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Old 11-13-2005, 05:50 AM   #1
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British man recovers from HIV

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4432564.stm

seems like bs to me
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Old 11-13-2005, 05:56 AM   #3
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thanks,ill check it out today
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Old 11-13-2005, 05:56 AM   #4
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Old 11-13-2005, 05:59 AM   #5
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seems like real good news for the guy anyway
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Bush should liberate him and dice him up and find a cure
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"we offered him further tests to help us investigate and find an explanation for the different results.

"So far Mr Stimpson has declined this offer." "


hmmmm BS
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Old 11-13-2005, 06:57 AM   #8
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It sounds unbelievable would be nice if its true though
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Old 11-13-2005, 07:04 AM   #9
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Thats the lamest excuse for reporting I have ever seen, absolutely no facts are given, theres nothing about which tests were used etc. The statement that he required no medication is BS as soon as a western blot confirms you are positive you are put on medication...

Thats just BS at this point
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That whole country looks like its got HIV
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Old 11-13-2005, 09:37 AM   #13
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I would think that one of the tests was incorrect. And if I had been told that I beat the disease, I wouldn't want another test either. What if the next test told me that I had HIV? Talk about a mind fuck.
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Old 11-13-2005, 09:46 AM   #14
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Okay..here is part of the reason I question him - If you were the first person in the world to be cured of HIV for real "The News Of The World" would not be the paper breaking the story.
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Old 11-13-2005, 09:47 AM   #15
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There is a part of Africa where the prostitutes seem to be imune to HIV. They have sex bareback many times a day.

It has been written up many times, including the Toronto Globe and Mail.

There is a lot about HIV that we do not know. But the money is in the treatments, not the cure or the vaccine to prevent it.
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My guess is that this fucker mixed up the blood samples or something like that
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If there can be false-negatives for the test, why not false postives?
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Thats the lamest excuse for reporting I have ever seen, absolutely no facts are given
uhhh...that's why they use words like "anecdotal", "claims", "unable to confirm"

They're simply reporting the story of what that guy "claims" to be true, they didn't report that it was true.
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It could be true. I have read some of the theories that say that the releife coctail of drugs is what is killing these people.

I personally know 3 guys that died from it, but I dont know any of the background how after they contracted it.
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Great news... if that's true...
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It could be true. I have read some of the theories that say that the releife coctail of drugs is what is killing these people.

I personally know 3 guys that died from it, but I dont know any of the background how after they contracted it.
Stick to subjects you have a clue about.........
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There is a part of Africa where the prostitutes seem to be imune to HIV. They have sex bareback many times a day.

It has been written up many times, including the Toronto Globe and Mail.

There is a lot about HIV that we do not know. But the money is in the treatments, not the cure or the vaccine to prevent it.
Prostitutes lose HIV immunity


The prostitutes come from Kenya

A group of prostitutes thought to be immune to HIV have now become infected, causing dismay to scientists hoping to develop an Aids vaccine.
It was thought that exposure to HIV on a regular basis created immunity, but six Kenyan women previously thought to be resistant are now HIV-positive.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/619316.stm
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There is a part of Africa where the prostitutes seem to be imune to HIV. They have sex bareback many times a day.
And on that note... I'm off to Africa without a rubber in my pocket.
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The prostitutes come from Kenya

A group of prostitutes thought to be immune to HIV have now become infected, causing dismay to scientists hoping to develop an Aids vaccine.
It was thought that exposure to HIV on a regular basis created immunity, but six Kenyan women previously thought to be resistant are now HIV-positive.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/619316.stm
As fast as I could reply, you spoiled my trip.

I wonder how they were about to hold it off for so long before becoming HIV+?
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As fast as I could reply, you spoiled my trip.

I wonder how they were about to hold it off for so long before becoming HIV+?
According to the article. The girls have to maintain constant exposure to the virus in order to maintain immunity. As soon as they stopped exposing themselves to the virus....it moved in and took over.
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According to the article. The girls have to maintain constant exposure to the virus in order to maintain immunity. As soon as they stopped exposing themselves to the virus....it moved in and took over.
So to avoid infection, stay in contact with virus. To contract infection, stay away from virus.

Am I the only one really confused?
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Get a copy of the documentary
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I watched and all I can say WOW, even did further research on the web where experienced professors claim the exact same thing with documented studies that......

HIV is not the cause of AIDS, even yet it may not even exists.

Guys, get a copy from that documentary from edonkey and it will shock your world. I'm sure you may find things to question on it, but it will become so clear we haven't been told the truth since the start.
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I watched and all I can say WOW, even did further research on the web where experienced professors claim the exact same thing with documented studies that......

