guns banned in san fran...?

[The Truth Hurts]

i guess the constitution doesn't apply there.

[The Truth Hurts]

oops.. forgot the article..

San Francisco Approves Gun, Military Recruiting Ban

Voters approved ballot measures to ban handguns in San Francisco and
urge the city's public high schools and college campuses to keep out
military recruiters.

The gun ban prohibits the manufacture and sale of all firearms and
ammunition in the city, and makes it illegal for residents to keep
handguns in their homes or businesses.

Only two other major U.S. cities - Washington and Chicago - have
implemented such sweeping handgun bans.

With all precincts reporting early Wednesday, 58 percent of voters
backed the proposed gun ban while 42 percent opposed it.

Although law enforcement, security guards and others who require
weapons for work are exempt from the measure, current handgun owners
would have to surrender their firearms by April.

A coalition led by the National Rifle Association has said it plans to
challenge the initiative in court, arguing that cities do not have the
authority to regulate firearms under California law.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

It is unconstitutional and will never stand.

[DateDoc]

Welcome to yesterday
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/538184-hand-guns-outlawed-san-francisco.html

[AmateurFlix]

I sincerely doubt they're going to be able to enforce that

[Sly]

Gay marriage, yes. Gun ownership, no.

[QuaWee]

Originally Posted by Sly

Gay marriage, yes. Gun ownership, no.

Gay marriage doesn't kill people

[Sly]

Originally Posted by QuaWee

Gay marriage doesn't kill people

The state of Kentucky says different.

[Joe Citizen]

You have to wonder about a country that lets an 18 year old buy a large calibre hand gun but won't allow him to legally drink lite beer.

LOL

[latinasojourn]

yeah, the jigs in cow palace and the western addition will certainly turn in their firearms.

the problem with this sort of deal everytime is that law abiding people get rid of their guns, and criminals keep them.

solves nothing.

as chris rock says; "if you want to stop people from shooting one another make the bullets $10,000 each"

then folks will think about whether someone is worth killing.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Joe Citizen

You have to wonder about a country that lets an 18 year old buy a large calibre hand gun but won't allow him to legally drink lite beer.

LOL

The "country" doesn't make the drinking laws. And there are many states in the US which allow drinking under 21 with certain circumstances.

Once again someone who has never spent more than 30 days in the US likes to think they know the laws

If I were a criminal, I'd be hitting up the houses in SF on 4/1/06

[Sly]

Now here is some interesting reading...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/05/national/05gun.html

Should it succeed in banning handguns, it would join big cities like Washington, which banned handgun ownership in 1976, and Chicago, which in 1982 banned manufacture, sale and possession of handguns, but grandfathered in guns owned when the ordinance went into effect. Chicago has since banned the sale of ammunition.

http://www.ichv.org/Statistics.htm

Chicago ended 2002 with 647 homicides, 3% fewer than in 2001. Of the 2002 Chicago homicides, 511 (or 79%) were shot to death with a firearm.

[sonofsam]

Originally Posted by QuaWee

Gay marriage doesn't kill people

what if they have a crazy wedding and fire rocket propelled grenades in the air as some type of crazy gay marriage celebration?

[Joe Citizen]

Originally Posted by Peaches

The "country" doesn't make the drinking laws. And there are many states in the US which allow drinking under 21 with certain circumstances.

Oh with certain circumstances..... ... and what would they be?

And which states are you referring to?

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Joe Citizen

Oh with certain circumstances..... ... and what would they be?

And which states are you referring to?

Google is your friend, Joe!

[Peaches]

Here's a hint - here in GA I can legally give a minor alcohol in my house. In FL we were drinking wine in my church run school starting in the 7th grade.

Seek and ye shall find, my little US Hater

[Joe Citizen]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Google is your friend, Joe!

I think you're making it up Peaches.

Maybe they can have a lite beer at their 18th birthday party when they open up their gift wrapped .45.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Joe Citizen

I think you're making it up Peaches.

Care to make a wager on that?

