justsexxx

Thanks to the USA, and some other countries, that don't follow the Kyoto agreement, the weather is changing.

Normally it's like 5 degrees or so. However, today it was 21-22 degrees CELSIUS. I like sunny weather. So thank you. Overall it was the warmest day in 100 years or so...

Andre

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Theo

22 end of october in NL? now that's indeed crazy

Libertine

Warmest weekend for this time of year ever. We don't know if humanity is the cause of global warming though, those things have changed throughout history.

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Gasper

yeah .. these last days were crazy almost november and 22 C

hope there will be any snow this your so i can go skiing

smack

there are some pretty compelling scientific studies siting the amount of Carbon Dioxide we put into the atmosphere as a catalyst for enviromental change.

to match the amount of co2 humanity places into the atmosphere each day, it would take 7 volcanoes, the size of Mt. St. Helens erupting round the clock for an entire year.

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crockett

Not that I disagree with the Kyoto agreement but I don't think humans are the main cause for global warming. We may be part of the cause but not the main cause.

Look to the ice ages and so on, it's clear the earth's temperature changes over the course of history. Look into the earth's magnetic fields and the fact that the Earth's polarity is currently in the middle of reversing.

IMO that is probably a more likely the cause for the recent global temperature changes than pollution. Of course I don't agree with Bush's stance on pollution and I really think factories around the world should be forced to clean up their acts. However, I still personally don't think we are the main cause to global warming.

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Earth polarity reversing?

Wut?

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crockett

yea google it.. north and south poles are reversing in polarity

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tony286

There is no global warming its in your mind, I want to slap them when they say that lol

sltr

only 5 years in office and bushie has changed the temp in the netherlands by 16+ degrees!

tony286

I watch a show on that very scary shit.

NickPapageorgio

lol...I know...I mean...don't get me wrong...I hate the guy and all he stands for...but DAMN!!!

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north pole becomes south pole

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Alex

Thats right, Bush obviously passed the "lets change the temperature in the netherlands" bill.

I as an American apologize.


You Fucking Idiot

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subVERSION

It's been happening for years. A bit more major now-a-days.

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here's a quick fact:::

Some current estimates indicate that if successfully and completely implemented, the Kyoto Protocol is predicted to reduce the average global rise in temperature by somewhere between 0.02°C and 0.28°C by the year 2050 (source: Nature, October 2003), compared to the increase of 1.4°C to 5.8°C between 1990 and 2100 predicted by the IPCC [2]. Because of this many critics and environmentalists question the value of the Kyoto Protocol should required modifications fail to produce deeper cuts in the future.

Libertine

Currently, on this point, scientists disagree on the extent of human influence of the climate. In fact, they even disagree on what is happening with the climate. There are a lot of compelling scientific studies on the matter, which unfortunately contradict eachother. Right now, the balance is slowly shifting towards the theory that human activity is indeed influencing the climate, but how strongly is still a point of debate.

Doing something about it might sound like a good idea, but the truth is that the economic damage of acting too quickly could prove to be as devastating as a shift in climate would be. Changes need to be made, yes, but they will need to be implemented gradually.

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NickPapageorgio

People freak out too much...

...here's a little newsflash for any who haven't already done the deductions in their own head...

...the earth has been here a long long time...it's seen some pretty drastic changes...it's had giant meteors smash into it's surface...it's been frozen...it's been burned...and guess what...

...it'll always find a way to take care of itself...

...nothing you can do about that...it's the way she works...

...global warming is bullshit...the atmosphere changes...that's just how things are and have always been.

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TheMob

Well, that's the point. By not signing the kyoto protocol - he did.

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Alex

Quit at life now.

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justsexxx

It was a joke. Some people don't understand that

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crockett

yea but people have only been here a mear min or two in the life span of this planet and look how much of an effect we have had upon it. One thing is for certain global warming or not, people really need to get their act together and take care of our planet.

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sltr

u are aware that it was the Clinton Administration that never submitted the protocol for ratification.

NickPapageorgio

Like I said...the planet will take care of itself. Who's to say that global warming isn't an earth "defense" mechanism designed to rid itself of it's...shall we say..."Parasites"?

The earth don't need your help bro...I promise.

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right back at cha!

crockett

yea according to DNA testing we were almost wiped out at one point in history.

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I agree with GW's idea!

Fuck everyone, get what you can now and fuck everyone else.

Every decision you make should depend on how much money you stand to gain.

Who cares if it is fair, if it makes sense or if people die. MAKE MONEY NOW!!!

smack

i think the transition could have a minimal impact on industry if the government was willing to get behind it in a big way. just for example (even though i am not a big supporter of corporate tax cuts and subsidies), they could use tax cuts and subsidies to help ease the economic repercussions of this.

even some simple steps like bio diesel being used for large transport operations like international shipping, and nationwide trucking could hlep signifigantly.

what i am starting to worry is that it is already to late. the amounts of heavy metals in our oceans are going to start killing off marine life on a large scale very soon.

and obviously if our oceans die, so do we.

it's a tenous thing, but i think with the right governmental support, we could move relatively quickly on this and only do minor disruption to the economic structure.

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I AGREE!!!

If we try to do something, we might not make as much money as we could otherwise. Let's take our time and make sure we don't phase out our money makers too quickly. Some of us have too much invested in certain industries! We need time to protect our investments.

Fuck the earth!

Screw you and screw the planet - MAKE MONEY NOW!!!

Libertine

The economic damage from implementing very large changes too quickly would kill hundreds of thousands fairly directly, and the political instability it would cause could kill many millions.

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I AGREE!

