Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff - INDICTED!!

[xuron]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/...obe/index.html

[NickPapageorgio]

Scapegoat...

...meat for the lions...

[The Truth Hurts]

and now he's resigned.

[sweetcuties]

Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio

Scapegoat...

...meat for the lions...

Agreed... watiing for Rove and Dick

[pornguy]

Ahhhhhh tooo bad.

Hang the fucker.


Sad thing is, he wont do a single minute in jail.

[Phoenix]

scapegoat is right...who cars about him he is a rich mofo and will just go on back to his virginia house or his colorado cottage.

i want bush...cheney..rove

[dynastoned]

no shit hes just small fish. he can be replaced...

[JMM]

"The grand jury that handed up the indictment had been hearing the case for nearly two years and its term expires Friday."

Obviously a rush to judgement. The real criminals are still out there. Im sure scooter will not rest until the real criminals are found and brought to justice.

[spanky part 2]

This is just the start. It isn't done yet. VP and rove are in a world if shite.

[chshkt]

these are not the main accusations, the huge ones are yet to come

[gornyhuy]

Yet to come
WHEN MOTHERFUCKER?????

[WebairGerard]

one down. working our way up. take them all down!!!!!

[chshkt]

don't miss the news conference at 2 pm EDT, more will be indicted... probably cheney.. and bush if not now later...

[sweetcuties]

Originally Posted by chshkt

don't miss the news conference at 2 pm EDT, more will be indicted... probably cheney.. and bush if not now later...

Will be watching, I hope so... will get my weekend going

[MikeyFingaz]

im not gettin my hopes up about this... but it would be soooo great if all these indictments went thru and were prosecuted and convicted.... i dont know about you all, but i will be happy to take a few months of chaos, reform and replacement over the fucking bush crowd anyday.... some smart old dead guy once said something like.. "periodically the nation has to cleans itself with the blood of sumthin err' nuther"... i think they mighta meant poeple like bush. lol

edited to say: the only bush i like is baked beans, and pussy.

[hydro]

wow that physic at my news years party was on the money but why the hell didnt i find my fortune yet :/

[uno]

Originally Posted by sweetcuties

Agreed... watiing for Rove and Dick

Wasn't the testimony that Tenet gave the info to Cheney, then Cheney gave it to Libby for this purpose?

It's perfectly legal and fine for Tenet to give that info to the VP btw. He has almost as high a clearance as the president for info like that.

[SykkBoy]

when you dance with the devil........

[chshkt]

THREE SEALED INDICTMENTS NOT REPORTED
BY MASS MEDIA FOR
NATIONAL SECURITY REASONS

Cloak News Toronto - Special Prosecutor Patrick
Fitzgerald under National Security guidelines sealed
three Grand Jury Indictments today. Cloak News which
has been on the forefront releasing first news of the
Grand Juries work from insiders, has learned that
VICE-PRESIDENT CHENEY and White House NSC Advisor
STEVE HADLEY have been indicted of high crimes against
the U.S . Constitution. If convicted both men could be
subject to capital punishment! Stay with Cloak News
and www.cloakanddagger.de and stay ahead of the Mass
Media parade. More to come tonight in the Member's
Archives if we are not shut down by the Bush White
House police.

[uno]

Originally Posted by chshkt

THREE SEALED INDICTMENTS NOT REPORTED
BY MASS MEDIA FOR
NATIONAL SECURITY REASONS

Cloak News Toronto - Special Prosecutor Patrick
Fitzgerald under National Security guidelines sealed
three Grand Jury Indictments today. Cloak News which
has been on the forefront releasing first news of the
Grand Juries work from insiders, has learned that
VICE-PRESIDENT CHENEY and White House NSC Advisor
STEVE HADLEY have been indicted of high crimes against
the U.S . Constitution. If convicted both men could be
subject to capital punishment! Stay with Cloak News
and www.cloakanddagger.de and stay ahead of the Mass
Media parade. More to come tonight in the Member's
Archives if we are not shut down by the Bush White
House police.

Do you ever post anything reputable?

