Majority Americans Reject Evolution

[TheMaster]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in965223.shtml

only 15% of Americans seem to believe in evolution, so my question as a European: What is wrong with the majority of your country men?

Most Americans that travel to Europe seem to be okay, I can't believe that the rest of the country has turned their backs to the last 200 years of scientific research. I mean are you guys really our religieus fundamentalist cousins?

In my home country, Belgium, 5% of the people go to search and everyone is asking themselves, who are those 5%
I now live in Prague, Czech Republic, where 90% is flat out atheist or agnost, so this all seems to be so fundamentalist like say Saudi-Arabian / Iranian / Taliban.

Will the USA be renamed to US of AJ (United States of America for Jesus) soon?

or just Jesusland?

Sorry, but was very shocked by this

[dig420]

How do you think a clown like Bush got elected?

We're getting stupider every day.

The states that vote republican are the states with the lowest IQ
The states that vote republican are mostly the states that supported slavery

Most americans are just plain... stupid

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by TheMaster

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in965223.shtml

only 15% of Americans seem to believe in evolution, so my question as a European: What is wrong with the majority of your country men?

Most Americans that travel to Europe seem to be okay, I can't believe that the rest of the country has turned their backs to the last 200 years of scientific research. I mean are you guys really our religieus fundamentalist cousins?

In my home country, Belgium, 5% of the people go to search and everyone is asking themselves, who are those 5%
I now live in Prague, Czech Republic, where 90% is flat out atheist or agnost, so this all seems to be so fundamentalist like say Saudi-Arabian / Iranian / Taliban.

Will the USA be renamed to US of AJ (United States of America for Jesus) soon?

or just Jesusland?

Sorry, but was very shocked by this

sorry... that poll is absolute bullshit. evolution is taught in schools... not creationism. most people feel the opposite imho.

[BlueQuartz]

Originally Posted by TheMaster

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in965223.shtml

only 15% of Americans seem to believe in evolution, so my question as a European: What is wrong with the majority of your country men?

Most Americans that travel to Europe seem to be okay, I can't believe that the rest of the country has turned their backs to the last 200 years of scientific research. I mean are you guys really our religieus fundamentalist cousins?

In my home country, Belgium, 5% of the people go to search and everyone is asking themselves, who are those 5%
I now live in Prague, Czech Republic, where 90% is flat out atheist or agnost, so this all seems to be so fundamentalist like say Saudi-Arabian / Iranian / Taliban.

Will the USA be renamed to US of AJ (United States of America for Jesus) soon?

or just Jesusland?

Sorry, but was very shocked by this

that cant be right - how could only 15% believe in evolution?

surely the other 85% dont think the earth was formed by someone with a magic wand do they?

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

sorry... that poll is absolute bullshit. evolution is taught in schools... not creationism. most people feel the opposite imho.

I agree with this.

[TheMaster]

full CBS poll:

God created humans in present form 51%
Humans evolved, God guided the process 30%
Humans evolved, God did not guide process 15%

so, that's only 15% who really believe in Darwinism

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in965223.shtml

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by TheMaster

only 15% of Americans seem to believe in evolution, so my question as a European: What is wrong with the majority of your country men?

They haven't reached the level where they can believe in evolution. They can't believe in it if it hasn't happened to them.

[Azlord]

Not me my friend. 100% evolution here.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by TheMaster

full CBS poll:

God created humans in present form 51%
Humans evolved, God guided the process 30%
Humans evolved, God did not guide process 15%

so, that's only 15% who really believe in Darwinism

why aren't people up in arms that ALL public schools teach their kids the opposite? there is just no way in hell this poll can be accurate.

the poll suggests that a bunch of whacko fucktards that believe in god and creationism dont care even though they find a way to try to push their morality and beliefs into every other aspect of our lives.. they somehow over looked the most obvious... that being what THEIR OWN children are taught in school.

would seem to me that if only 15% really believed in evolution, then it would not be taught in schools as fact.

[Mike Okitch]

[Xplicit]

The big thing in America these days is "I believe in a creator but not the bible".

This poll reflects that.... if you actually READ the article it does not say that the majority of americans believe in jesus or the bible, just not evolution.

