Why do programs post fake stats on GFY? - GoFuckYourself.com

andrej_NDC · 10-26-2005, 03:59 PM

Not talking about names, I lost respect for another program recently because of this. Why do programs do this? Why arent they rather quiet?

TurboAngel · 10-26-2005, 04:02 PM

No way fake stats?

;)

davethetruth · 10-26-2005, 04:03 PM

Because they think it makes them look cool, when in reality it makes them look foolish.

sicone · 10-26-2005, 04:05 PM

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Twenty inch blades -- on the Impala
A caller gettin laid tonight
Swisher rolled tight, gotta spray my ice
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Pornwolf · 10-26-2005, 04:05 PM

Hmm, who did this? Or... should I say who doesn't do this? LOL

breaker · 10-26-2005, 04:06 PM

One million sales!

sicone · 10-26-2005, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by breaker

One million sales!

by noon on a Sunday

Sosa · 10-26-2005, 04:09 PM

all I know is that nextdoorcash converts

pornpf69 · 10-26-2005, 04:09 PM

why would programs post fake stats?

FluxAds · 10-26-2005, 04:15 PM

Join our network! Every affiliate makes over $200k/month promoting our adult offers.
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what do you mean people fake stats? that's just not cool .

Rice_Master · 10-26-2005, 04:17 PM

how do you know it's fake, and what's wrong with posting stats?

andrej_NDC · 10-26-2005, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sosa

all I know is that nextdoorcash converts

Ramos · 10-26-2005, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sicone

Wanna be a -- baller, shot caller
Twenty inch blades -- on the Impala
A caller gettin laid tonight
Swisher rolled tight, gotta spray my ice
I hit the HIIIGHWAY, making money the FLYYYY WAY
But there's got to be a BETT-ER WAYY!
A better way, better way, YEAH-AHHHH

Hitting My Remote
Sitting in my shit

uvort · 10-26-2005, 04:28 PM

MetalCash converts 2:1!

Actually.. I think I am one of the only program owners that really does post his true stats.

sonofsam · 10-26-2005, 04:29 PM

i am converting at 10:1 across the board... 10 signups for every unique

mynetporn · 10-26-2005, 04:30 PM

I would have to assume to let us know what companies to avoid.

Either that or to let the IRS know.

dropped9 · 10-26-2005, 04:56 PM

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Tanker · 10-26-2005, 05:05 PM

I got 100 brazillian sales the first day I was open for business with MIP!

Webby · 10-26-2005, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

i am converting at 10:1 across the board... 10 signups for every unique

Sam.. I'm only doing 1:1 per raw, - any chance of some advice on how to improve this?

Sure sure.. on the affilate revenue, they seem to be doing better and earning an average of $180K/month.

RogerV · 10-26-2005, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rice_Master

how do you know it's fake, and what's wrong with posting stats?

Thats what I was thinking? how do you know

I know We convert better than everyone else. If not I'll pay you $100

Dirty Dane · 10-26-2005, 05:24 PM

Program post a ratio, affiliate gets dissappointed, program "marketing manager" offer to "help out" with his free website, affiliate gives better spots but become even more dissappointed and move on to another program...and its goes on and on.. same story

Best thing to do is to analyze your own stats once/twice a month and make changes. Its boring, but really worth the few hours spent on it.

PatrickKing · 10-26-2005, 05:26 PM

I have never posted stats. I think it's vapid. Sometimes we do well other times we are down.. A snapshot tells how things are going at that moment.
Moments change and I'd rather not give affiliates false expectations.