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Here's a hint - here in GA I can legally give a minor alcohol in my house. In FL we were drinking wine in my church run school starting in the 7th grade.

Seek and ye shall find, my little US Hater

I've been in a bar a few times with my dad and had a few beers. I was 16 the first time.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Joe Citizen

I think you're making it up Peaches.

Nope, its true.

Someone in California wouldn't get away with it, but in other states its definitely possible.

[aico]

Originally Posted by Peaches

The "country" doesn't make the drinking laws. And there are many states in the US which allow drinking under 21 with certain circumstances.

Once again someone who has never spent more than 30 days in the US likes to think they know the laws

If I were a criminal, I'd be hitting up the houses in SF on 4/1/06

Actually, they sort of did. States can have an 18 year old drinking age but will forfeit government funding if they do..., so although it's not a "law" they make it so states really don't have a choice.

[The Truth Hurts]

[Sly]

And now that I think of it, one of the neighboring cities of my hometown was a HUGE college town, pretty good school too. The seniors from my high school would go there on weekends to drink because they were 18 and could. Now the actual legality of everything I'm not quite sure, but "21" was not the enforced drinking age.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by aico

Actually, they sort of did. States can have an 18 year old drinking age but will forfeit government funding if they do..., so although it's not a "law" they make it so states really don't have a choice.

Again, you might want to read up on it

The National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 required all states to raise their minimum purchase and public possession of alcohol age to 21. States that did not comply faced a reduction in highway funds under the Federal Highway Aid Act.... It does not prohibit persons under 21 (also called youth or minors) from drinking. The term "public possession" is strictly defined and does not apply to possession for the following:

* An established religious purpose, when accompanied by a parent, spouse or legal guardian age 21 or older
* Medical purposes when prescribed or administered by a licensed physician, pharmacist, dentist, nurse, hospital or medical institution
* In private clubs or establishments
* In the course of lawful employment by a duly licensed manufacturer, wholesaler or retailer.? 1

Many of the states that have chosen to specifically prohibit alcohol consumption by those under age 21 have a variety of exceptions. For example,

Some States allow an exception for consumption when a family member consents and/or is present. States vary widely in terms of which relatives may consent or must be present for this exception to apply and in what circumstances the exception applies. Sometimes a reference is made simply to "family" or "family member" without further elaboration.

....

Some States allow an exception for consumption on private property. States vary in the extent of the private property exception which may extend to all private locations, private residences only, or in the home of a parent or guardian only. In some jurisdictions, the location exception is conditional on the presence and/or consent of the parent, legal guardian, or legal-age spouse.

Some States also allow exceptions for educational purposes (e.g., students in culinary schools), religious purposes (e.g., sacramental use of alcoholic beverages), or medical purposes. 2

[Joe Citizen]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Here's a hint - here in GA I can legally give a minor alcohol in my house. In FL we were drinking wine in my church run school starting in the 7th grade.

Oh gee, how lucky. Ya gotta love those special circumstances.

Now let me know when an 18 year old can actually BUY lite beer.

Trust an 18 year old with a .45 but not a beer.... ya sure got your priorities straight aintcha Peaches.

[Sly]

Joe surely Australia can't be perfect. We already get it that you don't like our laws. Thats fine, don't move here. I don't see anyone in this thread calling the US perfect.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Joe Citizen

Oh gee, how lucky. Ya gotta love those special circumstances.

Now let me know when an 18 year old can actually BUY lite beer.

Trust an 18 year old with a .45 but not a beer.... ya sure got your priorities straight aintcha Peaches.

Poor Joe - once again got his ass handed to him when he tried to act like he knew the laws of a country he spent a week in a couple of years ago.

I said "special circumstances" in my very first reply. You're the one who said I made it up. And you are the one who said an 18 year old couldn't legally drink a lite beer and I proved you wrong. Run along now, Joey.

[AmateurFlix]

Originally Posted by Sly

Joe surely Australia can't be perfect. We already get it that you don't like our laws. Thats fine, don't move here. I don't see anyone in this thread calling the US perfect.