[Paul Waters]

Originally Posted by dig420

How do you think a clown like Bush got elected?

[TheMaster]

Originally Posted by Azlord

Not me my friend. 100% evolution here.

I mean getting more and more afraid for time where some of those born again wackjobs think they should have a crusade against that wicked old continent

because it seems to their beliefs that after the apocalyps, when millions of people will ascent to heaven, the power will again go to Europe, which by that time will be ruled by the anti-christ

[TheMaster]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

would seem to me that if only 15% really believed in evolution, then it would not be taught in schools as fact.

yeah, but never before have the born again christians been so powerful, so that might change soon

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

sorry... that poll is absolute bullshit. evolution is taught in schools... not creationism. most people feel the opposite imho.

exactly.. I don't know anyone I can think of that doesn't believe in evolution. BS poll.. was probably hijacked by a bunch of religious nut jobs.

[TheMaster]

Originally Posted by Xplicit

This poll reflects that.... if you actually READ the article it does not say that the majority of americans believe in jesus or the bible, just not evolution.

and this doesn't frighten you?

[JDog]

Plus it would all matter on where the poll was taken too. If they go to a bible thumping area, yea you're gonna have a lot more bible believing idiots. I mean, people who don't believe in evolution, just don't take a hard look around. I'm 100% atheist and believe in a evolution since I first study it. To me religion is for the weak minded, and the ones that need to believe there is something after death.

[Doctor Dre]

That's more like 45 % ... including 30 % christians who beleive in science ...

There is no way to proove where it really started ... so people still beleive in god ;) and in evolution too...

[BlueQuartz]

Originally Posted by Mike Okitch

thats a disgrace

get Darwins genius name out of the stupid fuckin christian fish

[Nookster]

I believe in evolution to the fullest. Evolution doesn't "dissprove" or deny the existence of God, but goes on to show that God's "master plan" is way more complex than anyone could ever imagine. You go God. lol

[BlueQuartz]

Originally Posted by JDog

Plus it would all matter on where the poll was taken too. If they go to a bible thumping area, yea you're gonna have a lot more bible believing idiots. I mean, people who don't believe in evolution, just don't take a hard look around. I'm 100% atheist and believe in a evolution since I first study it. To me religion is for the weak minded, and the ones that need to believe there is something after death.

oh hell yeah!!

[Webby]

Originally Posted by TheMaster

Majority Americans Reject Evolution

Serious, you think anyone really cares what the majority of "Americans" think? (I assume you mean "US citizens"?)

The US is a country full of "issues" - it's a preoccupation. It just a matter of getting over it and moving on to bigger stuff than the color of toilet paper.

There are far more relevant problems world wide than US "issues".

[pornmonger]

If you believe in evolution, you believe that spiders will evolve into cats, cats will evolve into horses, and monkeys will evolve into humans.

Evolution does exist only in species to better survive change not change into a different species. With the chopping of the Amazon, many chimps are being forced out of their habitat. If evolution was truly what it is, those chimps would evolve into humans to survive their habitat being destroyed. But..THEY DON'T!!!

[WarChild]

Chimps are still having babies, and yet none are having human babies. I wonder why that is? Things that make you go "hmmmm".

[Webby]

Originally Posted by pornmonger

With the chopping of the Amazon, many chimps are being forced out of their habitat. If evolution was truly what it is, those chimps would evolve into humans to survive their habitat being destroyed. But..THEY DON'T!!!

Strong case ya got there pornmonger! Wonder if the chimps can "evolve" quicker than the time it takes to chop down some trees?

Now.. how about thinking about the effects of chopping down the Amazon instead of pondering over the transformation of monkeys into humans?

[TheMaster]

Originally Posted by Webby

Serious, you think anyone really cares what the majority of "Americans" think? (I assume you mean "US citizens"?)

The US is a country full of "issues" - it's a preoccupation. It just a matter of getting over it and moving on to bigger stuff than the color of toilet paper.

There are far more relevant problems world wide than US "issues".

