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Brujah 10-29-2005 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah
RSS2Blog is being looked at as a Splog tool by Yahoo pretty seriously if Jeremy Zawodny's posting about it.

http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/005549.html

Did Woj fall asleep ?

Chio 10-29-2005 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah
RSS2Blog is being looked at as a Splog tool by Yahoo pretty seriously if Jeremy Zawodny's posting about it.

http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/005549.html

Yeah a lot out of the google camp regarding splogger's too.

Google/Blogger.com:

Saturday, October 29, 2005
1521 Splogs Deleted

Friday, October 28, 2005
3044 Splogs Deleted

Wednesday, October 26, 2005
5860 Splogs Deleted

President 10-29-2005 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chio
I'll be making an announcement on those as well as Forum Autoposter on Sunday.


FUCK the blogs, I want that Forum software yesterday. Contact me by email right away as I will be away on Sunday but I will have email! :thumbsup Plus I ain't got nothin better to do but wait for Hurricane Beta to kick my ass on Monday!!! Yikes So lemme set it up now while I have power :winkwink:

Chio 10-29-2005 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by President
FUCK the blogs, I want that Forum software yesterday. Contact me by email right away as I will be away on Sunday but I will have email! :thumbsup Plus I ain't got nothin better to do but wait for Hurricane Beta to kick my ass on Monday!!! Yikes So lemme set it up now while I have power :winkwink:


LOL ok I'll email you the second it's ready for human consumption. Be safe, we just dealt with Wilma here :( can't wait 'till this season is over.

monkeysnap 10-29-2005 09:30 AM

The biggest issue for me right now between the two is that AutoBlogger only allows for 10 blogs per license. I have a project I'm on right now that needs much more than that and I'd rather not have to keep buying $200 licenses every time I reach the 10 limit. I'm about to buy in the next few days. Convince me.

Veterans Day 10-29-2005 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeysnap
The biggest issue for me right now between the two is that AutoBlogger only allows for 10 blogs per license. I have a project I'm on right now that needs much more than that and I'd rather not have to keep buying $200 licenses every time I reach the 10 limit. I'm about to buy in the next few days. Convince me.

unlimited license, control as many blogs from the central admin panel as your server can handle. Put the program on multiple servers, do whatever you like :)

psili 10-29-2005 09:40 AM

I sometimes wish publishing on the net was available to only a few in a walled garden.

:(

The web's been getting so desaturated with rehashed content, worthless content it's sad. Yes,there's a few out there who actually post "new" / "relevant" / "worthwhile" stuff, but damn; most of it is just saddening.

Alex 10-29-2005 09:41 AM

Veterans Day:

What relationship do you have to the ownership to the RSSblog blog program.

Chio 10-29-2005 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeysnap
The biggest issue for me right now between the two is that AutoBlogger only allows for 10 blogs per license. I have a project I'm on right now that needs much more than that and I'd rather not have to keep buying $200 licenses every time I reach the 10 limit. I'm about to buy in the next few days. Convince me.


ICQ me. We may be able to work something out. :)

Chio 10-29-2005 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex
Veterans Day:

What relationship do you have to the ownership to the RSSblog blog program.


I was wondering the same.

Veterans Day 10-29-2005 09:56 AM

just friends, michelle and crew are purely mainstream, i am the adult industry voice

uno 10-29-2005 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chio
AutoBlogger Pro Basic? Who said that? RSS2blog doesn't do Dynamic linking, auto sitebuilding, image pulling. So you get more, and it costs less too. I'll ICQ some people that bought AutoBlogger Pro and ask them to say how they're doing with it. :)

My main issue is the one or 10 site licenses.

Chio 10-29-2005 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno
My main issue is the one or 10 site licenses.


OK. I totally understand that, and we are working on a pricing deal for more licenses.


The fact is rss2blogs ability to make a lot of blogs sounds great but long term benefits are not gained this way. A small network of sites all highly targeted with quality content, and linked together will do much better than 1000 blogs filled with shit. I am biased but my research, and sites verify this.