The US is doing something right if it's keeping that idiot on the other side of the planet.

[Joe Citizen]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Poor Joe - once again got his ass handed to him when he tried to act like he knew the laws of a country he spent a week in a couple of years ago.

I said "special circumstances" in my very first reply. You're the one who said I made it up. And you are the one who said an 18 year old couldn't legally drink a lite beer and I proved you wrong. Run along now, Joey.

An 18 year old being able to drink a lite beer in a redneck shack in Georgia doesn't mean squat. Can you buy it? No. Can you buy a .45? Yes.

So yeah, thanks for playing.

[aico]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Again, you might want to read up on it

And you may want to look of the definition of "sort of"...

sort of
adv : to some (great or small) extent;

[Joe Citizen]

Originally Posted by Sly

Joe surely Australia can't be perfect. We already get it that you don't like our laws. Thats fine, don't move here. I don't see anyone in this thread calling the US perfect.

Just pointing out something i see as absurd.

When an 18 year old can buy a .45 and not a lite beer well that strikes me as a little fucked up.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by aico

And you may want to look of the definition of "sort of"...

sort of
adv : to some (great or small) extent;

Agreed - my mistake!

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Joe Citizen

Just pointing out something i see as absurd.

When an 18 year old can buy a .45 and not a lite beer well that strikes me as a little fucked up.

I can't really argue with that. I have no problem with 18 year olds buying beer. I also know WHY they initially created the laws, which I can understand, but still don't quite agree with.

[ronbotx]

Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts

i guess the constitution doesn't apply there.

The NRA is on the case:

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/Releases.aspx?ID=6839

[Rob]

Wow, crazy fags.

[je_rome]

and to think Gov. Arnie is The Terminator.

[baddog]

it will get overturned . . . again

[com]

I will carry as happy as can be all through that stupid city

[bringer]

Originally Posted by Joe Citizen

Just pointing out something i see as absurd.

When an 18 year old can buy a .45 and not a lite beer well that strikes me as a little fucked up.

you dont even live in this country so why are you commenting on it? 21 is the legal age to buy a handgun, not 18. sorry, you lose.

[com]

Originally Posted by bringer

you dont even live in this country so why are you commenting on it? 21 is the legal age to buy a handgun, not 18. sorry, you lose.

you can posess and own a handgun at 18 though you can't buy one.

[bringer]

Originally Posted by com

you can posess and own a handgun at 18 though you can't buy one.

really? in california?

[com]

JUVENILE POSSESSION
Are minors restricted from possessing guns? Partial

California - State law restricts juveniles under 18 from possessing handguns without parental permission or authorized supervision. But there are no direct restrictions on juveniles possessing rifles or shotguns without parental permission or supervision. See also: Juvenile Sale.

[com]

I received my first .40 S&W as a gift at 19.

[bringer]

Originally Posted by com

I received my first .40 S&W as a gift at 19.

thats interesting considering in california you are required to go threw a FFL when transfering ownership of a weapon which means you must be 21 to recieve a handgun.

[com]

Originally Posted by bringer

thats interesting considering in california you are required to go threw a FFL when transfering ownership of a weapon which means you must be 21 to recieve a handgun.

not within family at least.

hold up Im pulling the exact penal code that applies. Ive got all this shit dogeared on the laptop.

[com]

call and ask the atf
Added by johnboy_96 on 2001-11-21 @ 22:13:24
I spoke with an ATF inspector today. He explained to me that the only way a person under the age of 21 can posess a handgun is if they have a letter of permission from their parent or legal gaurdian. And no a person under 21 can not purchase a handgun from a private party. this is against the law. If you sell a handgun to someone who is under 21 you can do serious jail time. But I digress some people only hear what they want to hear. So believe this if you want, or call your local ATF branch office and ask to speak to an inspector. Let them educate those who are ignorant of the law. I have spoken....

still looking for that damn specific penal code... im too tired to be worming through all this crap again...

[theking]

Originally Posted by Joe Citizen

Just pointing out something i see as absurd.

When an 18 year old can buy a .45 and not a lite beer well that strikes me as a little fucked up.

