look. The other edge of that sword of course is simple genetics. If hemp were legal to grow and produce cross pollination would occur in outdoor crops rapidly and thus would weaken the outdoor grown marijuana crops, eventually making them useless.

The main issue stands as to why marijuana is illegal. The answer still remains the same. It is more profitable and convenient to keep illegal. It still is favored by radicals and minorities and thus gives an easy way to bust, enslave, and remove the rights from those that do not conform. Then the drug just makes way to much money being illegal for everyone who enforces every aspect of it.

ElvisManson 11-14-2005 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MaskTVMaura
I think that the major moral objection to pot has to do with the "illegality" of it (and the unchallenged belief that every law on the books is there for a GOOD REASON, i.e. to protect the average consumer) -- therefore I believe the cotton-growers still are the major reason.

It wasn't just the Cotton growers. The lobby also included the Petro-Chem industry and the Lumber industry. All 3 of those groups lobbied to have hemp made illegal. The fast that prohibition had just ended and there were thousands of G-Men doing nothing didn't hurt either.

:2 cents:

Swappernet 11-14-2005 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BRISK
That might be the original reason it was made illegal, but I think modern day opposition to it has grown far beyond cotton growers.

I agree and in my opinion which is just an opinion but if it was legal it would cause a lot of problems for govt and big business

pharmaceutical companies - could no longer say take a pill for everything

drug testing companies would lose out on profits as well as law enforcement as they both make tons off of smokers

Oil companies may face competition

cotton and paper companies

alcohol and tabbacco

these are just a few that I can think of but as I said before this is just my opinion :) I say decrimalize and tax the hell out of it and use the tax money to pay for healthcare or education or something useful. One last thing is the fast food companies would be happy with all the munchies people would have.

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BRISK 11-14-2005 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MaskTVMaura
I believe the cotton-growers still are the major reason

I disagree

IMO, marijuana is still illegal because taking a position on marijuana legalization is political suicide because politics is controlled by stuffy old people who are the greatest voters and donors to political parties. These stuffy old people think that marijuana is the devil drug and that if it were to be legalized, everyone would suddenly run to the store and buy pounds of it and begin smoking it all day long, and as a result crime would increase and society would crumble. REEFER MADNESS!!!

For marijuana to be completely legalized/decriminalized, it would require political support to do so, and mainstream politicians know that it isn't safe to promote such an idea. Besides, a significant percentage of politicians are those stuffy old people that I described.

By the way, marijuana production and consumption is pretty much illegal in almost every country of the world, including countries that don't even grow any cotton, but all those countries do have one thing in common: politicians that are controlled by stuffy old people/voters who think legalizing marijuana would destroy society.

People have an irrational fear of marijuana because of decades of demonization. They'll never change, they'll take those fears to the grave with them. Hopefully younger generations won't share the same fear and hysteria about marijuana when they reach the prime age for political power.

TurboAngel 11-14-2005 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CE_BigB
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You go boy.

:winkwink:

polle54 11-14-2005 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio
I am against Pot, he killed more than 2 million people


just throwing numbers around eh?

anyway I can assure you alcohol takes down more than 10 times as many people every year than pot...

Combined with using pills that fucks you up in ways Pot can't come near, I have to side with TurboAngel here.

One thing though, too much pot makes you slow and inproductive no doubt about that, been there done that.

ElvisManson 11-14-2005 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by polle54
just throwing numbers around eh?

anyway I can assure you alcohol takes down more than 10 times as many people every year than pot...

Combined with using pills that fucks you up in ways Pot can't come near, I have to side with TurboAngel here.

One thing though, too much pot makes you slow and inproductive no doubt about that, been there done that.


Um.....he was talking about Pol Pot. Perhaps reading the rest of the thread would prevent situations like this from happening again.

:winkwink:

BradM 11-14-2005 03:58 PM

I am against pot and I am a liberal.

I don't drink or take any prescription painkillers or medication other than antibiotics when I need them.
I also don't consume caffiene.

Generalizing is bad. :)

xlogger 11-14-2005 04:00 PM

Fuck all the other drugs and alcohol!

WEED IS DA SHIS-NIT!!

blazi 11-14-2005 04:00 PM

people take this issue way too far, if ya smoke it ya smoke it, if ya don't ya don't who cares really

TurboAngel 11-14-2005 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ElvisManson
Um.....he was talking about Pol Pot. Perhaps reading the rest of the thread would prevent situations like this from happening again.

:winkwink:


We'll forgive him.

:)


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