Fletch XXX · 10-26-2005, 05:26 PM

MetaMan · 10-26-2005, 05:27 PM

because Evil Chris is an idiot.

his famous:

"200 sales in one day on the hun" thread
and his famous
"convert 1:62 across the board" thread (or he said 1:82 something along those lines)

andrej_NDC · 10-27-2005, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rice_Master

how do you know it's fake

Either I saw those stats before with different numbers or dates or the owner makes some stupid mistake, like Dirty Danza for example. He was talking about 200 sales per day, then once he got mad at one guy and posted a screenshot of 212 sales I think, he told those are the stats for that actual day. Well, he didnt realized it was 8:00 AM in the admin stats, so he would be making 600 sales a day with such numbers until the morning.

flashfire · 10-27-2005, 03:36 AM

if your not converting better than 1:1 you must be a noob

tristan_D · 10-27-2005, 03:41 AM

and why would you believe everything posted on GFY that easily?

xclusive · 10-27-2005, 03:55 AM

I think it's foolish to bullshit a lot of people here are smart either be straight up or shut up as you will be found out

pradaboy · 10-27-2005, 04:11 AM

Because GFY consists of sheep and 90% of them believe that crap

MerlinK · 10-27-2005, 09:19 AM

True.. I wouldn't even post my highest converting stats (which are actually 1:41, for the past week), because I don't want more competition. ;)

Martin · 10-27-2005, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatrickKing

I have never posted stats. I think it's vapid. Sometimes we do well other times we are down.. A snapshot tells how things are going at that moment.
Moments change and I'd rather not give affiliates false expectations.

Right now Im dowwwwwwwn.... I'd be ashamed to post stats.

Dalai lama · 10-27-2005, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetaMan

because Evil Chris is an idiot.

his famous:

"200 sales in one day on the hun" thread
and his famous
"convert 1:62 across the board" thread (or he said 1:82 something along those lines)

200 would be 20
1:62 would be 1 lucky sale

Enderprise · 10-27-2005, 09:57 AM

It draws people to sign up, use their program, and then suddenly they are making money from sales driven to them by people who THOUGHT the ratios were better before sending their traffic. So, in the end, the webmaster gets screwed out of his traffic but must face the "It just doesn't convert well on your traffic it seems criticisms" from the program.

Dagwolf · 10-27-2005, 10:08 AM

Maybe it's fun to post fake stats? I'll try some later.

andrej_NDC · 10-28-2005, 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enderprise

It draws people to sign up, use their program, and then suddenly they are making money from sales driven to them by people who THOUGHT the ratios were better before sending their traffic. So, in the end, the webmaster gets screwed out of his traffic but must face the "It just doesn't convert well on your traffic it seems criticisms" from the program.

this would be it

Dirty F · 10-28-2005, 05:19 AM

People like evil chris are sad. They run some good sites. Make good money but dont have the brains for good business ethics. They want more and instead of giving support and helping webmasters to make more sales they start lying to attract more noobs. Hey 100 noobs sending 100 hits each = money without working for it.

Dirty F · 10-28-2005, 05:21 AM

Dirty Danza is another story. White trash. Dumb as fuck. No theory behind it like moron Chris. Just wants to brag with shit he doesnt have.

DirtyDanza · 10-29-2005, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck

Dirty Danza is another story. White trash. Dumb as fuck. No theory behind it like moron Chris. Just wants to brag with shit he doesnt have.

white trash because I like guns? your an idiot... franck why dont you send some traffic and see for yourself and if you do bad of legit traffic that you convert everywhere else i will eat my words how's that... I will throw in my sig francks bitch... and give all my exits to sponsors of your choice with your ref code for a month... if you think I don't convert ... thats a fair deal...

fetishblog · 10-29-2005, 11:03 AM

Haha, why even ask a silly question like this.

If I said I had ratios of 1:75 you'd say O RLY and sign up faster then a speeding fart.

If I said I had ratios of 1:1359871395871365, you'd laugh and go somewhere else.

Rinaldo · 10-29-2005, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV

Thats what I was thinking? how do you know

I know We convert better than everyone else. If not I'll pay you $100

You definitely convert well my man.
We're doing well ourselves also.

I don't think programs post fake stats, but they do sometimes post stats that don't accurate reflect the entire program's results.

For instance I may have an affiliate that converts 1:3, I could say that we convert traffic at 1:3 but it's not accurately telling you how well the entire lot of webmasters are converting.

Alex From San Diego · 10-29-2005, 11:51 AM

It's all about marketing. Why do most affiliate programs say they have the most unique program out there and then when you go to check them out, they are exactly the same as the thousands out there?