Again these are different products but Yahoo, and google are both coming down hard on splogger stuff. You wouldn't have this problem with AutoBlogger Pro.

uno 10-29-2005 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chio
Forgot to mention the category specific feeds, we are looking into that as well.

I really really hope he adds this feature.

Veterans Day 10-29-2005 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chio
OK. I totally understand that, and we are working on a pricing deal for more licenses.


The fact is rss2blogs ability to make a lot of blogs sounds great but long term benefits are not gained this way. A small network of sites all highly targeted with quality content, and linked together will do much better than 1000 blogs filled with shit. I am biased but my research, and sites verify this.

Again these are different products but Yahoo, and google are both coming down hard on splogger stuff. You wouldn't have this problem with AutoBlogger Pro.

Chio why do you insist on making it sound like rss2blog is used exclusively by spammers? RSS2Blog doesnt make any blogs for one, its a tool to control a large network of blogs. Using rss feeds, datafeeds, your own text, google, yahoo news, se results and so forth. Sheeez!

Rui 10-29-2005 11:25 AM

ok this goes to both "Veteran's Day" and "Chio" (how I wish you had a name lol), i'm seriously looking towards implementing a solution similar to the ones you offer (not into a network of 100 blogs that use the same shit all over) but in a more small value-added network.

My question is if you guys are willing to give a workaround and talk to a automation-blog noob about this.

cheers

OzMan 10-29-2005 11:36 AM

Chio, ok so apparently according to you Auto blogger can do everything Rss2blog can do and more. There is no specific detailed feature list up for Auto blogger to show this but anyhow... let's take your word for it.

And lets say you come out with an unlimited version, not the current 10 license one... and lets say you can install it remotely and control your blogs from one interface eventually which is not the case now.

So will the two programs be basically equal then? No, according to your outlook rss2blog will still be posting shit and your program will be posting quality content and making the web a better place for humanity and as a secondary bonus maybe making some money at the same time with those few quality blogs you have up.

May I remind you that we all use the same content. We make it ourselves or we get it from the web. So whatever "shit" you regurgitate from the web for your posts, every other auto post program or manual poster can have too.

Handwriting each post or manually editing each post is noble indeed but hardly the topic at hand. What would be the point of having Auto blogger post hand written content. I would just post it manually or use the post scheduler to add these prewritten posts at set times.

Please stop trying to say auto blogger is not a splog tool. The only way you can make your posts look "nicer" than rss2blog posts is by manually editing them as you appear to do on fandangos.com. I will do one better, I will handwrite all my posts. Do I win? No because we are talking about making money by saving time thru' automation.

If you are using other peoples content and posting at set times, you can easily come up on the splog radar. If you have access to unique content and you auto post at random times, there is zero footprint, pattern whatever you want to call it and it appears to anyone that you are manually posting.

...Jack, automation is not a sign of lazyness and a corrupt web, Well, even if it is, :upsidedow it's a fact of life on or off the web. Go look at yahoo.com, stock market sites or a million other homepages and see how much of it is automated.

Veterans Day 10-29-2005 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OzMan
Chio, ok so apparently according to you Auto blogger can do everything Rss2blog can do and more. There is no specific detailed feature list up for Auto blogger to show this but anyhow... let's take your word for it.

And lets say you come out with an unlimited version, not the current 10 license one... and lets say you can install it remotely and control your blogs from one interface eventually which is not the case now.

So will the two programs be basically equal then? No, according to your outlook rss2blog will still be posting shit and your program will be posting quality content and making the web a better place for humanity and as a secondary bonus maybe making some money at the same time with those few quality blogs you have up.

May I remind you that we all use the same content. We make it ourselves or we get it from the web. So whatever "shit" you regurgitate from the web for your posts, every other auto post program or manual poster can have too.

