When will CCBILL Start Baning and stop billing for Bestiality sites? - GoFuckYourself.com

greentea · 03-18-2002, 06:21 PM

Kimmy Kim?

Ron?

greentea · 03-18-2002, 06:32 PM

Since this new rule has gone into affect

When are you guys going to can processing for these sites?

the lolita , cp and other sites are not even to mention in this thread..

Kat - Fast · 03-18-2002, 06:34 PM

they'll stop proccessing them when the CJ's stop promoting them...

greentea · 03-18-2002, 06:38 PM

i would think they would stop proccessing when this takes effect.

Now they have visa over there back, i dont think they will be fucking around.. I know when something is reported to ccbill nothing is done regarding spam esp beast spam..

Im sure if i send that same email to visa, things will change

greentea · 03-18-2002, 06:52 PM

Theo · 03-18-2002, 06:53 PM

why you didnt mention ibill also in your post?

greentea · 03-18-2002, 06:54 PM

IBill to

Ibill Cathy Anything?

Kimmykim · 03-18-2002, 07:08 PM

greentea, while I neither know nor care who you are, given the date of your registration and your posts, I probably wouldn't care anyway.

When it becomes your business what CCBill does, then I will see fit to discuss situations with you.

I'll just assume given your comments that you don't have a bestiality site, therefore you wouldn't be affected if and when a specific ruling comes out.

CCBill does not deal in rumor, nor do we foster the spreading of rumors. When and if Visa comes out with ANY ruling that affects specific clients of ours, we will discuss it with those clients affected.

We do not feel the need to broadcast our business, or anyone else's on message boards, and I'd venture to guess that other processing companies may feel the same way.

Kimmykim · 03-18-2002, 07:10 PM

oh and btw, I'm not aware of a word called baning that would have anything to do with this business... perhaps it's either some kind of silly fetish or you just misplaced your copy of Mavis Beacon?

TaDoW · 03-18-2002, 07:12 PM

give em hell KimmyKim!

SR · 03-18-2002, 07:13 PM

Kimmykim · 03-18-2002, 07:14 PM

LOL Tadow, it's not about giving whoever the poster may happen to turn out to be hell.

It's about the fact that our business is ours, it's between us and our clients.

We deal in facts, not rumors. And we deal with our clients, we don't parade our business decisions around on message boards, nor do we make our business decisions based on posts

greentea · 03-18-2002, 07:15 PM

Kimmy

You cant even give me an answer?

I dont run beast sites, but you guys encourage and do nothing about these sites..

When it become my business? First of all i process with you
and ibill, this is non of my buisness? are you sure?

--
CCBill does not deal in rumor, nor do we foster the spreading of rumors. When and if Visa comes out with ANY ruling that affects specific clients of ours, we will discuss it with those clients affected

So what Clay from Epoch is saying is boolshit?

TaDoW · 03-18-2002, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
LOL Tadow, it's not about giving whoever the poster may happen to turn out to be hell.

It's about the fact that our business is ours, it's between us and our clients.

We deal in facts, not rumors. And we deal with our clients, we don't parade our business decisions around on message boards, nor do we make our business decisions based on posts

Totally understandible :-) it doesn't do you any good to respond to rumors, just a waste of time and could just end up fucking ya in the long run.

Kimmykim · 03-18-2002, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by greentea
Kimmy

You cant even give me an answer?

I dont run beast sites, but you guys encourage and do nothing about these sites..

When it become my business? First of all i process with you
and ibill, this is non of my buisness? are you sure?

--
CCBill does not deal in rumor, nor do we foster the spreading of rumors. When and if Visa comes out with ANY ruling that affects specific clients of ours, we will discuss it with those clients affected

So what Clay from Epoch is saying is boolshit?

You have your answer. Go back and read it.

greentea · 03-18-2002, 07:18 PM

Ah yes the normal ccbill spin

Wizzo · 03-18-2002, 07:21 PM

Who cares?

Anyone?

Anyone, besides greentea?

Anyone?

