100....... :girl

franck you are an idiot, I'm not denying anything just stating the facts
marijuana has some negative affects but the positive greatly out weigh them.
alcohol really has no positive affect other than it makes you feel good for a brief period

franck what is the big beef that you have against pot/potheads?

Ok, 2nd and last reply to you.

"I'm not denying anything just stating the facts"

You did deny the facts. Go back to your first reply to me. The facts you called nonsense i pulled out of my ass.

"marijuana has some negative affects but the positive greatly out weigh them"

Once again i never said there are no positive effects. They greatly outweigh i HIGHLY doubt. But im not informed enough to say anything more about that.

"alcohol really has no positive affect other than it makes you feel good for a brief period"

Alcohol has some positive effects, so has smoking cigarettes so has anything you eat, drink, smoke, snort whatever. I bet i even can find some studies about positive effects of heroine. But like Com you dont want to hear anything other than that weed is good for you.

You deny facts. Real facts and you call me an idiot.

Man....

Ok, no point in discussing with you 2 potheads anymore. Its like talking to someone who claims grass is blue.

Oh i dont mind answering this. I have totally no beef with potheads. I had my share of weed as well when i was younger.
I have a beef with idiots who deny reality and only call facts facts when they agree with them. Like you and uber moron Com.

dude I am not denying anything as I have said in the past. I have smoked pot for years medicinally and have also done my fair share of boozing the title of the thread is "Is being a Stoner better than being an alcoholic" and the answer to that undenyably is YES
ok lets get on to your list of adverse affects
* Impaired perception - I havn't experienced any
* Diminished short-term memory - no
* Loss of concentration and coordination - I actually concentrate better when high
* Impaired judgement - no
* Increased risk of accidents - no I have been driving for almost 20 years without an accident (while high)
* Loss of motivation - I have not experienced this
* Diminished inhibitions - alcohol does this I havn't experienced it with pot
* Increased heart rate - it actually lowers your heartrate
* Anxiety, panic attacks, and paranoia - if you read the article that iposted youwill see that the opposite is true
* Hallucinations - never have I ever hallucinated on pot (we could always hope though I guess :) )
* Damage to the respiratory, reproductive, and immune systems - could, as with anything inhaled
* Increased risk of cancer - only certain cancers if smoked... if vapourized there is no risk of cancer
* Psychological dependency - maybe in some
I hope this helps you understand things a little better

I could reply that you just made it to the top. I thought Com was the biggest idiot in this thread but you just outdid him.
Wait, i just did.

You moron pothead. Denying official studies because you personally havent experienced some of these facts.

Oh god...

Only thing i can do is bump this one more time so more people can laugh at you and your amazing stupidity.

This seriously was my last reply to you. I rather talk to my cat since she is smarter than you.

Franck...you're a fucking european square who probably doesn't even smoke weed like we do. you think just cuz weed is legal where you live it is the best? lmao. come to the bay area...if you saw how purple and sticky and crystally the weed from the canibus clubs is YOU would shit YOUR pants before you could even hit the blunt. our lifestyles are most likely completely different so let's just leave it at that...

anyone who beats someone after drinking or smoking has some serious issues that can't be blamed on weed or alcohol.

Franck are you related to Harry Anslinger? because you seem to be as fucked up as he was. I'm not denying any official studies I am denying shit that you pulled out of your ass to make a point and a pretty lousy one at that.

you're big on the insult department, what is the problem? you have some kind of inferiority complex?small penis? what is it? did you not get enough attention from mommy? or maybe daddy gave a little to much attention to your anus...

I really pity you

true, but at the same token, i've never blacked out stoned.

Alcohol dosent make people angry it just reduces there Inhabitations so that beating people is acceptable to them. The anger is allways there alcohol just impairs them enough to justify it.

Cannabis abuse leads to laziness and lack of motivation and ambition

Most of the stoners I know are going nowhere in life and it will remain that way until they stop abusing cannabis.

Moderation is the key :2 cents:

Both are portrayed as a negative.I'm glad I can control my vices

You're all a bunch of pussies!

C'mon, admit it.. everybody likes to get drunk and/or high because it's fun and it makes us feel good. Who gives a real shit about the details of who takes what? Different body chemistries work with different intoxicants, and we all like to party!