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

when you dance with the devil........

You get a Presidential pardon?

[Mr Dickovitch]

Originally Posted by chshkt

THREE SEALED INDICTMENTS NOT REPORTED
BY MASS MEDIA FOR
NATIONAL SECURITY REASONS

Cloak News Toronto - Special Prosecutor Patrick
Fitzgerald under National Security guidelines sealed
three Grand Jury Indictments today. Cloak News which
has been on the forefront releasing first news of the
Grand Juries work from insiders, has learned that
VICE-PRESIDENT CHENEY and White House NSC Advisor
STEVE HADLEY have been indicted of high crimes against
the U.S . Constitution. If convicted both men could be
subject to capital punishment! Stay with Cloak News
and www.cloakanddagger.de and stay ahead of the Mass
Media parade. More to come tonight in the Member's
Archives if we are not shut down by the Bush White
House police.

Kill yourself.

[Doctor Dre]

Capital punishement ? ROFLMAO...

[Doctor Dre]

Actually, there SHOULD be capital punishement so they make an example out of it.

I fucking hope Bush is net... but Cheney small fish ? what the fuck you guys are talking about, he probably has more power then Bush...

[MikeyFingaz]

Scooter Cant Pitch

[MikeyFingaz]

... but he might be "catching" pretty soon, lol.

[ronbotx]

Originally Posted by chshkt

these are not the main accusations, the huge ones are yet to come

You are a moron. You predicted 22 indictments over and over. You got one indictment with 5 counts. Please crawl back in a hole with your worthless sources and STFU. Your information and credibility are worth ZERO

Fitzgerald was unable to to say whether Plame had been outed or not. He did not answer whether she was convert or not. Two years and millions of dollars later and we don't know whether the original "alleged" crime of "outing" a covert CIA agent ever happened....

[spanky part 2]

Hey, where are all those conservative fucks spouting how bad Clinton was and how pure and innocent this administration is.

Like it was just this one guy......yeah right.

1870 was the last time a white house official was indicted.

Bush really brought dignity and integrity to the white house.,

[Lev]

Cheney should be locked up for good!

[spanky part 2]

Fox news cracks me up. They are leading with Bush' speach on terror.

[uno]

Originally Posted by ronbotx

Fitzgerald was unable to to say whether Plame had been outed or not. He did not answer whether she was convert or not. Two years and millions of dollars later and we don't know whether the original "alleged" crime of "outing" a covert CIA agent ever happened....

Were you watching the same press conference I was?

[ronbotx]

Originally Posted by uno

Were you watching the same press conference I was?

Apparently you did not understand what was said...
************************************************** ******
From the Transcript:

QUESTION: Can you say whether or not you know whether Mr. Libby knew that Valerie Wilson's identity was covert and whether or not that was pivotal at all in your inability or your decision not to charge under the Intelligence Identity Protection Act?

FITZGERALD: Let me say two things. Number one, I am not speaking to whether or not Valerie Wilson was covert. And anything I say is not intended to say anything beyond this: that she was a CIA officer from January 1st, 2002, forward.

I will confirm that her association with the CIA was classified at that time through July 2003. And all I'll say is that, look, we have not made any allegation that Mr. Libby knowingly, intentionally outed a covert agent.

FITZGERALD: We have not charged that. And so I'm not making that assertion.
************************************************** ******

First: classified is not equal to covert.
No one accused of outing an agent.

[chshkt]

Originally Posted by uno

Do you ever post anything reputable?

it's reputable as long as i'm working with group of people in US&Canada that knows that this is really happening from first hand... and are part of the coming HUGE changes as me... and you will be absolutely stunned when they get all of your cables for few days to introduce the world to the new system that it will be working on...
don't think you know what's going to happen and stop repeating the same shit that they will get away with this... do you want they to get away with this?? this time they are not... this time is different... and they are going all down... not just the bush administration... all of the ruling elite that's doing so much harm to the people... all of them are going down... one by one...
today's indictment was just to get the attention of the world... it wasn't even about the CIA-leaker
this is just the beginning of the end of the slavery in the world...
soon the world poverty will be history and i'm serious... magnificent future awaits us...
just send love to the brave people like Fitzgerald that are working behind the scenes for so long to bring you the world peace yet to come...
i don't care what do you think of this and what do you think of me... i know it's true
consider that as a favor to my favorite msg board...