FATPad · 03-18-2002, 07:21 PM

Someone's a little defensive.

mika · 03-18-2002, 07:24 PM

KimmyKim, CCBill does not have the authority to charge people's credit cards unless everyone in GFY says it's ok

TaDoW · 03-18-2002, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wizzo
Who cares?

Anyone?

Anyone, besides greentea?

Anyone?

I think I saw a little guy in the back raise his hand...

greentea · 03-18-2002, 07:27 PM

Wizzo

I care about who i process with and, i like to know what the hell goes on at that company regarding certain things..

Report abuse to ccbill when you get spammed
you will see what i mean.. See nothing cos nothing happens...

redshift · 03-18-2002, 07:28 PM

whats a "bool"?

kmanrox · 03-18-2002, 07:46 PM

i would be interested to know as well =-)

Kimmykim · 03-18-2002, 08:13 PM

Good point redshift. I'm sure it's somehow related to a baning...

TJ · 03-18-2002, 08:20 PM

KK,

Have you heard anything regarding Visa and beast processing? Rumor or not.

I do not understand why Clay would make something like this up.

I do not know why more of you do not find this absolutely horrifying. You should be scared shitless when Visa begins to dictate what adults all over the world can pay to look at. KP and lolita, fine. That is a no brainer. But beast? I dont like looking at it, but I also dont like looking at shit eating and piss drinking. Should it be added to Visa's list of whats acceptable? Oh hell no.

Kimmykim · 03-18-2002, 08:30 PM

TJ, I am sorry but I can't comment on anything we hear or have heard until it's an actual rule. The reason for this is pretty simple. There have been alot of proposals, especially recently, that we've had discussions with our banks about, but then they are not put into place.

If I posted every time I heard something rumored, or proposed, I'd spend my whole day quoting this stuff and I'd never get anything done.

I have heard some pretty weird stuff as of late, I'm sure others may have heard that as well, but it's not going to change anything by repeating any of it.

*Personally*, I don't particularly care for certain types of content. I'm sure that everyone here has come across things they find revolting, unappealing or just plain gross. The bottom line is just because I don't personally care for it, doesn't mean I want to see anything censored, especially not by a monopolistic company that perhaps should be sued and have to go through the discovery process so everyone could see just what said company does in it's own business practices.

Is that going to happen? I don't know.

But I do agree with you on the issue that once censoring starts, it almost never stops.

jimmyf · 03-18-2002, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TJ
KK,

Have you heard anything regarding Visa and beast processing? Rumor or not.

I do not understand why Clay would make something like this up.

I do not know why more of you do not find this absolutely horrifying. You should be scared shitless when Visa begins to dictate what adults all over the world can pay to look at. KP and lolita, fine. That is a no brainer. But beast? I dont like looking at it, but I also dont like looking at shit eating and piss drinking. Should it be added to Visa's list of whats acceptable? Oh hell no.

I agree...
What's next?
If true and some of you are happy...better rethink.. No telling what's next....
Maybe the head person at Visa...is an Ass Hole Buddy of Ashxxxxx's....

Be very very carefull of what you wish for...you just might get 1 hell of alot more than...you wish...for...

Kimmykim · 03-18-2002, 08:34 PM

And one other thing TJ -- please do not think that I am insinuating that Clay made anything up. He works for Epoch, I work for CCBill. Therefore we wouldn't always have the same information, viewpoints, etc.

I don't think that he would just go around making things up.

We don't discuss matters that affect our clients by making announcements, we talk to our clients about them. Once again, completely different companies. We do have clients with bestiality sites, it's not a big secret; we don't communicate with them on a message board tho, we contact them directly since they are the ones who stand to gain or lose from a potential rule change.

TJ · 03-18-2002, 09:10 PM

Thank you, I understand your position and I really appreciate the replies.

greentea · 03-18-2002, 09:19 PM

Kimmy

I wish you could be more honest and open with ALL your clients just as clay is..

thats all, no spin, no bullshit

It seems yours always trying to hide something..

Steve · 03-18-2002, 09:27 PM

Since bestiality is LEGAL in most of the US, as well as in a large portion of the World that spends money, CCBill SHOULD process for the sites that cater to that.