I'm so surprised to see you all on the defensive about your choice of poison -- what is this... are you all concerned with being good little boys and girls so your daddies and mommies can give you a nice gold star? Am I on the right message board?

they are probably just lazy people, the pot has nothing to do with it. I know plenty of people that smoke pot that are not lazy and are successful.

to each his own though, all drugs/substances affect each individual differently so what may be of benifit to one may kill another

Man, you expressed exactly what I was thinking. :thumbsup

amen to that, there's nothing i find more pitiful than feeling like I have to tiptoe through the toulips

comparing alcohol to marijuana in they're harmful affects is very difficult. but ill attempt it..

marijuana isn't physically addictive although in some cases it can be mentally addictive.

alcohol is addictive and you WILL become dependent over a period of time if abused.

marijuana affects you mentally that are harmful such as lazy, unmotivated, and emotionless/indifferent.

alcohol is different instead of blinding emotions like weed it lets them all out which can be very harmful if your really intoxicated. it definately impairs your judgement 10 fold compared to marijuana.

marijuana hasn't been proved to cause cancer or any other health related problems to my knowledge. although i speak from experience it definately doesn't help the lungs any.

alcohol obviously damages the liver not sure what else it does..

OVERALL i believe they are equally harmful. they are harmful in completely different ways a lot less obvious when it comes to marijuana.

but when i hear stories like one earlier in this thread about someones mother getting beat because the father smoked weed is horse shit in my opinion. that man obviously had problems before he even touched dope.

personally i used to be a hardcore pothead. the only thing it did for me was make me very anti social, unmotivated, and flat broke from buying an 8th a day for 3 years straight. until i started dealing of course but thats a whole different story. now alcohol ive never had a serious problem with because im generally a great happy drunk so i don't have problems there. but, my father was and still is an alcoholic and i wouldn't wish that on any man or woman for that matter.

now even though i say they are equally harmful if i were to abuse either one. id definately abuse marijuana for the fact that i could quit when i wanted to.

ill say one thing ALL GOOD THINGS COME IN MODERATION.

:2 cents:

Im starting to think you should read more information before you call everyone who disagrees with you an idiot:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabi..._driving.shtml

Some of the most successful people in this biz are potheads. I'm pretty sure you are just talking shit for the hell of it. If that's not the case, then for the love of god, get a clue.

Pothead, exactly what part of these proven facts i posted you dont agree with?

Oh wait, some succesful people smoke pot so those facts are complete bullshit.
DOH silly silly me.

You know what's funny? All these militant pot-haters would finally chill out and understand what the stoners are talking about if only they'd smoke a joint! But how likely is that to happen?!? I guess the price of wisdom and understanding is just a little too "high" for them to pay!

ROFL at the irony!!!!

Franck is just a cranky old fart that can't tell a hole in the ground from his ass...don't mind him he's a little misguided it's not completely his fault

This made me laugh... gotta agree with that

1 24 a day = 30 bucks
5 grams a day = 30 bucks

Excuse me but no matter what you say, somebody that smokes all day, is definitly handicapped by weed.

Smoking once a week is probably better then getting drunk once a week or eating Mcdonalds thought...

Yeah no shit...and this thread confirms it 100%

http://www.sixthseal.com/images/the_weed_shred.jpg

o yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :pimp

I have to disagree

HAHAHA franck i have come to the conclusion that you watch too much tv. someone has obviously brainwashed you.

"Marijuana is not always what it seems. Marijuana can be laced with other dangerous drugs without your knowledge. "Blunts"--hollowed-out cigars filled with marijuana--sometimes have substances such as crack cocaine, PCP, or embalming fluid added."

HAHAHA jesus franck you can't be that uneducated... do you have any street smarts yo? out of all the years ive been smoking weed not once have i bought marijuana pre-rolled in a blunt or laced with anything. bro please don't speak on subjects you obviously have no experience with. jesus christ and you come in here calling people idiots.....

if anyone needs drug treatment for marijuana i feel really sorry for them because thats rather pathetic. also you know where those stats come from? you need to think a bit. only reason there were so many people going in for drug treatment was because when they got caught with a dime bag the court sentenced them to drug treatment you dumb fuck. nobody admits themselves into treatment for marijuana haha..

killing your ammune system by smoking marijuana? bro i haven't had to visit a hospital in 10 years for any illness and ive been smoking as long.

affecting self-control like what eating habits? hahaha my god where do you pull this shit up?

the only thing id have to even remotely agree with is long term use can cause mental illness because ive seen that happen. anxiousness, paranoia, depression can all come from smoking.

but honestly man if you don't speak from experience then the only thing your spewing is 2nd hand propaganda bullshit you read somewhere on the internet.

i agree 100% :thumbsup

all this thread confirms is that you are 100% ignorant :321GFY

Do you think i made that up. Its one of the facts i found on official health sites.
No i never had this happen to me. And chances of this happening are very small.
Can it happen and does it happen, yes i bet it does.