P.S. Someone with connections at his bank or if someone knows a manager of a bank or something like that can ask them in private conversation to exchange him $100 Federal Notes for the new rainbow colored US Treasury Notes, which are totally new with all the colors of the rainbow and with an eagle... most of the banks have the new money already... the personnel have a gag order until the announcement but few have succeded in getting information and actually to see the money... this is from 1st october... federal reserve is going down and new rainbow money backed up by gold will be introduced... these announcements will be made soon

[spanky part 2]

Originally Posted by ronbotx

Apparently you did not understand what was said...
************************************************** ******
From the Transcript:

QUESTION: Can you say whether or not you know whether Mr. Libby knew that Valerie Wilson's identity was covert and whether or not that was pivotal at all in your inability or your decision not to charge under the Intelligence Identity Protection Act?

FITZGERALD: Let me say two things. Number one, I am not speaking to whether or not Valerie Wilson was covert. And anything I say is not intended to say anything beyond this: that she was a CIA officer from January 1st, 2002, forward.

I will confirm that her association with the CIA was classified at that time through July 2003. And all I'll say is that, look, we have not made any allegation that Mr. Libby knowingly, intentionally outed a covert agent.

FITZGERALD: We have not charged that. And so I'm not making that assertion.
************************************************** ******

First: classified is not equal to covert.
No one accused of outing an agent.

Yet, there is still an investigation going on. Remember Novaks source is only known as "A"

[wallst]

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

Fox news cracks me up. They are leading with Bush' speach on terror.

It is funny to watch. Foxnews came available in Canada just before the furst hurricane hit New Orleans. Afterwards, it was amazing to see the actual on air people pointing the finger at the mayor and state, and not wanting to blame Bush or anything federal for anything. Even after that phony Brown got fire, it was still the Govenor's fault, the mayor's fault.

Then there is O'Rielly. Anyone who claims to be the "no spin zone" and then starts with "talking points" need to get himself checked into the new bedlam medical resting home... he truly doesn't realize what he is doing. There is no spin only because your head is shoved so far up Bush's ass that you are spinning with him. Keep focused on the crap in front of your eyes, and NOTHING appears to be spinning.

For Fox News Channel, Bush is god, can do no wrong.

Galling to call it "news".

Alex

[EviLSuperstaR]

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

Hey, where are all those conservative fucks spouting how bad Clinton was and how pure and innocent this administration is.

Like it was just this one guy......yeah right.

1870 was the last time a white house official was indicted.

Bush really brought dignity and integrity to the white house.,

They are counting their corrupt dollars and laughing with the +2,000 poor brave men that died over their greed and lies.
The US is rotten to the bone.

[spanky part 2]

Still hearing crickets from the conservatives that are normally all over this shit on this board.

For some reason I am seeing a backlash coming. Midterm elections are only a year away!

If this thing goes to trial, it will last for the rest of Bush term.

Now is the time for the liberals to start smearing the conservatives with all this shit.

It makes me sad to think that this administration has made us a big laughing stock, and it only took 5 years to do it.

[RawAlex]

Actually, the liberals don't have to smear them with shit, they are doing a good job to themselves.

With Meirs, Bush basically said "Look guys, I can appoint anyone to the supreme court. I could get this ham sandwich appointed. Or Harriet, even!".

Wrong-o Bongo.

Bush is also very lucky that Fitzgerald was not a Ken Starr. He is lucky that there are no strident, indignant, and pompous liberal talk show hosts (outside of Al Franken) to stir up the population the same way that the conservatives did when they found out that Clinton got a humjob from an intern. Leaking a CIA agent name is a matter of national security, getting your cock sucked by a chubby intern is a matter of personal preference.