I get a kick out all these people that come to boards and decide that they are so pure, and upstanding, that they can call out another individual/company for operating within the law.

Let me clue you in: this is PORN
Hello? Do you think the general public believes there is a big difference making money off a goat getting gangbanged, or a naive 18 year old co-ed getting a facial? You peddle porn. Shut the fuck up already. EPOCH is pure as the driven snow because they process for interracial(which is also on the govt hit list) and not bestiality. Hahahahahaha

I hope a big company like CCBill sues the living shit out of VISA. I bet there would be a lawyer out there who could purchase a case of goat fucking vidoes with his VISA card, and yet not join goatfuckers.com with the same card. And I think that is unfair business practice.

I am getting concerned with these niches being brought down. Pretty soon we won't have these outrageous niche sites(bestiality, lolotia, pissing, gangbangs, facials) to throw to the wolves. What the fuck are you going to say when they start cracking down on more mainstream niches? Don't think this could happen? ARS and Maxcash don't shut down sites without a reason. I expect more programs to follow that trend.

[Labret] · 03-18-2002, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by greentea
Kimmy

I wish you could be more honest and open with ALL your clients just as clay is..

Did you just say "honest" and "Epoch (Clay)" in the same sentence?

That some kind of joke? I seem to remember a significant amount of chain jerking on their behalf not so long ago involving webmasters and funds due. But who am I to start slinging poo?

Quote:

thats all, no spin, no bullshit

It seems yours always trying to hide something..

Just why exactly is it any of your business how ccbill deals with any of its beastie customers?

Does it jeopardize your ability to process? No. In that case, it is of no concern to you. Run along before KK decides to stop humoring you.

Steve · 03-18-2002, 09:36 PM

Hey, welcome back, [Labret]

Yeah, I remember wondering where my EPOCH checks were. They have unfucked themselves now, but it just goes to show how nobody is perfect.

Lane · 03-18-2002, 09:36 PM

can you prove that CCBILL is doing anything illegal??

Gary · 03-18-2002, 09:38 PM

Yes EPoch should be held up as an example for all businesses. I remember spending many weeks trying to get my money out of them.

I havent used any sponsor that uses Epoch in a couple years at least.

greentea · 03-18-2002, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lane
can you prove that CCBILL is doing anything illegal??

never said they were doing anything illegal

Just asked KK about the visa ban on beast sites and comes the spin..

I dont think this is such a big secret if epoch posted it on the boards.. Then again i dont think they have that much $$ to loose as ccbill does from not doing the billing for these sites..

Corona · 03-18-2002, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by greentea
When it become my business? First of all i process with you
and ibill, this is non of my buisness? are you sure?

If you don't like the job that iBill and CCBill are doing why don't you start your own processing company. Then you can accept or decline clients as you see fit.

Steve · 03-18-2002, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by greentea
I dont think this is such a big secret if epoch posted it on the boards.. Then again i dont think they have that much $$ to loose as ccbill does from not doing the billing for these sites..

Why do you care? Is there a point to this, or do you just need a hobby? I'm more concerned about VISA dictating what kind of bills they pay(after AMEX did this a few years back). What happens next? That's the big concern.

greentea · 03-18-2002, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Corona

If you don't like the job that iBill and CCBill are doing why don't you start your own processing company. Then you can accept or decline clients as you see fit.

There both doing good as my backup billers, no probs there..
I actually did all my own billing up till 99 with my own merchant account:-) that company is since long sold..

Platinum Dave · 03-18-2002, 10:32 PM

Wow, I was not expecting ya Kim to be so aggresive towards a question like that.

I thought it was a valid question to ask.

Didnt seem like an attack in anyway.

Platinum Dave · 03-18-2002, 10:34 PM

Anyways I will just shut up now.

Amputate Your Head · 03-18-2002, 10:36 PM

Kimmy rocks....

money4all · 03-19-2002, 12:00 AM

HYPOCRATE!!!!
It's all over this place!

Now you asking other corp. like cc processor to do just like what you want... that' bullshit. It's the same if someone ask the hun how to do his bussiness. If you don't like your cc processor then DO NOT join to any sponsor who use it as their cc processor!!