I would love nothing more, but bullshit that starts in the US has the tendency to spread over the globe like a plague

eg: USC 2257 I mean the latest version is such a bullshit, but still they reserve the right to arrest me if I put foot on US soil, if I don't follow their rules

but you wrote it best: USC 2257 - "We Legislate To Offer Nothing For The Protection Of Children But Abuse Models Instead..."

ALSO the plague called evagelic christians, have become much more stronger in Europe too, because of their rise in the USA, it's getting ugly in Hungary & Slovakia, their numbers are rising and they talk the same bullshit as their US collegues, same for Guatemala, there they ask all the believers 10% of their wage, which then goes into advertisement for them, so that's why Guatemala is dropping their catholicism and is becoming evangelical/born again
they don't start in rich cities or regions, they start in poor regions and built their way up from there
look what happened to the US

[Webby]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Chimps are still having babies, and yet none are having human babies. I wonder why that is? Things that make you go "hmmmm".

They don't have human babes WarChild?

"Hmmmmm" A bout of bestiality may help...







PS
I smell a load of cynicism

[Paul Waters]

Originally Posted by pornmonger

If you believe in evolution, you believe that spiders will evolve into cats, cats will evolve into horses, and monkeys will evolve into humans.

Sounds like you studied evolution at some fundie, evangelical college.

[dig420]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Chimps are still having babies, and yet none are having human babies. I wonder why that is? Things that make you go "hmmmm".

What makes me go hmmm is the fact that you went to an American public school and yet, you're so ignorant.

Evolution doesn't work that way. We evolved from a common ancestor shared with primates. It's not like a monkey just suddenly had a human baby LOL

No wonder you're a conservative.

[dig420]

unless you're being sarcastic, in which case just direct that last post at pornmonger instead, who obviously really IS that stupid.

[Walrus]

The Master,

Take a look at this really interesting article about Charles Darwin's great great grandson. I read that in the paper a few weeks ago, and was reminded about it from your post.

Can you imagine being Charles Darwin's great great grandson and sitting through those anti-evolution lectures?

- Walrus

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by dig420

What makes me go hmmm is the fact that you went to an American public school and yet, you're so ignorant.

I've said it numerous times, I'm Canadian. I never once went to an American school. I'm sorry if holding information in your head for longer than a few minutes is difficult for you. Maybe try laying off the weed?

Evolution doesn't work that way. We evolved from a common ancestor shared with primates. It's not like a monkey just suddenly had a human baby LOL

Gee, you think? Sarcasm, ever heard of it?

No wonder you're a conservative.

I don't believe in god and I've said it several times. Your labels will never fit me, no matter how much you might like them to.

[dig420]

Originally Posted by dig420

unless you're being sarcastic, in which case just direct that last post at pornmonger instead, who obviously really IS that stupid.

...8char

[Nathan]

pornmonger, you scare me man.. and warchild, I hope this was sarcasm on your part...

pornmonger, I suggest you do not talk about things you clearly do not even begin to understand...

Also, as far as I have heard in the past, most of the americans do beleive in evolution, but many many many of them do not think it just happened out of pure coincidence, they think that some higher power started it. A higher power being whatever you really want it to mean.

Don't forget, our galaxy is really nothing different than a marble some alien kid keeps playing with.. MiB ;)

Science is a tricky thing, and things are always hard to beleive if they are not provable. And evolution can NOT be proven. Thats a fact, the reason for this simply is that it TAKES too long. I mean, please, we had evolution theories for about 150 years now, it takes a few million years for the human to fully evolve.. its simply impossible to prove this over a such short time period.

There are hints that natural selection is the only logical answer to all these things, but there also are a few gaps in the theory and a few unexplained things. I can understand that many people can not imagine that at some point, due to certain molecules simply existing and forming itself, single celled organisms started to appear which then mutated and eventually we popped up People simply also have to admit that it is kinda weird that chimps and humans have 99.4% _EXACT_ matching DNA sequences. Coincidence? Not really.. but OBVIOUSLY a chimp will not suddenly get a mutated baby that looks just like a damn human... mutations happen in tiny amounts, a few ten or maybe hundred changes in DNA sequences which control the actual general species.