Who really cares anyway? If you think the stats are fake, then they are fake IYO but for everyone person who think stats are faked here on GFY, there is one who will believe it and check the program out. No harm, no foul

sumphatpimp · 10-29-2005, 12:02 PM

because photoshop makes it possible and their is always a stupid noob to believe it.

tranza · 10-29-2005, 12:13 PM

Because newbies will buy it.

pornguy · 10-29-2005, 12:19 PM

I can convert your traffic at 1:3. No shit.

hehehhe

John Marco · 10-29-2005, 12:40 PM

I believe the problem programs have is that affiliates sometimes don't grasp that different traffic sources have vastly different ratios. It is very hard from a program's perspective to answer the question "What are your ratios?" There are just too many factors to give an accurate answer and also too many to believe the answer given. Some factors are:

1. Traffic sources
2. Marketing Methods
3. Promotional Material used
4. Time of day most sales occur
5. A lot of other minute factors -- and also, programs themselves can't get a good indication unless they are looking at figures for 100's of sales.

The problem programs run into is that they have to paint a picture of a better 'conversion ratio' because that is what other programs do. Also, getting on boards boasting of success becomes self-fulfilling. "Oh, that program gets 1000 joins/day. They must be stable and convert well if they are getting that much traffic. I should try them!"

At the end of the day, all that should really matter to affiliates is how much money a program earns them. Choose who you promote based on quality of sites and your earning results. Also, don't send 500 clicks to a program and expect to get 3 sales right away. You have to send 10k's of clicks before you can figure out a real ratio because it is random.

detoxed · 10-29-2005, 12:43 PM

Well who posts fake stats? Name some names or stop wasting our time.

detoxed · 10-29-2005, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Marco

I believe the problem programs have is that affiliates sometimes don't grasp that different traffic sources have vastly different ratios. It is very hard from a program's perspective to answer the question "What are your ratios?" There are just too many factors to give an accurate answer and also too many to believe the answer given. Some factors are:

1. Traffic sources
2. Marketing Methods
3. Promotional Material used
4. Time of day most sales occur
5. A lot of other minute factors -- and also, programs themselves can't get a good indication unless they are looking at figures for 100's of sales.

The problem programs run into is that they have to paint a picture of a better 'conversion ratio' because that is what other programs do. Also, getting on boards boasting of success becomes self-fulfilling. "Oh, that program gets 1000 joins/day. They must be stable and convert well if they are getting that much traffic. I should try them!"

At the end of the day, all that should really matter to affiliates is how much money a program earns them. Choose who you promote based on quality of sites and your earning results. Also, don't send 500 clicks to a program and expect to get 3 sales right away. You have to send 10k's of clicks before you can figure out a real ratio because it is random.

good post. people should also know their traffic well enough to guess conversions pretty closely before even sending trafic. guess that takes some time though.

BlackCrayon · 10-29-2005, 12:45 PM

Programs Who Post Fake Stats Just Prove How Dishonest They Are And Probably Are Being On Their Backend...

quantum-x · 10-29-2005, 12:52 PM

1:3? Maybe not that good, but that type of thing is completely possible.

Pimproll

or

BangBros.

No photoshop.
Not join page hits.

jaYMan · 10-29-2005, 12:56 PM

dont you think one of the sponsors being quoted would look and match and call bullshit?

those are real deal ;)

Qx kicks ass.

10-26-2005, 03:59 PM	#1
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	Why do programs post fake stats on GFY? Not talking about names, I lost respect for another program recently because of this. Why do programs do this? Why arent they rather quiet?

10-26-2005, 04:03 PM	#3
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10-26-2005, 04:05 PM	#4
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10-26-2005, 04:05 PM	#5
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10-26-2005, 04:06 PM	#6
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10-26-2005, 04:02 PM	#2
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10-26-2005, 04:09 PM	#8
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10-26-2005, 04:15 PM	#10
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10-26-2005, 04:17 PM	#11
Rice_Master Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,582	how do you know it's fake, and what's wrong with posting stats? __________________ Icq: 31706665

10-26-2005, 04:28 PM	#14
uvort Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Metalcash.com Posts: 3,580	MetalCash converts 2:1! Actually.. I think I am one of the only program owners that really does post his true stats. __________________ See Sig. 199907143

10-26-2005, 04:29 PM	#15
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	i am converting at 10:1 across the board... 10 signups for every unique __________________ I like turtles.