Anyway, ANY of the facts i copied and pasted, tell me they arent true. You only pick out a kinda lame one which has very little to with this topic.
And then you call me brainwashed. Another pothead idiotic argument.

Damn, talking to pothead morons is such a waste of time. They live in their ignorant weed fantasy world and will deny anything they simply dont like.

They say things like i can drive a car while being stoned so its bullshit that its dangerous.
And i know succesful people who smoke everyday so those PROVEN FACTS arent true. How the fuck can you discuss this topic with such idiotic arguments?

ignorance is bliss I here...could you elaborate on this for us please

look im not going to call you an idiot because you are obviously misinformed. but telling me you found this on a health site automatically gives it credibility is horseshit. if you didn't know marijuana is illegal pretty much in every country in the world of course there are going to be such reports and studies skewed to fit they're ideals and laws.

im speaking from experience and ill tell you right now more then half of that stuff you posted is complete bullshit. if its not bullshit then it has been skewed to make it look a whole lot worse then it actually is.

for instance like i said in my last post. where they say in that study that some 200,000 smokers have had treatment related to marijuana. think about it for a second. they get stats like these because they are the ones sending people to treatment. when you get caught with a sack of weed they write you a fine or throw you in jail. then they give you a court date. you show up to court and get jail time reduced by entering drug treatment. so of course the numbers are going to be high who wants to sit in jail for a month for having a half oz. in your pocket?

dude use some common sense and logic. most of the argument you have posted was not from your experience but from a biased statistical report you found on the internet. look im not going to beat a dead horse here but man just think about what i said. im not your typical pothead just giving my biased view on the subject im just telling you straight up. if you read my first post you will see that. :2 cents: :thumbsup

Did you look over the VERY nicely sourced documents over at erowid regarding marijuana myths and misconceptions Battus?

i cant believe you all got suckered in by frankcs trolling

Alcohol is infinitely more damaging/toxic/lethal to the human body than cannabis

I base what I say on my own personal experiences, I'm not sure what a weed fantasy is but it sounds pretty cool.

oh and Franck I have been driving for close to 20 years with no accidents according to you it is very dangerous to drive while stoned.

Where exactly do you get your facts? I'm quite interested to know

hm
 

definately smoking, it's more social, you don't do half the stupid shit you do on alcohol, can't kill yourself on marijuana, still able to drive (except at ridiculous doses), among other things. pot also cures alot of shit (got rid of my cravings for cigarettes), helps you sleep (actual sleep, alcohol sleep is like not sleeping at all), mellows you out... pretty bad ass
plus it's euphoric

alcohol just makes you too stupid to realize you're not enjoying yourself

not necesarily a bad thing... ha

Everyone was too stoned to realize it.

hhahah nice

Most people who don't smoke don't understand. Pot doesn't cause you to hallucinate and pot doesn't fully encompass you unless you let it. Pot isn't addictive, and you'd probably be surprised at the number of regular smokers (for varying reasons) that are fully functional members in society. It's not uncommon for me to see people smoking 2-3 bowls of dank cryppe before work, and still finding just as much motivation to go as anyone else.

And if he's getting his information from an ANTI drug site, and can't realize and interpret the obvious bias in information from such a source, maybe he's the one living in his own little fantasy world. :2 cents:

Results from driving simulator and closed-course tests show that THC in single inhaled doses up to about 250 mcg / kg has relatively minor effects on driving performance, certainly less than blood alcohol concentrations (BAC's) in the range of 0.08-0.10 g-%

from some studies Conducted by Institute for Human Psychopharmacology University of Limburg Abstract 2A-6211 LS Maastricht -- Netherlands
Sponsoring Agency: U.S. Department of Transportation National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

Its probably better to be a stoner in all honesty but alcohol is better IMO

We know that alcohol in moderation is good for you , People that drink 2 to 3 classes of red wine daily life longer than those who dont,
Can any show that smoking pot in moderation has benifits for health?