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Yea right!

So over a thousand years of history of people and goverments attempting to do exactly this hasn't fixed the problem. But America with all it's might can be even tougher and fix this.

Get over yourself.
The way to get rid of terrorism is to keep it from taking root.
1) Help poor nations feed themselves. (IE: Share the wealth)
2) Don't judge another nation's values or customs.
3) eliminate prejudice, classism and hatred.

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"Get over yourself.
The way to get rid of terrorism is to keep it from taking root.
1) Help poor nations feed themselves. (IE: Share the wealth)
2) Don't judge another nation's values or customs.
3) eliminate prejudice, classism and hatred.
4) Stop trying to force your ideals down somebody else's throat."

hay that part we know.
but America didn't do that.. and now the only way to fix the problem is to become as evil as your enemies.

hay this people.. have no respect for life .. why show restrains when facing such a worthless enemy.

treat them as they treat you

oh yaa.. in the same time .. you must increase the wealth of that country.

and regarding the past.. well it did work, it always worked. as long as the Roman empire was though .. they were in power.



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I don't know too much about the IRA and the Basques........ But there are some basic things I fail to understand. Here in the US we have a group of peple called the Amish. No other modern day group of people is stranger; They live without and electricity, cars, etc.... pretty much live as they did over a century ago. Yet these people are indeed Americans and live peacefully here. They don't go around blowing people up trying to get their own country started. I don't know the details of the IRA and the and Basque, but why can't they just accept that their hosts aren't going to give them what they want.

In the Middle East it's about Isreal. Isreal is never going to leave. It's unheard of for a modern day country the size of Isreal to just disolve itself and move to a different place. It's never going to happen.

Buddy,
are you smoking crack?
Because your post is really halting and difficult to understand.

MetroPornTour,

so you are going to start personal insults now??
i guess you got nothing to say.
:)

Drop a few bombs on their " land", try to impose on them the cars, electricity and so on, then come back here to post how that went ....

Think of Wacko 2 seconds

Insults?

I think she was very kind and restrained .....

I could throw a few your way, but you are not worth it.

It wasn't an insult.
I just don't have a fracking clue where you are trying to go with this conversation.

They are "freedom fighters"
The IRA want the English out of Northern Ireland and they want N.I. to be a part of Ireland or independant (not sure which).
ERA (Basque) wants their region of Spain to be independant.

Lets not forget the 168 people killed in Oklahoma City in 1995. Just because it wasn't a raghead that did it doesn't make it any less of a terrorist attack.

lets me make it clear, I don't Hate anyone.


I hate to think of Iraq or Iran with McDonald in it. :(

i would prefer if we get some of their culture then them getting western culture



But, I don't think we would ever stop this terrorism by being nice to anyone .. this terrorist think they are in the 14th century.

Bush doesn't give a shit how many people die by their bombs, its actually good for him.. he gets more support from the rest of the world.

unless we become though and stop this people from destroying our planet.. other groups would pop up and decided they have issues too.

can you imagine if every group of people would start to blow things up to get their point across?

So right!

http://www.bendib.com/newones/2003/a...nd-Awe-USA.jpg

Sadam Hussian is accused of killing 148 people because of a failed assasination attempt.

The United STates and England have finally agreed to 26,000 (tweenty-six-thousand) killed innocent people killed in Iraq. Because of the persuit to bring democracy.

Does it make you stop and think for a moment?

Yes. But I am a Canadian.

Terrorism has always been part of war. Terrorising the other side into submission is a tool of war. Sometimes it works and sometimes it builds resistance, like in London and Berlin with the bombing.

Alexander the Great would kill an entire city if it did not surrender when asked, thereby making the next city think twice. He did not invent the method.

America was once a colony of Great Britain, so were the first revolutionaries, terrorist? How would the British of classified Washington if he had lost?

What were the US troops doing when they killed entire Indian villages doing if not terrorizing them?

The US largely back the Israeli terrorists while they were planting bombs killing soldiers and civilians in Palestine.