And please do not teach someone about ethics because if you are involved in porn industries whether a porn site owner or a webmaster who advertise it then you forget the ethic already unless if you don't involved in porn bussiness or you found someone breaking the law. Got it, wiseman?!!

RLC · 03-19-2002, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve
Since bestiality is LEGAL in most of the US, as well as in a large portion of the World that spends money, CCBill SHOULD process for the sites that cater to that.

I get a kick out all these people that come to boards and decide that they are so pure, and upstanding, that they can call out another individual/company for operating within the law.

Let me clue you in: this is PORN
Hello? Do you think the general public believes there is a big difference making money off a goat getting gangbanged, or a naive 18 year old co-ed getting a facial? You peddle porn. Shut the fuck up already. EPOCH is pure as the driven snow because they process for interracial(which is also on the govt hit list) and not bestiality. Hahahahahaha

I hope a big company like CCBill sues the living shit out of VISA. I bet there would be a lawyer out there who could purchase a case of goat fucking vidoes with his VISA card, and yet not join goatfuckers.com with the same card. And I think that is unfair business practice.

I am getting concerned with these niches being brought down. Pretty soon we won't have these outrageous niche sites(bestiality, lolotia, pissing, gangbangs, facials) to throw to the wolves. What the fuck are you going to say when they start cracking down on more mainstream niches? Don't think this could happen? ARS and Maxcash don't shut down sites without a reason. I expect more programs to follow that trend.

Sooo fucking true! You took the dick right out of my mouth!

And people come here acting like fucking saints when it's very likely that one of their most recent galleries was pics of a drug addicted young girl taking her clothes of for money (no, most of the models aren't nymphos who just "looooves" to fuck).

Retards! Censour your own sorry asses.

Samran · 03-19-2002, 03:05 AM

well shit happen and ccbill and ibill close for beast site can you always use www.beastdialer.com
I do it and i make more money on the dialer in the pay sites

Dualcpu · 03-19-2002, 03:10 AM

If CCBILL or any other creditcard processor would not follow the rules of VISA, Mastercard or any other creditcard company - they will be history.

So until we hear anything directly from VISA we can't really speculate.

Dualcpu · 03-19-2002, 03:12 AM

Oh and Samran, go play around with your little dialer somewhere else.

funkmaster · 03-19-2002, 04:48 AM

"So until we hear anything directly from VISA we can't really speculate."

... from epoch´s website:

Monday March 18, 2002

Visa To End Processing for Bestiality Sites:
Epoch learned today that VISA will no longer allow processing of any transactions for bestiality websites.

This new regulation, which Epoch fully supports, is much like the recent lolita, peda and preteen rule. At this time we do not know the effective date for this new action. As always we will keep the webmaster community informed as this develops. As everyone knows, Epoch maintains a Zero Tolerance Policy for content of this nature.

12clicks · 03-19-2002, 06:15 AM

greenpee, you should teach KK and ccbill a lesson and stop processing both of your joins with them. The loss will surely make them treat with you on an equal level.

greentea · 03-19-2002, 07:28 AM

12clicks still trying to save your failing business?

03-18-2002, 06:21 PM	#1
greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	When will CCBILL Start Baning and stop billing for Bestiality sites? Kimmy Kim? Ron?

03-18-2002, 06:52 PM	#5
greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	bump

03-18-2002, 07:12 PM	#10
TaDoW Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Where It Rains Posts: 3,875	give em hell KimmyKim! __________________ -TaDoW I've Upped My Standards, Up Yours!

03-18-2002, 07:13 PM	#11
SR Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,239	Yawn

03-18-2002, 07:21 PM	#17
Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,224	Who cares? Anyone? Anyone, besides greentea? Anyone? __________________ Looking for Opportunity!

03-18-2002, 06:32 PM	#2
greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	Since this new rule has gone into affect When are you guys going to can processing for these sites? the lolita , cp and other sites are not even to mention in this thread..