One by one, the mighty republicans are falling to their arrogance, greed, and blatant attempts to manipulate the media to shut people up. The public should be outraged that the entire intent of this whole process was to discredit someone who dared to write in public that the reasons for the Iraq war were not true - well before the troops were sent in.

Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction, they did no buy "yellow cake" uranium in africa, and they were not an immediate threat to anyone, except possibly the fashion police.

Revealing Plume's name was an attempt to discredit and drown out her husband.

That should offend Americans was more than a horndog president getting a knobjob.

Alex

[chshkt]

Dick Morris: Cheney in the Cross-hairs?



Think Progress: On Fox News, former presidential adviser Dick Morris says today's events don?t bode well for Dick Cheney:

"...But it is very possible that the prosecutor looks up the food chain to Vice President Cheney. These investigations have a way of rising. And according to the terms of the indictment, Cheney told Libby about Valerie Plame and then Libby lied to the grand jury about how he found about it, saying that he got it from a reporter. Well, if that?s the case, the vice president knew that Libby was lying."...read on"

Video-WMP

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You could see that John Gibson wasn't too thrilled with Dick's answer. He not so subtlety steered him back on topic. Where's that fair and balanced Fox News approach Gibbie?

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

Hey, where are all those conservative fucks spouting how bad Clinton was and how pure and innocent this administration is.

Like it was just this one guy......yeah right.

1870 was the last time a white house official was indicted.

Bush really brought dignity and integrity to the white house.,

Oh really? Want some stats?

Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122

CLINTON MACHINE CRIMES FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS
HAVE BEEN OBTAINED

Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery (4), tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans, illegal gifts (1), illegal campaign contributions (5), money laundering (6), perjury, obstruction of justice.

OTHER MATTERS INVESTIGATED BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS
OR CONGRESS

Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, improper acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, improper futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees, inviting drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime to the White House.

ARKANSAS ALTZHEIMER'S

Number of times that Clinton figures who testified in court or before Congress said that they didn't remember, didn't know, or something similar.

Bill Kennedy 116
Harold Ickes 148
Ricki Seidman 160
Bruce Lindsey 161
Bill Burton 191
Mark Gearan 221
Mack McLarty 233
Neil Egglseston 250
Hillary Clinton 250
John Podesta 264
Jennifer O'Connor 343
Dwight Holton 348
Patsy Thomasson 420
Jeff Eller 697

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

Still hearing crickets from the conservatives that are normally all over this shit on this board.

For some reason I am seeing a backlash coming. Midterm elections are only a year away!

If this thing goes to trial, it will last for the rest of Bush term.

Now is the time for the liberals to start smearing the conservatives with all this shit.

It makes me sad to think that this administration has made us a big laughing stock, and it only took 5 years to do it.

No shit this is heavy

Clinton got his dick sucked and they wouldnt let it go now its there time to pay

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Oh really? Want some stats?

Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122

CLINTON MACHINE CRIMES FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS
HAVE BEEN OBTAINED

Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery (4), tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans, illegal gifts (1), illegal campaign contributions (5), money laundering (6), perjury, obstruction of justice.

OTHER MATTERS INVESTIGATED BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS
OR CONGRESS

Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, improper acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, improper futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees, inviting drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime to the White House.

ARKANSAS ALTZHEIMER'S

Number of times that Clinton figures who testified in court or before Congress said that they didn't remember, didn't know, or something similar.

Bill Kennedy 116
Harold Ickes 148
Ricki Seidman 160
Bruce Lindsey 161
Bill Burton 191
Mark Gearan 221
Mack McLarty 233
Neil Egglseston 250
Hillary Clinton 250
John Podesta 264
Jennifer O'Connor 343
Dwight Holton 348
Patsy Thomasson 420
Jeff Eller 697

and then of course, there is also

- FBI files misappropriated by the White House: c. 900
- Estimated number of witnesses quoted in FBI files misappropriated by the White House: 18,000
- Number of witnesses who developed medical problems at critical points in Clinton scandals investigation (Tucker, Hale, both McDougals, Lindsey): 5
- Problem areas listed in a memo by Clinton's own lawyer in preparation for the president's defense: 40
- Number of witnesses and critics of Clinton subjected to IRS audit: 45
- Number of names placed in a White House secret database without the knowledge of those named: c. 200,000