HIV is not the cause of AIDS, even yet it may not even exists.

Guys, get a copy from that documentary from edonkey and it will shock your world. I'm sure you may find things to question on it, but it will become so clear we haven't been told the truth since the start.
Holy fucking shit!!! Someone on GFY actually took my advice!

But having watched it you see exactly what I'm seeing. The fact that there is even a controversy about this disease points to there is more going on than meets the eye.

The simple fact that stands out in my mind is the basic stats of it. If HIV was a "new" disease. We would have a greater number of people contracting the disease than currently is.

All standard and accepted evidence points to that HIV has been around for centuries.
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exactly metroporntour and you won't believe how many thousand researchers support the same and nobdy gives them a stand to talk. No wonder we barely hear anying about all these billions for studies.

good reading

http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/index/epapadopoulos.htm
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this one is even better

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"If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There is no such document."

Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry.

"Up to today there is actually no single scientifically really convincing evidence for the existence of HIV. Not even once such a retrovirus has been isolated and purified by the methods of classical virology."

Dr. Heinz Ludwig Sänger, Emeritus Professor of Molecular Biology and Virology, Max-Planck-Institutes for Biochemy, München.
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So to avoid infection, stay in contact with virus. To contract infection, stay away from virus.

Am I the only one really confused?

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That whole country looks like its got HIV

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That would be a good news to all fellas who have STD.
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"If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There is no such document."

Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry.

"Up to today there is actually no single scientifically really convincing evidence for the existence of HIV. Not even once such a retrovirus has been isolated and purified by the methods of classical virology."

Dr. Heinz Ludwig Sänger, Emeritus Professor of Molecular Biology and Virology, Max-Planck-Institutes for Biochemy, München.
Def: The Scientific Method.

The scientific method or scientific process is fundamental to scientific investigation and to the acquisition of new knowledge based upon physical evidence by the scientific community. Scientists use observations and reasoning to propose tentative explanations for natural phenomena, termed hypotheses. Predictions from these hypotheses are tested by various experiments, which should be reproducible. An important aspect of a hypothesis is that it must be falsifiable, in other words, it must be possible to prove the hypothesis to be false. If a proposition is not falsifiable, then it is not a hypothesis, and instead an opinion or statement not based upon the scientific method.
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Ok,

How this relates to the H.I.V. topic is simple. By the fact that there are membres of the scientific community can offer evidence that conflicting evidence about this virus. The proposition is now "false" and the accepted knowledge on this disease is only opinion and statements.

IE: H.I.V. = AIDS is pure bullshit. In fact you discover that H.I.V. being deadly or dangerous is also bullshit.

Henceforth offering possible evidence that the person of this story may have indeed recovered from this virus.
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Soul_Rebel, upload that movie for me. I'll send you an FTP user and pass if you wan I'm EDonkey impaired.
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I watched and all I can say WOW, even did further research on the web where experienced professors claim the exact same thing with documented studies that......

HIV is not the cause of AIDS, even yet it may not even exists.

Guys, get a copy from that documentary from edonkey and it will shock your world. I'm sure you may find things to question on it, but it will become so clear we haven't been told the truth since the start.
It never ceases to amaze me that people can uncover ANYONE who says ANYTHING or makes a documentary that says ANYTHING, and then claim it IS THE TRUTH, and everything else is just one big global conspiracy.
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"If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There is no such document."

Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry.

"Up to today there is actually no single scientifically really convincing evidence for the existence of HIV. Not even once such a retrovirus has been isolated and purified by the methods of classical virology."

Dr. Heinz Ludwig Sänger, Emeritus Professor of Molecular Biology and Virology, Max-Planck-Institutes for Biochemy, München.
BS BS BS!
Just WHAT is in that viral then if it is not the "HIV retroviral virus"? tens of thousands of doctors have been DUPED into believing that the simple FLU virus is what has passed for hiv?

You can start with the FRENCH who isolated it first way back in 1985!!
Try sticking to the facts and NOT quoting these obscure people who just make claims.
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How I wish news like this was indeed true.
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Statistically if you are a:

Circumsized White Male (non IV drug user)
Having straight sex (non anal)
With White Women (never used IV drugs)
From The First World

Your chances are getting AIDS are non-existent.

The above is rarely discussed for 'social sensitive' reasons, but they are fact.

If the FDA approves the oral HIV test for over the counter purchase, it will revolutionize casual sex. 20 minutes, and you know the result.
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BS BS BS!
Just WHAT is in that viral then if it is not the "HIV retroviral virus"? tens of thousands of doctors have been DUPED into believing that the simple FLU virus is what has passed for hiv?