Handwriting each post or manually editing each post is noble indeed but hardly the topic at hand. What would be the point of having Auto blogger post hand written content. I would just post it manually or use the post scheduler to add these prewritten posts at set times.

Please stop trying to say auto blogger is not a splog tool. The only way you can make your posts look "nicer" than rss2blog posts is by manually editing them as you appear to do on fandangos.com. I will do one better, I will handwrite all my posts. Do I win? No because we are talking about making money by saving time thru' automation.

If you are using other peoples content and posting at set times, you can easily come up on the splog radar. If you have access to unique content and you auto post at random times, there is zero footprint, pattern whatever you want to call it and it appears to anyone that you are manually posting.

...Jack, automation is not a sign of lazyness and a corrupt web, Well, even if it is, :upsidedow it's a fact of life on or off the web. Go look at yahoo.com, stock market sites or a million other homepages and see how much of it is automated.

Cmon rational talking on GFY doesn't work nor is it sensible. :thumbsup

Chio 10-29-2005 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OzMan
Chio, ok so apparently according to you Auto blogger can do everything Rss2blog can do and more. There is no specific detailed feature list up for Auto blogger to show this but anyhow... let's take your word for it.

And lets say you come out with an unlimited version, not the current 10 license one... and lets say you can install it remotely and control your blogs from one interface eventually which is not the case now.

So will the two programs be basically equal then? No, according to your outlook rss2blog will still be posting shit and your program will be posting quality content and making the web a better place for humanity and as a secondary bonus maybe making some money at the same time with those few quality blogs you have up.

May I remind you that we all use the same content. We make it ourselves or we get it from the web. So whatever "shit" you regurgitate from the web for your posts, every other auto post program or manual poster can have too.

Handwriting each post or manually editing each post is noble indeed but hardly the topic at hand. What would be the point of having Auto blogger post hand written content. I would just post it manually or use the post scheduler to add these prewritten posts at set times.

Please stop trying to say auto blogger is not a splog tool. The only way you can make your posts look "nicer" than rss2blog posts is by manually editing them as you appear to do on fandangos.com. I will do one better, I will handwrite all my posts. Do I win? No because we are talking about making money by saving time thru' automation.

If you are using other peoples content and posting at set times, you can easily come up on the splog radar. If you have access to unique content and you auto post at random times, there is zero footprint, pattern whatever you want to call it and it appears to anyone that you are manually posting.

...Jack, automation is not a sign of lazyness and a corrupt web, Well, even if it is, :upsidedow it's a fact of life on or off the web. Go look at yahoo.com, stock market sites or a million other homepages and see how much of it is automated.

Hmmm I don't think you've read my posts about autoblogger. Also you are way off on fandangos, that's just one demo site shall I start showing others?

I simply state that quality will beat out quantity any day. Rss2blog doesn't do relinking, doesn't do sitemap building or submission? correct?

I do not edit fandangos manually I sometimes change something in pulled posts to be more targeted. I could should you a bunch of sites that don't so what's your point?

As for central admin it's coded, Image pull is coded, linking system changes requested by customers... coded.

It is a completely automated system. But it's flexible in that you can edit anything at anytime.

I am not interested in getting into a pissing match over this. Seriously :)

Chio 10-29-2005 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veterans Day
Cmon rational talking on GFY doesn't work nor is it sensible. :thumbsup

I can be very rational :)

~Ray 10-29-2005 12:40 PM

Chio is a fake nick... :2 cents: , easy for him to vanish. I think him and Krille are the same person.

Chio 10-29-2005 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veterans Day
Chio why do you insist on making it sound like rss2blog is used exclusively by spammers? RSS2Blog doesnt make any blogs for one, its a tool to control a large network of blogs. Using rss feeds, datafeeds, your own text, google, yahoo news, se results and so forth. Sheeez!


OOPS sorry didn't see this post Can you icq me?

Chio 10-29-2005 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex
Chio is a fake nick... :2 cents: , easy for him to vanish. I think him and Krille are the same person.