Federal law imposes the following restrictions aimed at younger persons:

A person must be 21 years of age to purchase a handgun or handgun ammunition, and 18 years of age to buy a rifle or shotgun or ammunition, from a retail firearm dealer. A person under age 18 may not possess a handgun or handgun ammunition, and it is illegal for a person to provide a handgun or handgun ammunition to a person under age 18, except for target shooting, hunting, or certain other exempted purposes.

You need to take a course on US law.

[com]

yeah buying ammo is ammo, except in certain states... some states you cant buy ammo without a permit period. even here in cali shooting, buying accessories and ammo and the like for my pistol was a non issue.

[theking]

STATE LAWS

The following is a list of additional restrictions imposed by individual states. Please note that cities and localities may have their own firearms ordinances in addition to federal and state laws. Some information on some of these laws is published in the BATF's State Laws and Published Ordinances -- Firearms, available from the U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington, D.C. 20402. However, laws change, so you should
always confirm the law with the appropriate federal state and local law enforcement agencies.

Alabama - It is unlawful to deliver a handgun to any person under 18.

Alaska - An unemancipated minor under 16 years of age may not possess a firearm without the consent of parent or guardian.

Arkansas - It is unlawful to sell, give, rent, or otherwise furnish a firearm to a person under 18 without the consent of a parent, guardian or other person responsible for the general supervision of the minors welfare.

Arizona - An unemancipated person under 18 not accompanied by a parent, grandparent, guardian or a certified hunter safety instructor or certified firearms safety instructor acting with consent of the minor's parent, grandparent or guardian shall not carry or possess on his person, within his immediate control, or in or on a means of transportation a firearm in any place open to the public or on any street, highway, or on private property, except private property owned or leased by the minor or the minor's parent, grandparent or guardian. This prohibition does not apply to a person between 14 and 17 engaged in lawful hunting, marksmanship practice, transportation of an unloaded firearm for the purpose of hunting or, between 5:00 AM and 10:00 PM, transportation of an unloaded firearm for the purpose of marksmanship at a range or other area where the discharge of firearms is not prohibited. This law applies in counties with a population exceeding 500,000. However, counties with a lesser population, or cities and towns within such counties, may adopt an ordinance identical to this law.

California - A minor may not possess a handgun except with written permission or under the supervision of a parent or guardian.

Colorado- It is unlawful for any person under 18 to possess a handgun, and it is unlawful to provide or permit a juvenile to possess a handgun. Exceptions to this prohibition are:

1) Attendance at a hunters safety course or firearms safety course,
2) Engaging in lawful target shooting,
3) Participating in or practice for a performance by a group organized under IRA code 501(c)(3) which uses firearms as part of such performance,
4) Hunting or trapping with a valid license,
5) Traveling with an unloaded handgun to or from any activity described in subparagraphs 1 through 4 above,
6) While on real property under the control of the juveniles parent, legal guardian or grandparent and who has the permission of the parent or legal guardian to possess a handgun,
7) While at the juveniles residence and with permission of parent or legal guardian to possess a handgun for self -defense.

Connecticut - It is unlawful to sell a firearm to any person convicted of a felony, any illegal alien or any minor under the age of 18. It is unlawful to sell or transfer a handgun to any person who is forbidden to possess a handgun, or to a person under 21. However, a handgun may be temporarily transferred to a person under 21 for target shooting under the immediate supervision of a person eligible to possess a handgun and such use is otherwise permitted by law.

Washington D.C. - All rifles and shotguns must be registered with the Metropolitan Police. To obtain a registration certificate, the applicant must be 21 (or be over 18 and have a liability statement signed by a guardian).

Delaware - It is unlawful for a parent to permit a child under 16 years of age to possess a firearm or air or BB gun except under the direct supervision of an adult.

Florida - It is unlawful to sell, give, lend or transfer a pistol or other arm or weapon "other than an ordinary pocketknife" to a minor under the age of 18 without a parent's permission, or to any person of unsound mind.
It is unlawful for any dealer to sell any "pistol, Springfield rifle or other repeating rifle" to a minor. A minor under 18 may not possess a firearm, other than an unloaded firearm at home, unless engaged in lawful activities.

