This is what you would call a half truth. Statements made to appear as fact, pulled loosely from unconfirmed statistics. Without digging through all the dirt, one could be convinced, like franck has been, that just about anything is going to kill you. And in fact it's true! Even water yes water will kill you. Water intoxification is lethal. But that's a different story.

Edit: I never even said I smoked pot franck, and what you were saying is libelous and slander. You're a real stand up fellow.

alcohol is more dangerous for alot of reasons.

mainly it actually impairs your judgement and reaction. also, you can't smoke too much weed and die, but it's very easy to drink yourself to death.

I still think franck owes me an apology. But I'll take the disservice he's done himself here instead. ;)

I (pimp-a-licious)Just smoked a blunt son!
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/3764/154ge.jpg

Ah pwoor pot smoker. Go tell your mommy.

And in reply to "strange things that sooth you"

And

How much more nonsense is gonna come out of his mouth.

For what exactly pothead moron?? For what?

Yeah good thing you stay so clear when smoking weed.

:1orglaugh

God..what is it with weed smokers? It really seems they live in a fantasy world.

Is this really what you've sunk to? Or were you always like this? You're belittling yourself! Have some dignity. I would normally not even dignify this kind of rubbage with a response but seriously son, before you shit on yourself anymore... think about what you're saying ;)

things that sooth, and even current preference do not infer use.

Hmm this coming from a guy who denies facts and then tells me to post some facts instead.
This coming from a guy who says its libel that i call him a pothead while he more than once posted on this board he smokes pot.

Yo pothead idiot, maybe, just maybe this are indications that youre slightly smoking too much...just maybe.

Anyway pothead, answer me. What exactly should i apologize for?? Waiting....

you owe us all an apology for dragging the average IQ of this board down 15 points, not to mention your halfassed debate. Not following up on your facts and baseless claims. All in all just for wasting my time and the time of others.

:1orglaugh

Kid, go smoke some weed. You pathetic pothead.

do you pull this shit out of your ass?
the positive affects of marijuana greatly outweigh the negative, I don't think you are able to say the same of alcohol
Here is a little article to help you understand the affects of marijuana on the body and the brain Marijuana Facts

smoking pot actually reduces the risk of certain cancers... just unimportant ones like BRAIN TUMORS

Thank you for that informative article. Let's check the author... Time for me to take a load off, franck I suggest you do the same. :pimp

Pubdate: Wed, 1 Dec 2004
Source: Scientific American (US)
Copyright: 2004 Scientific American, Inc
Contact: [email protected]
Website: http://www.sciam.com/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/404
Author: Roger A. Nicoll and Bradley N. Alger
Note: Roger A. Nicoll and Bradley E. Alger first worked together in the late 1970s, when they both were forming what has become an enduring interest in synaptic transmission. At that time, Nicoll had just moved to the University of California, San Francisco, where he is now professor of pharmacology; Alger, currently professor of physiology and psychiatry at the University of Maryland School of Medicine, was his first postdoctoral fellow.Nicoll is a member of the National Academy of Sciences and recent winner of the Heinrich Wieland Award.
Related: Editorial: Marijuana Research http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v04/n1651/a06.html
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/mmj.htm (Cannabis - Medicinal)
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?232 (Chronic Pain)

Everyone grows a form of the drug, regardless of their political leanings or recreational proclivities. That is because the brain makes its own marijuana, natural compounds called endocannabinoids ( after the plant's formal name, Cannabis sativa ).

The study of endocannabinoids in recent years has led to exciting discoveries. By examining these substances, researchers have exposed an entirely new signaling system in the brain: a way that nerve cells communicate that no one anticipated even 15 years ago. Fully understanding this signaling system could have far-reaching implications. The details appear to hold a key to devising treatments for anxiety, pain, nausea, obesity, brain injury and many other medical problems.

If you deny these FACTS then you are clearly as retarded as that other pothead Com. And i wont discuss anymore with you because your fucked up weed brain wont understand reality.

And i never said weed doesnt have positivie effects. I think thats an another topic.

Now go smoke a joint with Com so you can share your fantasy weed stories.

Oh look, pothead idiot Com is all happy now. Suddenly he is interested in the author and the article is interesting and ofcourse those are real facts. Everything else on official sites that i post is bullshit and lies. Com, last time, you are a total fucking clueless idiot living in a fantasy world.

100....... :girl

franck you are an idiot, I'm not denying anything just stating the facts
marijuana has some negative affects but the positive greatly out weigh them.
alcohol really has no positive affect other than it makes you feel good for a brief period

franck what is the big beef that you have against pot/potheads?

Ok, 2nd and last reply to you.

"I'm not denying anything just stating the facts"

You did deny the facts. Go back to your first reply to me. The facts you called nonsense i pulled out of my ass.

"marijuana has some negative affects but the positive greatly out weigh them"

Once again i never said there are no positive effects. They greatly outweigh i HIGHLY doubt. But im not informed enough to say anything more about that.

"alcohol really has no positive affect other than it makes you feel good for a brief period"

Alcohol has some positive effects, so has smoking cigarettes so has anything you eat, drink, smoke, snort whatever. I bet i even can find some studies about positive effects of heroine. But like Com you dont want to hear anything other than that weed is good for you.

You deny facts. Real facts and you call me an idiot.

Man....

Ok, no point in discussing with you 2 potheads anymore. Its like talking to someone who claims grass is blue.