- As of June 2000, the Justice Department listed 25 people indicted and 19 convicted because of the 1996 Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals.
- According to the House Committee on Government Reform in September 2000, 79 House and Senate witnesses asserted the Fifth Amendment in the course of investigations into Gore's last fundraising campaign. [These figures are included in the larger figures elsewhere].
-James Riady entered a plea agreement to pay an $8.5 million fine for campaign finance crimes. This was a record under campaign finance laws.

You people have VERY short memories! LMAO!

[spanky part 2]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Oh really? Want some stats?

Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122

CLINTON MACHINE CRIMES FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS
HAVE BEEN OBTAINED

Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery (4), tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans, illegal gifts (1), illegal campaign contributions (5), money laundering (6), perjury, obstruction of justice.

OTHER MATTERS INVESTIGATED BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS
OR CONGRESS

Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, improper acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, improper futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees, inviting drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime to the White House.

ARKANSAS ALTZHEIMER'S

Number of times that Clinton figures who testified in court or before Congress said that they didn't remember, didn't know, or something similar.

Bill Kennedy 116
Harold Ickes 148
Ricki Seidman 160
Bruce Lindsey 161
Bill Burton 191
Mark Gearan 221
Mack McLarty 233
Neil Egglseston 250
Hillary Clinton 250
John Podesta 264
Jennifer O'Connor 343
Dwight Holton 348
Patsy Thomasson 420
Jeff Eller 697

Maybe I should make it simpler for you simple minded conservatives.

High level white house officials. Not just associates thru some obscure reference. Just wait, there will be more.

Let it go man, Clinton did nothing wrong except for his pick of women.

Bush on the other hand has sent 2000 us soldiers to the grave along with tens of thousands of maimed soldiers. Lets not even talk about Iraqi kids and women. All for his oil buddies who just fucked us again with the last hurricane.

Yep just supply and demand right. Once again Exxon just had the highest quarterly profit in US history. That's 2 quarters running.
I hope they get that windfall tax passed and tax the fuck out of these a-holes.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

Maybe I should make it simpler for you simple minded conservatives.

High level white house officials. Not just associates thru some obscure reference. Just wait, there will be more.

Let it go man, Clinton did nothing wrong except for his pick of women.

Bush on the other hand has sent 2000 us soldiers to the grave along with tens of thousands of maimed soldiers. Lets not even talk about Iraqi kids and women. All for his oil buddies who just fucked us again with the last hurricane.

Yep just supply and demand right. Once again Exxon just had the highest quarterly profit in US history. That's 2 quarters running.
I hope they get that windfall tax passed and tax the fuck out of these a-holes.

I couldn't give a rats ass who clinton had sex with. I'm talking about selling military secrets to foreign goverments in exchange for illegal campaign contributions, etc.. Clinton permitted the sale of sensitive and sophisticated satellite, computer, encryption, weapons and guidance system to China for an estimated $5,000,000 in soft-money contributions.

The Clinton administration refused to comply with a 1999 law passed by Congress which required the White House to identify the businesses in the United States affiliated with Beijing. The FBI identified more than 3,000 Chinese government -linked businesses operating in the US; more than 300 of these firms provide funding for Beijing's military and provide spies for intelligent-gathering activities.

Clinton refused to release the names of businessmen accompanying him on an Indonesian trip in November 1994 although public money and planes were used for the trip. More than $40 billion in contracts were signed during the trip.