03-18-2002, 06:34 PM	#3
Kat - Fast Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The bushes behind your house Posts: 2,303	they'll stop proccessing them when the CJ's stop promoting them...

03-18-2002, 06:38 PM	#4
greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	i would think they would stop proccessing when this takes effect. Now they have visa over there back, i dont think they will be fucking around.. I know when something is reported to ccbill nothing is done regarding spam esp beast spam.. Im sure if i send that same email to visa, things will change

03-18-2002, 06:53 PM	#6
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	why you didnt mention ibill also in your post?

03-18-2002, 06:54 PM	#7
greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	IBill to Ibill Cathy Anything?

03-18-2002, 07:08 PM	#8
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	greentea, while I neither know nor care who you are, given the date of your registration and your posts, I probably wouldn't care anyway. When it becomes your business what CCBill does, then I will see fit to discuss situations with you. I'll just assume given your comments that you don't have a bestiality site, therefore you wouldn't be affected if and when a specific ruling comes out. CCBill does not deal in rumor, nor do we foster the spreading of rumors. When and if Visa comes out with ANY ruling that affects specific clients of ours, we will discuss it with those clients affected. We do not feel the need to broadcast our business, or anyone else's on message boards, and I'd venture to guess that other processing companies may feel the same way.

03-18-2002, 07:10 PM	#9
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	oh and btw, I'm not aware of a word called baning that would have anything to do with this business... perhaps it's either some kind of silly fetish or you just misplaced your copy of Mavis Beacon?

03-18-2002, 07:14 PM	#12
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	LOL Tadow, it's not about giving whoever the poster may happen to turn out to be hell. It's about the fact that our business is ours, it's between us and our clients. We deal in facts, not rumors. And we deal with our clients, we don't parade our business decisions around on message boards, nor do we make our business decisions based on posts

03-18-2002, 07:15 PM	#13
greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	Kimmy You cant even give me an answer? I dont run beast sites, but you guys encourage and do nothing about these sites.. When it become my business? First of all i process with you and ibill, this is non of my buisness? are you sure? -- CCBill does not deal in rumor, nor do we foster the spreading of rumors. When and if Visa comes out with ANY ruling that affects specific clients of ours, we will discuss it with those clients affected So what Clay from Epoch is saying is boolshit?

03-18-2002, 07:18 PM	#16
greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	Ah yes the normal ccbill spin

03-18-2002, 07:21 PM	#18
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	Someone's a little defensive.

03-18-2002, 07:24 PM	#19
mika Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 1,561	KimmyKim, CCBill does not have the authority to charge people's credit cards unless everyone in GFY says it's ok

03-18-2002, 07:27 PM	#21
greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	Wizzo I care about who i process with and, i like to know what the hell goes on at that company regarding certain things.. Report abuse to ccbill when you get spammed you will see what i mean.. See nothing cos nothing happens...

03-18-2002, 07:28 PM	#22
redshift Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: anus fuckin' yo mama Posts: 1,044	whats a "bool"?

03-18-2002, 07:46 PM	#23
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,292	i would be interested to know as well =-) __________________ Crypto HODLr Crypto mining Angel investor

03-18-2002, 08:13 PM	#24
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Good point redshift. I'm sure it's somehow related to a baning...

03-18-2002, 08:20 PM	#25
TJ Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: WA Posts: 25	KK, Have you heard anything regarding Visa and beast processing? Rumor or not. I do not understand why Clay would make something like this up. I do not know why more of you do not find this absolutely horrifying. You should be scared shitless when Visa begins to dictate what adults all over the world can pay to look at. KP and lolita, fine. That is a no brainer. But beast? I dont like looking at it, but I also dont like looking at shit eating and piss drinking. Should it be added to Visa's list of whats acceptable? Oh hell no.