BTW, medicin also makes witnessing evolution hard, because we simply fix the mutations that happen or do not let natural selection take its cause.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by TheMaster

I would love nothing more, but bullshit that starts in the US has the tendency to spread over the globe like a plague

eg: USC 2257 I mean the latest version is such a bullshit, but still they reserve the right to arrest me if I put foot on US soil, if I don't follow their rules

Hear ya!

Only my worth - bottom line US folks are no different to anyone else. But, in a population that is only around four times that of eg the UK, there are some very extreme groups. Seriously doubt that these people reflect the general views of the US population.

Sure.. agree there is an incredible arrogance within some of these groups that they know what is best for everyone else, both inside and outside US territory. Hence we got, (ingoring any validity or otherwise), evangenical groups spreading their version of the "word", others pontificating on the politics of other nations, (while US politics remains a major source of division within that country) and a federal government bent on "control" and using external threats and promises "we will defend you" as a solution (keeping it simplified with silly graphics like the "terrorist alert" system).

On religous fevor.. just look at the US Bible Belt. There is a "church" on every street corner and a pattern of "we don't like the pastor this week" - so let's set up yet another "church". It's just folks "playing" with what they want to see as their brand of religon. Kinda sad.

Apart from the old Soviet countries and perhaps, currently China - there are no western nations so hell bent on control of both their own citizens as the US - coupled with an interest in messing in the affairs of other nations. It's a dangeous cocktail and, as we have seen, has rebounding effects.

The US has massive problems in several areas, - with a percentage of world population of about 5% and a consuming culture at around 25%, borrowings on a massive scale (eg 2-4 billion/day from Bank of China alone), a reduced manufacturing capability etc - this is not a sustainable scenario. The problem list is endless - from education to health to poverty. You ever heard of the supposed "richest" country in the world not being able to effectively tend to the needs of it's own people in a natural disaster? Even India and Pakistan responded quicker, tho that problem continues.

No country is without their problems and bullshit - it's everwhere. The US is just one, and it's still a young country and immature as hell. Other nations went thru the same process in their own ways decades/centuries ago and, - sometimes, - have learned from past experiences.

There is a book (can't remember the exact title), but it does say a lot in the title alone - "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy". The US is exactly that - a "bought democracy"

[Dirty Dane]

Bush doesnt believe in evolution, but he's afraid of mutated birdflu and pandemic. Thats quite ironic isnt it?

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Bush doesnt believe in evolution, but he's afraid of mutated birdflu and pandemic. Thats quite ironic isnt it?

When you are a "reformed" alcoholic/druggie with "beliefs" and God sitting on your right shoulder - Georgie need not fear

A weekend at Camp David with Condi can straighten out his thoughts on evolution

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Chimps are still having babies, and yet none are having human babies. I wonder why that is? Things that make you go "hmmmm".

Because nobody here fucked the chimps

What about goats .. i hear that a few here fuck them???

On Topic: it's sad to see the regression of the USA.

[gornyhuy]

This is very hard to believe.

[pornmonger]

I am not a strong christian or religious but based upon the theory of evolution, the monkeys today will turn into humans in several million years.. Several million years from now, humans will turn into another species. Maybe human will be able to fly.

[dig420]

NO they WON'T!! sheeeesh.. just stop voting ok?

mutations are random, only 1 out of several million actually make an organism more fit to survive. The notion that a given species are going to develop sound enough mutations to become adaptations into a photocopy of a currently existing species is ridiculous.

I liked it better when educated people ie liberals ruled this country.

[TheMaster]

Originally Posted by Walrus

The Master,

Take a look at this really interesting article about Charles Darwin's great great grandson. I read that in the paper a few weeks ago, and was reminded about it from your post.

Can you imagine being Charles Darwin's great great grandson and sitting through those anti-evolution lectures?

- Walrus

thanks Walrus, start reading it now

[TheMaster]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Don't forget, our galaxy is really nothing different than a marble some alien kid keeps playing with.. MiB ;).

often wondered about that, now that's something I can believe in

Originally Posted by Nathan

Science is a tricky thing, and things are always hard to beleive if they are not provable. And evolution can NOT be proven. Thats a fact, the reason for this simply is that it TAKES too long. I mean, please, we had evolution theories for about 150 years now, it takes a few million years for the human to fully evolve.. its simply impossible to prove this over a such short time period.