Oh i dont mind answering this. I have totally no beef with potheads. I had my share of weed as well when i was younger.
I have a beef with idiots who deny reality and only call facts facts when they agree with them. Like you and uber moron Com.

dude I am not denying anything as I have said in the past. I have smoked pot for years medicinally and have also done my fair share of boozing the title of the thread is "Is being a Stoner better than being an alcoholic" and the answer to that undenyably is YES
ok lets get on to your list of adverse affects
* Impaired perception - I havn't experienced any
* Diminished short-term memory - no
* Loss of concentration and coordination - I actually concentrate better when high
* Impaired judgement - no
* Increased risk of accidents - no I have been driving for almost 20 years without an accident (while high)
* Loss of motivation - I have not experienced this
* Diminished inhibitions - alcohol does this I havn't experienced it with pot
* Increased heart rate - it actually lowers your heartrate
* Anxiety, panic attacks, and paranoia - if you read the article that iposted youwill see that the opposite is true
* Hallucinations - never have I ever hallucinated on pot (we could always hope though I guess :) )
* Damage to the respiratory, reproductive, and immune systems - could, as with anything inhaled
* Increased risk of cancer - only certain cancers if smoked... if vapourized there is no risk of cancer
* Psychological dependency - maybe in some
I hope this helps you understand things a little better

I could reply that you just made it to the top. I thought Com was the biggest idiot in this thread but you just outdid him.
Wait, i just did.

You moron pothead. Denying official studies because you personally havent experienced some of these facts.

Oh god...

Only thing i can do is bump this one more time so more people can laugh at you and your amazing stupidity.

This seriously was my last reply to you. I rather talk to my cat since she is smarter than you.

Franck...you're a fucking european square who probably doesn't even smoke weed like we do. you think just cuz weed is legal where you live it is the best? lmao. come to the bay area...if you saw how purple and sticky and crystally the weed from the canibus clubs is YOU would shit YOUR pants before you could even hit the blunt. our lifestyles are most likely completely different so let's just leave it at that...

anyone who beats someone after drinking or smoking has some serious issues that can't be blamed on weed or alcohol.

Franck are you related to Harry Anslinger? because you seem to be as fucked up as he was. I'm not denying any official studies I am denying shit that you pulled out of your ass to make a point and a pretty lousy one at that.

you're big on the insult department, what is the problem? you have some kind of inferiority complex?small penis? what is it? did you not get enough attention from mommy? or maybe daddy gave a little to much attention to your anus...

I really pity you

true, but at the same token, i've never blacked out stoned.

Alcohol dosent make people angry it just reduces there Inhabitations so that beating people is acceptable to them. The anger is allways there alcohol just impairs them enough to justify it.

Cannabis abuse leads to laziness and lack of motivation and ambition

Most of the stoners I know are going nowhere in life and it will remain that way until they stop abusing cannabis.

Moderation is the key :2 cents:

Both are portrayed as a negative.I'm glad I can control my vices

You're all a bunch of pussies!

C'mon, admit it.. everybody likes to get drunk and/or high because it's fun and it makes us feel good. Who gives a real shit about the details of who takes what? Different body chemistries work with different intoxicants, and we all like to party!

I'm so surprised to see you all on the defensive about your choice of poison -- what is this... are you all concerned with being good little boys and girls so your daddies and mommies can give you a nice gold star? Am I on the right message board?

they are probably just lazy people, the pot has nothing to do with it. I know plenty of people that smoke pot that are not lazy and are successful.

to each his own though, all drugs/substances affect each individual differently so what may be of benifit to one may kill another

Man, you expressed exactly what I was thinking. :thumbsup

amen to that, there's nothing i find more pitiful than feeling like I have to tiptoe through the toulips

comparing alcohol to marijuana in they're harmful affects is very difficult. but ill attempt it..

marijuana isn't physically addictive although in some cases it can be mentally addictive.

alcohol is addictive and you WILL become dependent over a period of time if abused.

marijuana affects you mentally that are harmful such as lazy, unmotivated, and emotionless/indifferent.

alcohol is different instead of blinding emotions like weed it lets them all out which can be very harmful if your really intoxicated. it definately impairs your judgement 10 fold compared to marijuana.

marijuana hasn't been proved to cause cancer or any other health related problems to my knowledge. although i speak from experience it definately doesn't help the lungs any.

alcohol obviously damages the liver not sure what else it does..

OVERALL i believe they are equally harmful. they are harmful in completely different ways a lot less obvious when it comes to marijuana.

but when i hear stories like one earlier in this thread about someones mother getting beat because the father smoked weed is horse shit in my opinion. that man obviously had problems before he even touched dope.

personally i used to be a hardcore pothead. the only thing it did for me was make me very anti social, unmotivated, and flat broke from buying an 8th a day for 3 years straight. until i started dealing of course but thats a whole different story. now alcohol ive never had a serious problem with because im generally a great happy drunk so i don't have problems there. but, my father was and still is an alcoholic and i wouldn't wish that on any man or woman for that matter.

now even though i say they are equally harmful if i were to abuse either one. id definately abuse marijuana for the fact that i could quit when i wanted to.

ill say one thing ALL GOOD THINGS COME IN MODERATION.

:2 cents:

Im starting to think you should read more information before you call everyone who disagrees with you an idiot:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabi..._driving.shtml

Some of the most successful people in this biz are potheads. I'm pretty sure you are just talking shit for the hell of it. If that's not the case, then for the love of god, get a clue.