At the last KKK meeting, they passed out fliers that said this exact same thing!


Look, I don't doubt that you believe what you post. I just doubt that what you believe is sane. Sorry nutty.

Libertine

Minor disruption is unlikely, even if we take things slowly. The disruption caused will be huge, simply because the changes that need to be made are huge. Tax cuts and subsidies to help business adapt are absolutely necessary, you are right about that, but the many trillions of dollars it will cost to change our ecological strategies will be a huge burden to bear even for the richest governments.

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Libertine

You have zero arguments, and therefore are a useless troll. Just fuck off, will ya?

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Dear Nutty Nut Job,

So sorry to hear you are crazy. I hope they can help you at the hospital.

Thanks for posting. You are always good for a laugh!

See you later you crazy nut!


P.S. - DO NOT post about things of which you are unfamiliar. Thanks.

Libertine

Not only are you an ignorant troll without any arguments, your insults belong in elementary school. Not worth my time.

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smack

i really believe that with the level of technology that we have we could minimize the impact greatly. while it would certainly be a burden for the government, i think it would be a worthwhile one, and something that could easily be funded if pork projects were cut, and obviously if we had never entered this silly war.

regardless of the cost to government it is definately something we need to pursue post haste. it is our lives that hang in the balance.

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Michaelious

well at least everyone will have cool tans

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smack

instead of ridiculing him, why not post a counter point. you are the one coming off as uninformed.

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You is funny dummy!

When is the next "crazy" meeting?

Like you, my brain doesn't work and I need to learn what to think next.

Thanks you crazy nutjob.

Hey You . . . I Know You!

I have four cents for you - anybody seriously debating this is a retard. Go back to your crayons and leave the ridiculing to me you uninformed spaz.

chshkt

The Flu Pandemic

Stuart Wilde

October 2005



I wrote a book in 2001 called God?s Gladiators, which you might consider stealing from the library if you haven?t read it already. It?s a bit of a survival manual and it helps to understand things in a greater context. The gladiators are protectors and their time is now. You might need them and then again you might not, I can?t say exactly.

Anyway, in that book I mentioned a global flu pandemic for 2005, and the H5N1 avian flu crisis seems to be arriving more or less on time. As you probably know it?s a phony, the real pandemic will come in under the guise of an avian flu mutation. We will be told that avian flu has miraculously changed into the real McCoy, threatening humans. It?s a form of genetic engineering, they don?t want you and me and a few million others hanging around cluttering up the joint, anymore.

You have heard of global warming, well this is global cooling, billions of BTU of body heat will suddenly cease and we?ll all save on air conditioning, ozone holes and toxic methane floating into the upper atmosphere. As you probably also know the whole global warming scare is a crock. Methane from animals and humans causes global warming not cars. Of course, there are entire gaggles of climate scientists who know this but how can they tell the world we are killing the planet by farting. Of course, animals do the major farting damage but humans fart on average twelve times a day so that?s seventy-two billion farts added to god knows how many animal farts and all of that travels upwards into the stratosphere; farts in bed being an exception.



It?s the methane in the upper atmosphere that causes global warming, and so the New World Order decided some years ago that getting rid of humans en masse might help with long-term survival of the elite. As an idea it might work. There is an added benefit that I mentioned before, the more old people that die the less stress on the health care system and pension funds that are already broke will get a bit of respite as well.

A global pandemic manufactured in a laboratory is just what Dr. Josef Mengele would have ordered. It might work brilliantly. The problem is you and I may not be around to benefit from the devilish master plan. Still never mind. If all the ducks die I?m happy to go with them. I am very fond of ducks I like the way they dive into the water and disappear only to bob up elsewhere.

Sniff, sniff?quack, quack.

Love, love, and
heads down and bums up.


© Stuart Wilde 2005
www.stuartwilde.com



and some very interesting info for the "flu" on http://www.brojon.org/frontpage/murdermedicine1.html

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Libertine

One estimate of the costs of bringing global warming to an end I read a while ago says it would cost about $15 trillion. I couldn't find that one online, though, but here is an estimate that says it would cost $18 trillion - almost half the global GDP for a year. Whatever the costs, they will be high.

The real problem, however, is the way the costs will be distributed. Simply put, the rich west might be able to invest heavily enough in high-end technology to reduce emissions, but for emerging economies it would be disastrous - such costs would destroy the edge they have over the west right now, and bring entire sectors of business to a halt.

If both emerging economies and more modern economies implement the changes needed to bring global warming to a halt, emerging economies will lose out because it will largely destroy the low tech-low cost advantage they have right now and force them to implement costly high-tech solutions.

If modern, western economies implement those changes unilaterally, they will destroy their own economies and cause no lasting effect because business will move to more lenient countries.

The only real option would be for the western countries to subsidy the rest of the world as well as domestic businesses. However, this would have such a huge impact on finances that the effects would last for decades to come, possibly destroying the current economic balance in the process. It would require enormous sacrifices in health care, education, social programs, infrastructure - everything. And tax hikes to go with that.

Now, even if it would be worth it in the end, it is very questionable if people are willing to make the sacrifices necessary for this to happen. And remember, in the end it's the voters who count.

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chshkt

How $204,579,916,321 would have helped to the planet?
And HOW they have helped against the terrorism?

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chshkt

You go troll!

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Alex

Crack much?

The current number is
$204,490,960,893

And going up. Where did you get that number?

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justsexxx

$204,573,705,729 now. How is that possible?

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justsexxx

Funny.... $204,573,705,729 for me....Looks like we found out it's not working like it should

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chshkt

i see it as $204,583,093,730 now and counting

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I am 100% sure that GW did this.

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