Georgia - It is unlawful for any person to sell or furnish a handgun to a person under 21 years of age.

Hawaii - It is unlawful for a minor under 18 to possess a rifle or shotgun. However, a person 16 or over, and any person under 16 while accompanied by an adult, may carry and use any lawfully acquired rifle or shotgun, and suitable ammunition therefore, while engaged in hunting, or while going to and from the place of hunting, or while engaged in target shooting at a range.

Iowa - It is unlawful to sell, loan, give, or make available a rifle or shotgun or ammunition therefor to a person under 18. Caliber .22 rimfire ammunition is deemed to be rifle ammunition. However, a parent, guardian, spouse who is 18 or older, or another with the express consent of the minor's parent or guardian or spouse who is 18 or older, may allow a minor to possess a rifle or shotgun or ammunition therefor which may be lawfully used. It is unlawful to sell, loan, give, or make available a handgun or ammunition therefor to a person under 21. Exceptions to this prohibition are:

1) A parent, guardian, or spouse who is 21 or older, of a person less than 21 but at least 14 may allow the person to possess a handgun or ammunition therefor for any lawful purpose while under the direct supervision of the parent or guardian or spouse who is 21 or older, or while the person receives instruction in the proper use of handguns from an instructor 21 or older, with the consent of such parent, guardian or spouse.
2) A person under 21 but at least 18 may possess a handgun and ammunition therefor while on military duty, while a peace officer, security guard, or correctional officer, when such duty requires the possession of such a weapon or while the person receives instruction in the proper use of a handgun from an instructor who is 21 or older.

Idaho - It is unlawful for a child under 12 to possess any shotgun, rifle, or other firearm while in the fields or forests or in any tent, camp, auto, or any other vehicle.

Illinois - It is unlawful for any person under the age of 18 to possess a handgun or concealable firearm. A person under the age of 21 is not required to have an Firearms Owner's Identification Card (FOI) in order to possess a firearm or ammunition while under the immediate control of a parent, guardian or other adult who has a valid FOI.

Indiana - It is unlawful for any person except a parent or guardian to sell or give a handgun to any person under 18.

Kansas - "It is unlawful for persons under 18 to possess a firearm with a barrel less than 12 inches unless such persons are: (1) in attendance at a hunter's or firearms safety course, (2) target shooting at an established range, (3) engaging in an organized competition involving the use of such firearm or participating in or practicing for a performance by an organization exempt from federal income tax pursuant to section 501(c)(3) of the internal revenue code of 1986 which uses firearms as a part of such performance, (4) hunting or trapping with a valid license, (5) traveling to or from any activity described in (1) through (4) above with the firearm being unloaded, secured and outside immediate access, (6) on real property under control of their parents, legal guardian or grandparent, with permission to possess such firearm, or (7) at their parents' or legal guardian's residence with permission to possess such firearm for self-defense."

Kentucky - None.

Louisiana - It is unlawful to sell firearms to minors. "Unlawful sales to minors is the selling or otherwise delivery for value by anyone over the age of seventeen of any firearm or other instrumentality customarily used as a dangerous weapon, to any person under the age of eighteen. Lack of knowledge of the minor's age shall not be a defense."

Maine - None.

Maryland - No firearm or ammunition may be sold to any minor under the age of 18 without express parental consent.

Massachusetts - An Firearm Identification Card (FID) shall not be issued if the applicant is under 15 or is more than 15 and less than 18 and does not have parental or guardian permission.

Michigan - No rifle, shotgun or handgun may be sold to a minor under 18, a convicted felon or a person under indictment. To purchase a handgun from either a dealer or private individual, the buyer be 18, a U.S. citizen, a resident of Michigan, have no felony conviction, have never been adjudged insane (unless later restored by court order) and score 70% on a basic pistol safety review questionnaire.