There are hints that natural selection is the only logical answer to all these things, but there also are a few gaps in the theory and a few unexplained things. I can understand that many people can not imagine that at some point, due to certain molecules simply existing and forming itself, single celled organisms started to appear which then mutated and eventually we popped up People simply also have to admit that it is kinda weird that chimps and humans have 99.4% _EXACT_ matching DNA sequences. Coincidence? Not really.. but OBVIOUSLY a chimp will not suddenly get a mutated baby that looks just like a damn human... mutations happen in tiny amounts, a few ten or maybe hundred changes in DNA sequences which control the actual general species.

BTW, medicin also makes witnessing evolution hard, because we simply fix the mutations that happen or do not let natural selection take its cause.

good, intelligent answer

what bothers me about this intelligent design or creationism, is that they don't have to give 1 shred of evidence, but they still call the truth

last week, there was this little report about intelligent design, and you had a US biology teacher explaining to his pupils, that "animals have those, not because of camouflage, but because got made them that way, so humans can enjoy the pretty colors"

OR

"lions don't have claws for hunting, they got them, while still in Eden, to be able to climb trees"

I mean jesus christ, that's a science teacher say this to 5 year olds

[wyldblyss]

Originally Posted by pornmonger

If you believe in evolution, you believe that spiders will evolve into cats, cats will evolve into horses, and monkeys will evolve into humans.

Evolution does exist only in species to better survive change not change into a different species. With the chopping of the Amazon, many chimps are being forced out of their habitat. If evolution was truly what it is, those chimps would evolve into humans to survive their habitat being destroyed. But..THEY DON'T!!!

You obviously did not pay attention in science class. Nothing evolves in a matter of weeks, months or years. Your post just goes to show how lacking the educational system is.

[amalekite]

There is still absolutely NO PROOF of macro-evolution... Man from APe etc

WHere's the missing link?... Find that and then the theory turns into fact... Right now it's just two sides fighting each other over dogma.. not science

[Drake]

Religion has no place in science but unfortunately it's being pushed:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051104/...NlYwN5bmNhdA--

Intelligent design, or ID, proponents have also been active in pressing for the changes in Kansas, but school board members there stopped short of including intelligent design ideas in the state standards.

"ID is making enormous progress," said John Calvert, a Kansas City lawyer and ID proponent. "Is it going to happen overnight? No. Is it going to happen? Yes."

This is a shame, however, questioning the validity of some of the tenets of evolutionary theory, should be encouraged more. This doesn't mean that evolution should or needs to be replaced with a non-scientific belief such as ID or God.

It really does make one wonder why is it that America is still so deeply religious while the rest of the Western world isn't (anybody have theories as to why?). Evolution is taught here just the same as elsewhere.

[TheMaster]

Originally Posted by Mike33

Religion has no place in science but unfortunately it's being pushed:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051104/...NlYwN5bmNhdA--



This is a shame, however, questioning the validity of some of the tenets of evolutionary theory, should be encouraged more. This doesn't mean that evolution should or needs to be replaced with a non-scientific belief such as ID or God.

It really does make one wonder why is it that America is still so deeply religious while the rest of the Western world isn't (anybody have theories as to why?). Evolution is taught here just the same as elsewhere.

good question, in a way it defies all logics

most of the Western world has been trying to get away from the influence of religion in public life, religion held europe in a stranglehold for over 1200 year

or maybe it's because some americans, this idiot on this board, who think people fled to America 200 years ago to escape the communists
Marx hadn't even written his book
also Marx never wrote about communism, he wrote about capitalism and what would happen if it didn't change, you know it did happen and it will happen again, it we keep promoting this wild west capitalism

[lchaim]

WOW!


That's depressing to see such high numbers on PURE creationism, I'm more of a fan of a more widely open minded possibility in the middle.


I'm in shock from seeing that poll.


:/

[PixeLs]

How about those who don't care at all; what percent do they take?