OK now that's just silly. I am not a fake nick. I am Chio The Pirate. Verify with texas dreams :)

~Ray 10-29-2005 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chio
OK now that's just silly. I am not a fake nick. I am Chio The Pirate. Verify with texas dreams :)

I remember when you came here... you are a fake nick.. a good one, but please, are we supposed to trust a fake nick?

you are a nice guy though. You have another fake nick too.. "theo"

Chio 10-29-2005 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex
I remember when you came here... you are a fake nick.. a good one, but please, are we supposed to trust a fake nick?

you are a nice guy though. You have another fake nick too.. "theo"


Most people know who I am, what I run, and what I am about.

Veterans Day 10-29-2005 01:02 PM

you keep implying that blogs running rss2blog are nothing but crap or are spammers, jesus christ, you are the self admitted news spammer, and coming out with a forum spammer. Good Lord. Im done with this thread, if anyone has any questions 209598065.

lchaim 10-29-2005 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veterans Day
It's irrelevant as I do many different mainstream niches were adsense pays 5 cents a click or 5 bucks per click, lets just say im not doing it for the fun of it :winkwink:

If it's such a hot money making tool why are you babbeling about it here on GFY?


:pimp


Are you getting cuts on those sales? Like dilluting your bling? Or just making up for bad kharma in a previous or present life?

Chio 10-29-2005 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veterans Day
you keep implying that blogs running rss2blog are nothing but crap or are spammers, jesus christ, you are the self admitted news spammer, and coming out with a forum spammer. Good Lord. Im done with this thread, if anyone has any questions 209598065.

Yes and the forum spammer will be *effective*, and not appear as spam.

I'd like to talk with you personally about this, I icq'd you, I'm not trying to knock rss, I even recommended it to monkey snap earlier, as rss2blog was more suited to what he was trying to do. If you care to chat respond to my ICQ.

nastynun 10-29-2005 01:40 PM

Not that it matters but you do know with wordpress you can set it to post at different hours and days..

Also for those of you who are not that lazy and are looking for a free tool that does the below then check out.
http://wbloggar.com/
Post and Publish on most blogs/cms tools and services
Edit Posts and Templates
Save Posts locally for further publishing
Import Text files
Add links and images
Format text font and alignment
Multiple accounts and blogs
Post preview
Colorized HTML code
HTML tags menu
Find/Replace option
Post to many blogs
Title and Category Fields
Spell Checking
File and Image Upload
Custom Tags Menu
Toolbar Icons Skin
Supports Windows XP
Support to the advanced MovableType options New!
Add Account Wizard New!
Support to Multiple Categories New!
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monkeysnap 10-29-2005 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chio
I'm not trying to knock rss, I even recommended it to monkey snap earlier, as rss2blog was more suited to what he was trying to do.

Yep, he did recommend RSS2Blog to me for what I need to do. :thumbsup

BlueQuartz 10-29-2005 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevsh
May be a great tool, but that web site in your sig looks like a bad infomercial. No offense, but it is a spitting image of all those "LEARN HOW TO MAKE $1000 AN HOUR ON THE NET!"-type sites I've seen way too many times.

Yes! I want to make money now!
Yes! I want to build a blog empire!
Yes! I want your software now!

But hey, if it works for you and gets sales, great -- But imo, if I came across that site using a Google search, etc. I'd hit the Back button in 2 seconds flat.


its a fucking site for pet medicines you idiot!! - what the fuck would you want it to look like????

Thumbler 10-29-2005 02:14 PM

You could always buy BlogAutoPublisher instead (if you have a deep pocket) :)

Thumbler 10-29-2005 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueQuartz
its a fucking site for pet medicines you idiot!! - what the fuck would you want it to look like????