White House counsel Vince Foster commits suicide. The Clintons sent Maggie Williams to clean his office of any offending or incriminating papers before investigators arrive.

and like I pointed out before:

- FBI files misappropriated by the White House: c. 900
- Estimated number of witnesses quoted in FBI files misappropriated by the White House: 18,000
- Number of witnesses who developed medical problems at critical points in Clinton scandals investigation (Tucker, Hale, both McDougals, Lindsey): 5
- Problem areas listed in a memo by Clinton's own lawyer in preparation for the president's defense: 40
- Number of witnesses and critics of Clinton subjected to IRS audit: 45
- Number of names placed in a White House secret database without the knowledge of those named: c. 200,000


- As of June 2000, the Justice Department listed 25 people indicted and 19 convicted because of the 1996 Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals.

-James Riady entered a plea agreement to pay an $8.5 million fine for campaign finance crimes. This was a record under campaign finance laws.

List of conservative groups audited by the IRS under Clinton rule: Nation Review, The American Spectator, the Christian Coalition, Citizens for a Sound Economy, Freedom Alliance, the Heritage Foundation, the NRA, the Western Journalism Center, the National Center for Public Policy Research, Fortress America and Citizens Against Government Waste.
List of liberal groups audited by the IRS under Clinton rule: none

Clinton's Kosovo policy, ostensibly used military force to save innocent Muslims from murderous Serbs, fell apart when victims of the genocide failed to materialize after a NATO search.

The list is almost endless, and I could continue it, if you like. In the meantime, since CNN, (Clinton News Network), just kept screaming that it was all about sex, no body paid any attention.

ahhhh.... well. I'm sure that you will just continue with personal insults to anyone that dares to disagree with you. Viva Democracy, eh?

Typical

[directfiesta]

Let's say all your rambling is true, for discussion purposes.

Does that excuses what the republicans are doing in the White House? Did they really restore Dignity and Honesty to it... Did DeLay do that ?

What would it take for you to condemn your party, or at least some members because of their actions. Would murder qualify ???

It is not very far from it now.

[RawAlex]

Directfiesta, you hit the nail on the head. Any time a republican gets caught doing anything, their answer isn't "oops" or "I confess" but rather "but look what Clinton did!".

It isn't about insults, it isn't about calling names... it is about taking responsbility for what you do.

Bush's staff is very obviously now involved in activities to intimidate people who attempt to use their right to free speech. Forget all the soldiers, the oil, whatever - the attck is right on your first amendment rights and your rights to live free safely.

In case you haven't figured it out, that is also why there is a war on porn, war on naughty radio, dirty TV, and 101 other things... all taking away your rights to free speech and to hear the free speech of others.

What Libby and his partners in crime did was try to shut up a commentator by putting one of his family members in peril. A threat, intimidation, blackmail. Call it what you like. The only thing saving a bunch of higher-ups in the republican group right now is that old buddy Scooter is lying like the Iraqi Information Minister.

Follow your nose... follow the ideas... who benefits from the actions?

At the end of the day, it lands on the boy's desk... and he isn't man enough to take responsibility.

Alex

[spanky part 2]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Directfiesta, you hit the nail on the head. Any time a republican gets caught doing anything, their answer isn't "oops" or "I confess" but rather "but look what Clinton did!".

It isn't about insults, it isn't about calling names... it is about taking responsbility for what you do.

Bush's staff is very obviously now involved in activities to intimidate people who attempt to use their right to free speech. Forget all the soldiers, the oil, whatever - the attck is right on your first amendment rights and your rights to live free safely.

In case you haven't figured it out, that is also why there is a war on porn, war on naughty radio, dirty TV, and 101 other things... all taking away your rights to free speech and to hear the free speech of others.

What Libby and his partners in crime did was try to shut up a commentator by putting one of his family members in peril. A threat, intimidation, blackmail. Call it what you like. The only thing saving a bunch of higher-ups in the republican group right now is that old buddy Scooter is lying like the Iraqi Information Minister.

Follow your nose... follow the ideas... who benefits from the actions?

At the end of the day, it lands on the boy's desk... and he isn't man enough to take responsibility.

Alex

Very well said.


I wonder what the "talking points" are gonna be on monday. Terror?
About time to pull out an Osama tape to try and scare the shit out of people again.

My bet is he's gonna name some really conservative fuck for supreme court. Probably on tues.

Take the heat off.