Minnesota - No state permit is required to possess a rifle, shotgun or handgun. The following may not possess a handgun or semi-automatic military style assault weapon:

1) A person under 18. But a person under 18 may carry or possess a handgun or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon in the actual presence or under the direct supervision of parent or guardian; for purpose of a military drill; for purpose of a supervised instruction, competition or target practice on a police approved firing range; or if the person has completed a course on handgun or semi-automatic military-style assault weapon marksmanship and safety approved by the Commissioner of Natural Resources.

[theking]

Mississippi - It is unlawful for any person to sell, give or lend any firearm or pistol cartridge to any person whom he knows to be a minor or under the influence of alcohol.

Montana - It is unlawful for a parent or a guardian to permit a minor under 14 to carry or use a loaded firearm unless the minor is accompanied by the parent or guardian or under supervision of a qualified firearms safety instructor.

North Carolina - It is unlawful for any parent or guardian to permit his child under the age of 12 to possess or use "any gun," except when the child is under their direct supervision. It is unlawful for any other person to furnish any firearm to a child.

North Dakota - A person under 18 may possess a handgun only under direct adult supervision for purposes of firearm safety training, target shooting or hunting.

Nebraska - It is unlawful for any person under 18 to possess a handgun "or any other form of short-barreled hand firearm." Exempt from this prohibition are persons temporarily loaned such firearms "for instruction under the immediate supervision of a parent or guardian or adult instructor."

New Hampshire - None.

New Jersey - No person under 18 shall possess, carry, fire, or use a firearm except under the following circumstances:

1) In the actual presence or under the direct supervision of a parent or guardian, or some other person who holds a Permit to Carry or Firearm Identification Card (FID); or
2) For the purpose of military drill under the auspices of a legally recognized military organization and under competent supervision; or
3) For the purpose of competition or target practice on a firing range approved by the governing body of the municipality in which the range is located or the National Rifle Association and which is under competent supervision at the time of such supervision or target practice; or
4) For the purpose of hunting during the regularly designated hunting season, provided he possesses a valid hunting license and has successfully completed a hunter's safety course.

New Mexico - It is unlawful for a person under 19 to possess or transport a handgun, except when the person is:

1) attending a hunter's or handgun safety course;
2) engaged in target shooting or in organized competition;
3) legal hunting or trapping;
4) participating in or practicing for a performance by a nonprofit organization formed under I.R.S. Code § 501(c)(3);
5) traveling with an unloaded handgun to or from legalized activities;
6) on real property under the control of the under 19 person's parent, grandparent or guardian and while under their supervision.

Nevada - A minor under 14 may not possess a firearm unless accompanied by or under the immediate charge of an adult. It is unlawful to sell to a person under 18 a firearm capable of being concealed on the person.

New York State - Generally, it is unlawful for anyone under the age of 16 to possess any firearm; however, a rifle or shotgun may be possessed by a person between the ages of 12 and 16 who is engaged in supervised target shooting on a range. A minor at least 14 years of age may hunt with any rifle or shotgun, provided he or she has a valid hunting license and is accompanied by a parent, guardian or other parentally-designated
adult who also holds a valid hunting license.

New York City - Persons under 18 may not obtain a permit to possess a rifle or shotgun.

Ohio - It is unlawful to sell a handgun to a person under 21, or any firearm to a person under 18. A firearm may be furnished to a person under 18 for lawful hunting (persons 16 or over may hunt alone), instruction in firearms safety, care and handling or marksmanship under the supervision or control of a responsible adult.

Oklahoma - It is unlawful for any person under 18 to possess any weapon, except rifles or shotguns used in hunting, target shooting, or other recognized sporting event. It is unlawful to sell or give any firearm to any person under 18 years of age. Exempt from this prohibition is a parent giving his or her child a rifle or shotgun for participation in hunting, target shooting, or other recognized sporting events. It is unlawful for any
parent or guardian to permit his or her child to possess any firearm if aware of a substantial risk that the child will use the weapon in a crime or if the child has been adjudicated a delinquent or convicted as an adult of any criminal offense.