He's actually talking about the demo in VeteransDay's sig, not the pet medicines shareasale datafeed site

BlueQuartz 10-29-2005 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex
Chio is a fake nick... :2 cents: , easy for him to vanish. I think him and Krille are the same person.


if its a fake nick then he has been using it on ICQ all day everyday for the last two weeks

















DICK - FUCKING - HEAD

~Ray 10-29-2005 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueQuartz
if its a fake nick then he has been using it on ICQ all day everyday for the last two weeks
DICK - FUCKING - HEAD

TWO WHOLE FUCKING WEEKS?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I said Chio was a nice guy.. but a fake nick. He agreed, Chio is a fake nick... he is theo too... don't know who else.

If you got a problem with me, then do something about it... DICK - FUCKING - HEAD :321GFY

~Ray

2HousePlague 10-29-2005 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OzMan
...Jack, automation is not a sign of lazyness and a corrupt web, Well, even if it is, :upsidedow it's a fact of life on or off the web. Go look at yahoo.com, stock market sites or a million other homepages and see how much of it is automated.

John, not ALL automation, for Christ's sake -- :warning

Only the ones that resemble and are responded to like this:


http://www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2004/03/287262.jpg

All, I'm saying is y'all ain't slick -- you're doing exactly what you're supposed to -- trying to get over.

Too much...

http://www.janmontyn.com/historypics/carpetbombing.jpg

Almost no...

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefme...8/T068088A.jpg

Ain't nobody gettin' fooled -- :winkwink: -- Advice, yo!


2hp

Chio 10-29-2005 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague
John, not ALL automation, for Christ's sake -- :warning

Only the ones that resemble and are responded to like this:


http://www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2004/03/287262.jpg

All, I'm saying is y'all ain't slick -- you're doing exactly what you're supposed to -- trying to get over.

Too much...

http://www.janmontyn.com/historypics/carpetbombing.jpg

Almost no...

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefme...8/T068088A.jpg

Ain't nobody gettin' fooled -- :winkwink: -- Advice, yo!


2hp

YARGH! Well said.

BlueQuartz 10-29-2005 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex
TWO WHOLE FUCKING WEEKS?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I said Chio was a nice guy.. but a fake nick. He agreed, Chio is a fake nick... he is theo too... don't know who else.

If you got a problem with me, then do something about it... DICK - FUCKING - HEAD :321GFY

~Ray

what the fuck are you talking about - what the fuck is a fake nick then?


you said he had a fake nick and could easily vanish!!! What the fuck were you implying with that statement fool!

Gee hes a nice guy you say but wtf hes selling this script and could vanish at any time??


Apart from the crap from the peanut gallery the best way to choose is to buy them both and test them YOURSELF. :pimp

BlueQuartz 10-29-2005 02:58 PM

http://www.relinksoftware.com/ <--- check it

Matiz 10-29-2005 04:19 PM

So, autoblogger adds your own links to articles written by others - What's about copyright?

BlueQuartz 10-29-2005 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matiz
So, autoblogger adds your own links to articles written by others - What's about copyright?

theres no copyright involved in LINKING to ANYTHING

Chio 10-29-2005 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matiz
So, autoblogger adds your own links to articles written by others - What's about copyright?


Autoblogger Pro doesn't change existing links, it doesn't alter the original text at all, and full credit for the original article is retained (if available). Just in case, if credit is not within the article there is a link placed in the links section for feed contributors.

Matiz 10-29-2005 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chio
Autoblogger Pro doesn't change existing links, it doesn't alter the original text at all, and full credit for the original article is retained (if available). Just in case, if credit is not within the article there is a link placed in the links section for feed contributors.

All right. Thanks for the clarification.

OzMan 10-29-2005 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chio
Autoblogger Pro doesn't change existing links, it doesn't alter the original text at all, and full credit for the original article is retained (if available). Just in case, if credit is not within the article there is a link placed in the links section for feed contributors.

lol RSS feeds are syndicated on the condition that the feed is not altered and that the link back to the original article remains intact. EVERY feed has a link back. That's the whole point of course, you read a snippet and then go to the original site for the full story.