You can start with the FRENCH who isolated it first way back in 1985!!
Try sticking to the facts and NOT quoting these obscure people who just make claims.
Dr. Eleni Papadopulos is a biophysicist and leader of a group of HIV/AIDS scientists from Perth in Western Australia.

Here is an excerpt from an interview done with Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos

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CJ: But Montagnier and Gallo did publish photographs of virus particles.

EPE: No. Montagnier and Gallo published electron micrographs of a few particles which they claimed are a retrovirus and are HIV. But photographs don?t prove particles are a virus and the existence of HIV was not proven using the method presented at the 1973 meeting.

CJ: And what was that method?

EPE: All the steps I have just told you. The only scientific method that exists. Culture cells, find a particle, isolate the particle, take it to pieces, find out what?s inside and then prove those particles are able to make more of the same with the same constituents when they?re added to a culture of uninfected cells.

CJ: So before AIDS came along there was a well tried method for proving the existence of a retrovirus but Montagnier and Gallo did not follow this method?

EPE: They used some of the techniques but they did not undertake every step including proving what particles, if any, are in the 1.16 gm/ml band of the density gradient, the density that defines retroviral particles.

CJ: But what about their pictures?

EPE: Montagnier's and Gallo's electron micrographs and every other electron microscope picture published up until March this year are of unpurified cell cultures. Not the gradient. Before March this year, no one had ever published a picture of a density gradient.

CJ: Which is what we need to do to prove isolation of retroviral particles?

EPE: Yes.

CJ: Can the 1.16 band contain material other than retroviral particles?

EPE: Yes. That?s another reason why you need a photograph. To see everything that?s going on. It was known long before the AIDS era that retroviral-like particles aren't the only material that may find their way into this part of the density gradient. Tiny cellular pieces, some recognisable as internal structures of cells, or just cellular debris, can band at 1.16 gm/ml. And some of this material can enclose nucleic acids and take on the appearances of retrovirus particles.

CJ: What are nucleic acids?

EPE: DNA and RNA.

CJ: Surely though, if retroviral particles are released from cells without disrupting the cells, it must be possible to guard against cellular contamination?

EPE: Well it is and it isn't. Certainly the animal retrovirologists were well aware of this problem and strongly advised handling the cultures gently and regularly topping them up with nutrients to keep the cells alive. So they don?t disintegrate. But in the case of HIV there are additional problems. We are told that HIV is cytopathic meaning it kills cells. So one could hardly claim that putative virus particles are the only things likely to be floating around in culture fluids or at 1.16 gm/ml. The other confounding fact is that in many HIV experiments the cells are deliberately broken up by the experimenter as part of the experiment. Knowing all this, it's a complete mystery why any HIV researcher could have omitted the crucial step of taking an EM of a density gradient.(5)

CJ: Could it be because electron microscopy is highly specialised and expensive?

EPE: It may have been in the early days but not anymore. For the past twenty years at least electron microscopy has been used daily in most hospitals to diagnose all kinds of diseases. Besides, there are plenty of EMs of HIV cultures. It?s just that until this year, for some unknown reason, there haven?t been any of the density gradient.

CJ: All right. Let's talk about the pictures of the density gradient published this year. What do we see there?

EPE: Two groups, one Franco/German (9) and one from the US National Cancer Institute (10), published pictures of density gradients. In the Franco/German study the pictures are from the 1.16 gm/ml band. It is impossible to tell from which density the pictures in the American study are taken but let's assume it's the correct 1.16 density for retroviral particles. The first thing to say is that the authors of these studies concede that their pictures reveal the vast majority of the material in the density gradient is cellular. The authors describe all this material as "non-viral", or as "mock" virus or "microvesicles".

CJ: What are microvesicles?

EPE: Encapsulated cell fragments.

CJ: Are there any viral particles in these pictures?

EPE: There are a few particles which the researchers claim are retroviral particles. In fact, they claim these are the HIV particles but give no evidence why.

CJ: Are there lots of these HIV particles?

EPE: No. The band should contain billions and when you take an electron micrograph they should fill the entire picture.
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It never ceases to amaze me that people can uncover ANYONE who says ANYTHING or makes a documentary that says ANYTHING, and then claim it IS THE TRUTH, and everything else is just one big global conspiracy.
Same people that don't give their kids the MMR.
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Same people that don't give their kids the MMR.
Same can be said about people that accept the status quo as gospel truth.

How much research have you done on the subject to validate or disprove?
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How much research have you done on the subject to validate or disprove?

Spent better part of a decade working with HIV/AIDS patients and being trained as an educator. No, I am not a doctor, yes I am familiar with the theory you are supporting but I don't agree.
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