People in the US administration were sending money, from drug deals, to the Contras in South America. While the Contras were terrorising the country.

The Israelis terrorise Palestinians by sending in helicopter gun ships, tanks and missiles in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, in retailiation to terrorists acts in reprisal to terrorists acts, ............................

Which side is winning? The terrorists on both sides, the losers are the innocent civilians stuck in the middle.

Both sides have to sit down and talk on not look for an excuse to stop talking.

Anyone who thinks the US will come out of Iraq as winners probably thinks they came out of Vietnam as winners.

So am I.
But I'm Quebecoise and Mic Mac native.

So I guess that makes me both F.L.Q. and Oka.

Just the opposite. Nations across the globe are now coming together to collectively oppose terrorism. Even former enemies are now united against terrorism.

What a lovely world you must live in, maybe I should come visit for my holidays.

Because us here in the real world see it slightly differently. don't confuse politics with "Doing the right thing"

I was watching the movie Rules of Engagment last night. During the trial, they play a tape that is for the people of the country where the incident took place. The tape tells the people to attack americans. Women and children, and kill them all, and take their possesions as their own.

I believe that they preach this in thier Temple's.

So why doesn't the IRA and the Basque come and visit the Irish and discover "hey, it's not that bad after all - not worth blowing up people for"?

Did we kill innocent people at during the Tea Party?

(I'm not saying the US is innocent in all of this..... Clearly a lot of blame can be placed on a lot of countries.....)

You know what...

All of this comes down to this basic forumla.

1) Rich people go to war.
2) Middle class people are terrorists
3) Poor People die

And why?
Because the Rich want to stay rich and exploit the poor.
And the Middle class wants to over-throw the rich.

Yes propoganda has been used by many countries over the centuries to justify killing people and then grabbing their land.

I believe some Americans think it's acceptable to go to another country and sieze it on a false reason. Then make sure the invading countries companies, many connected with the leaders of that country, get the lions share of the financial benefits.

I think the American war of Independance was a little more than the Boston Tea Party. My argument is "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones"

Could not of put it better. When you struggle to put food on the table you're rarely plotting to invade your neighbor. It's usually those with full tables who do that.

terrorism existed since ever
it's that some of you never noticed it till 9/11

I grew up in a time when 16 to 25 year olds protested on the streets, and some were killed, against an immoral war for no reason. Todays young generation seem slightly more resigned to what their leaders tell them.

The big difference I belive was then the press were more free to report things as they saw it than today.

this is the information age, i can tell you the worst news ever aside with a hundred other bs news, you won't even notice ;-)

Did you miss my post or did you just ignore it because you did not like the facts ?

The IRA want a UNITED IRELAND, it is currently divided. The British rule the north and the Irish own the south.

Its really about power, most wars are about power and who controls it. The british control Northern Ireland (currently) and the IRA want to control ALL of Ireland through their political wing which is called Sinn Fein

Irish republican party seeki to end British rule in Northern Ireland. Led by Gerry Adams. Considered to be the political arm of the IRA

Thank fuck for the internet :thumbsup

RocHard always does that. When he has no answer, or realize that he made a dick out of himself, he either dissapears or make a new unrelated statment.

Before Ireland, he explained how in the good USA the Amish were living in peace and bothering no one ( contrary to muslims ... ). So I asked him to drop a few bombs on Amish land and see how they would react...

Never heard back from him on that great example of his...

He is a bit like that " machine" on Startrek that tought that Kirk ( creator ) was her " father "... A few questions and the thing overloaded and blew up ....

Bumpy dee bump.... :1orglaugh

No, just shooting Abortion Doctors.

Stfu, moron.

it's always been here.

:1orglaugh Its frustrating :) You take the time to fully explain a situation that someone has asked about and then you get ignored :disgust

Was it right? no... but if it wasn't for those a-bombs we'd be speaking German right now. The Japanese had won, it was a last resort.

Or gay bashing.
Or supporting the invasion of countries and killing some where between

26k dead innocents (Officially)
and
100k dead innocents (un-officially)

All because God said to their leader.... "Go invade Iraq."