Your demo sites that I have seen violate both of these conditions. You parse the full text of the article, remove the link back, implying the content is yours and then add affiliate links that were not in the original article.

People DO check where their feeds are being used by the link backs or by searching for their original text blocks on the web to see who has stolen their content without a credit and sooner or later you will be asked to remove the feed and/or at least threatened with worse especially if you are clearly using the feed for commercial purposes by adding your own affiliate links without permission.

But have a great weekend anyhow. :thumbsup

Chio 10-29-2005 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OzMan
lol RSS feeds are syndicated on the condition that the feed is not altered and that the link back to the original article remains intact. EVERY feed has a link back. That's the whole point of course, you read a snippet and then go to the original site for the full story.

Your demo sites that I have seen violate both of these conditions. You parse the full text of the article, remove the link back, implying the content is yours and then add affiliate links that were not in the original article.

People DO check where their feeds are being used by the link backs or by searching for their original text blocks on the web to see who has stolen their content without a credit and sooner or later you will be asked to remove the feed and/or at least threatened with worse especially if you are clearly using the feed for commercial purposes by adding your own affiliate links without permission.

But have a great weekend anyhow. :thumbsup

eh? Dude check your facts. You know there are full article feeds right? good. The perma-link does link back to original article. Trying to knock Autoblogger Pro with distorted facts is just making you look bad.

OzMan 10-29-2005 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chio
eh? Dude check your facts. You know there are full article feeds right? good. The perma-link does link back to original article. Trying to knock Autoblogger Pro with distorted facts is just making you look bad.

Yeah I do see the links now my bad... and like I said on the phone, most of us are guilty of using other people's content in one form or another myself definitely included.

As I said earlier, which program to use depends on what your plans are. I have tried the quality versus quantity route and still been burned by Google. So now I focus on quantity while trying to maintain as much quality as possible. For me rss2blog is more useful at doing this as I usually post hundreds of original auto generated articles rather than feeds.

Ok so in conclusion IMHO :upsidedow If you want to focus on specific niches with a few blogs use auto blogger. If you are looking to auto update a large network use rss2blog. :)

Rex 01-19-2006 07:08 PM

I just bought Chio's program and I like it. I haven't been indexed yet but I can tell you why i decided to buy it over rss2blog. When I check all the blogs on the rss2blog website none were even in google. So that sent up a red flag for me as a consumer.

Chio's software is pretty good and easy to use. I like it.

Brujah 01-19-2006 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex
I just bought Chio's program and I like it. I haven't been indexed yet but I can tell you why i decided to buy it over rss2blog. When I check all the blogs on the rss2blog website none were even in google. So that sent up a red flag for me as a consumer.

Chio's software is pretty good and easy to use. I like it.

Can you tell the difference between a blog using rss2blog or autoblogger ? Probably not. A feed is a feed is a feed. More telling is probably how they are being used, if anything. I would try to figure that out, and then avoid the same thing happening to your own sites.

monkeysnap 01-20-2006 12:02 AM

I've been using RSS2Blog for a couple of months now and I can tell you:

Yes, the blogs do get in Google (MSN, Yahoo!, and others too). I'm not talking only 23rd page results, I'm talking first page, high listed results.

No, there's nothing particularly special about blogs made with it that can be tagged by Google (unless you do stupid things which can be done with ANY tool, AutoBlogger included).

Yes, I get a good amount of SE traffic from the blogs I have set up with it, and since I just keep adding more blogs, I just keep getting more traffic.

Yes, I have more than 10 blogs running with it, for one price. I can have 500 blogs running with it if I want. Still the same price.

Yes, it's easy as hell to use. A monkey could do it.

Yes, it's WELL worth the money.

Buy it here.

.

Argoz 04-01-2006 08:58 AM

sorry for the bump but i'm lost.... rss2blog or Autoblogger Pro...?! Damn, it's hard to choose.


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