03-18-2002, 08:30 PM	#26
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	TJ, I am sorry but I can't comment on anything we hear or have heard until it's an actual rule. The reason for this is pretty simple. There have been alot of proposals, especially recently, that we've had discussions with our banks about, but then they are not put into place. If I posted every time I heard something rumored, or proposed, I'd spend my whole day quoting this stuff and I'd never get anything done. I have heard some pretty weird stuff as of late, I'm sure others may have heard that as well, but it's not going to change anything by repeating any of it. Personally, I don't particularly care for certain types of content. I'm sure that everyone here has come across things they find revolting, unappealing or just plain gross. The bottom line is just because I don't personally care for it, doesn't mean I want to see anything censored, especially not by a monopolistic company that perhaps should be sued and have to go through the discovery process so everyone could see just what said company does in it's own business practices. Is that going to happen? I don't know. But I do agree with you on the issue that once censoring starts, it almost never stops.

03-18-2002, 08:34 PM	#28
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	And one other thing TJ -- please do not think that I am insinuating that Clay made anything up. He works for Epoch, I work for CCBill. Therefore we wouldn't always have the same information, viewpoints, etc. I don't think that he would just go around making things up. We don't discuss matters that affect our clients by making announcements, we talk to our clients about them. Once again, completely different companies. We do have clients with bestiality sites, it's not a big secret; we don't communicate with them on a message board tho, we contact them directly since they are the ones who stand to gain or lose from a potential rule change.

03-18-2002, 09:10 PM	#29
TJ Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: WA Posts: 25	Thank you, I understand your position and I really appreciate the replies.

03-18-2002, 09:19 PM	#30
greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	Kimmy I wish you could be more honest and open with ALL your clients just as clay is.. thats all, no spin, no bullshit It seems yours always trying to hide something..

03-18-2002, 09:27 PM	#31
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	Since bestiality is LEGAL in most of the US, as well as in a large portion of the World that spends money, CCBill SHOULD process for the sites that cater to that. I get a kick out all these people that come to boards and decide that they are so pure, and upstanding, that they can call out another individual/company for operating within the law. Let me clue you in: this is PORN Hello? Do you think the general public believes there is a big difference making money off a goat getting gangbanged, or a naive 18 year old co-ed getting a facial? You peddle porn. Shut the fuck up already. EPOCH is pure as the driven snow because they process for interracial(which is also on the govt hit list) and not bestiality. Hahahahahaha I hope a big company like CCBill sues the living shit out of VISA. I bet there would be a lawyer out there who could purchase a case of goat fucking vidoes with his VISA card, and yet not join goatfuckers.com with the same card. And I think that is unfair business practice. I am getting concerned with these niches being brought down. Pretty soon we won't have these outrageous niche sites(bestiality, lolotia, pissing, gangbangs, facials) to throw to the wolves. What the fuck are you going to say when they start cracking down on more mainstream niches? Don't think this could happen? ARS and Maxcash don't shut down sites without a reason. I expect more programs to follow that trend.

03-18-2002, 09:36 PM	#33
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	Hey, welcome back, [Labret] Yeah, I remember wondering where my EPOCH checks were. They have unfucked themselves now, but it just goes to show how nobody is perfect.

03-18-2002, 09:36 PM	#34
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	can you prove that CCBILL is doing anything illegal?? __________________

03-18-2002, 09:38 PM	#35
Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	Yes EPoch should be held up as an example for all businesses. I remember spending many weeks trying to get my money out of them. I havent used any sponsor that uses Epoch in a couple years at least. __________________ Up to 35$ per join...!

03-18-2002, 10:32 PM	#40
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03-18-2002, 10:34 PM	#41
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03-19-2002, 12:00 AM	#43
money4all Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: trulymoney.com Posts: 125	HYPOCRATE!!!! It's all over this place! Now you asking other corp. like cc processor to do just like what you want... that' bullshit. It's the same if someone ask the hun how to do his bussiness. If you don't like your cc processor then DO NOT join to any sponsor who use it as their cc processor!! And please do not teach someone about ethics because if you are involved in porn industries whether a porn site owner or a webmaster who advertise it then you forget the ethic already unless if you don't involved in porn bussiness or you found someone breaking the law. Got it, wiseman?!! __________________ Truly Money SATELLITE TV 3 months FREE, cheaper than cable, 4 receivers, up to 170 ch, no equipment to buy, free installation!

03-19-2002, 03:05 AM	#45
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