Maybe the difference is this:

Muslims are terrorists but Christians are crusaders.

No matter how you slice it. My opinionis wars are fought to increase the power and prestige of the wealthy.

And when it's over this is what is left is.

1) The wealthy gain victory.
2) The middle class bury their solidiers and accept the richman's compensation.
3) The poor bury the children, spouse, parents and try to rebuild.

Oh, please. The generally accepted number is that since the troubles began, the provisional IRA has killed 1800 people, of which 650 were civilians. The rest were either police, army, or paramilitary members (both loyalist and dissident republicans), all of which i believe are legitimate targets. And i say that knowing full well that i had family in the RUC. I'm sick to death of hearing of these "thousands of innocent people" that the IRA has supposely murdered. 650 innocent people is 650 too many, though.

Irish people tried to have a peaceful civil rights movement. It didn't work. They were shot in the streets by the army, or brutalised by the B Specials (loyalist thugs given a uniform and weapons by the RUC). Have you heard any of the radio transmission evidence from the Saville inquiry into Bloody Sunday? Gotta love hearing senior officers talking about how it was a great day and how they had a good ol' laugh about it.

Let's not forget the testimony of one of the soldiers, who said the plan was to take out a few "soft targets" to bring the provos out into a gun fight so that they could then blame the incident on the IRA. How unbelievably sinister is that? Reporters estimated that there were no more than 5 shots returned at british soldiers, and only AFTER the british had begun killing innocent civil rights marchers.

What about the Dublin and Monaghan bombings. There were over 30 people killed in those bombings, and Judge Cory (the canadian judge appointed to investigate collusion between british forces and loyalist paramilitaries) said there is no doubt that there was collusion. His exact words?

?Was there collusion? There certainly was,? Judge Cory said

Ever question why the british government pushed through the inquiries bill so quickly before the Nelson and Finucane inquiries were to begin? They are scared shitless of collusion being made public.

Before the troubles started, the majority of the nationalist community was not interested in a pro-active IRA. They merely wanted defence from loyalist thugs and corrupt police officers. Are you even aware that the british army was initially brought into northern ireland to protect nationalists and catholics from loyalists and the police? Imagine that, needing to use your army to protect a portion of your citizens (whether they recognize it or not) from their own police force.

Just an offtopic update... India awarded death panelty to one of the terrorists involved in an earlier attack.

However, I feel sad about this punishment that he would be hanged to death. Bastards like that mullah must be tortured to death.

In fact, the lawyers who defend them should also be hanged. :pimp

Thanks goodness we still have sensible judged who don't go mushy-mushy with these mullahs.

Buddy,

Did you just read what you wrote?

Look I'm not getting into the entire terrorist vs. freedom fighter vs. Islam vs. whatever you want.

But what I will say is that when you advocate torture and getting rid of due process.

Then what you are advocting is barbarism and giving goverment permission to do whatever the fuck they want with you, if they decide that YOU ARE an enemy.

And once you give any goverment that kind of power. Where there was once very few enemies of the state, there will eventually be many. Including children, the old and random citizens.

The wealthy and goverment have too much power as it is.

If you want to stop terrorists, kill discrimination based on economic class.

It is the only discrimination that most nation's constitutions permit. Even in the UN charter of human rights and freedoms, it is not a crime to discriminate based on economic class.

[QUOTE=RocHard]I don't know too much about the IRA and the Basques........ But there are some basic things I fail to understand. Here in the US we have a group of peple called the Amish. No other modern day group of people is stranger; They live without and electricity, cars, etc.... pretty much live as they did over a century ago. Yet these people are indeed Americans and live peacefully here. They don't go around blowing people up trying to get their own country started. I don't know the details of the IRA and the and Basque, but why can't they just accept that their hosts aren't going to give them what they want.
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The Amish will not fight, they are a pacifist people, they don't believe in war, much like Jehovah's Witness - now if only other religions would be as peaceful as they claim to be......

Speaking of terrorism. :1orglaugh