10-26-2005, 04:30 PM	#16
mynetporn Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: FL Posts: 1,154	I would have to assume to let us know what companies to avoid. Either that or to let the IRS know.

10-26-2005, 04:56 PM	#17
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10-26-2005, 05:05 PM	#18
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10-26-2005, 05:24 PM	#21
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	Program post a ratio, affiliate gets dissappointed, program "marketing manager" offer to "help out" with his free website, affiliate gives better spots but become even more dissappointed and move on to another program...and its goes on and on.. same story Best thing to do is to analyze your own stats once/twice a month and make changes. Its boring, but really worth the few hours spent on it. Last edited by Dirty Dane; 10-26-2005 at 05:25 PM..

10-26-2005, 05:26 PM	#22
PatrickKing Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Looking in your hahahahahaha. Posts: 2,096	I have never posted stats. I think it's vapid. Sometimes we do well other times we are down.. A snapshot tells how things are going at that moment. Moments change and I'd rather not give affiliates false expectations. __________________ [email protected]

10-26-2005, 05:26 PM	#23
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10-26-2005, 05:27 PM	#24
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	because Evil Chris is an idiot. his famous: "200 sales in one day on the hun" thread and his famous "convert 1:62 across the board" thread (or he said 1:82 something along those lines) Last edited by MetaMan; 10-26-2005 at 05:28 PM..

10-27-2005, 03:36 AM	#26
flashfire ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13,098	if your not converting better than 1:1 you must be a noob

10-27-2005, 03:41 AM	#27
tristan_D Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 7,865	and why would you believe everything posted on GFY that easily? __________________ Increase your sales. Up to $4 per click.

10-27-2005, 03:55 AM	#28
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10-27-2005, 04:11 AM	#29
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10-27-2005, 09:19 AM	#30
MerlinK Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 453	True.. I wouldn't even post my highest converting stats (which are actually 1:41, for the past week), because I don't want more competition. ;) __________________ I buy domain names - if you're selling a .com with traffic, please ICQ me 313-846-394

10-27-2005, 09:57 AM	#33
Enderprise Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 95	It draws people to sign up, use their program, and then suddenly they are making money from sales driven to them by people who THOUGHT the ratios were better before sending their traffic. So, in the end, the webmaster gets screwed out of his traffic but must face the "It just doesn't convert well on your traffic it seems criticisms" from the program.

10-27-2005, 10:08 AM	#34
Dagwolf President of Canada Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leaving Hell, Entering Limbo Posts: 23,141	Maybe it's fun to post fake stats? I'll try some later. __________________ Sleep well, and dream of large women.

10-28-2005, 05:19 AM	#36
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	People like evil chris are sad. They run some good sites. Make good money but dont have the brains for good business ethics. They want more and instead of giving support and helping webmasters to make more sales they start lying to attract more noobs. Hey 100 noobs sending 100 hits each = money without working for it.

10-28-2005, 05:21 AM	#37
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Dirty Danza is another story. White trash. Dumb as fuck. No theory behind it like moron Chris. Just wants to brag with shit he doesnt have.

10-29-2005, 11:03 AM	#39
fetishblog Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Your mom is my favorite pornstar!#% Posts: 5,995	Haha, why even ask a silly question like this. If I said I had ratios of 1:75 you'd say O RLY and sign up faster then a speeding fart. If I said I had ratios of 1:1359871395871365, you'd laugh and go somewhere else. __________________ Fling.com doesn't steal your traffic and sales unlike some other dating companies. I promote them, and so should you!

10-29-2005, 11:51 AM	#41
Alex From San Diego Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,642	It's all about marketing. Why do most affiliate programs say they have the most unique program out there and then when you go to check them out, they are exactly the same as the thousands out there? Who really cares anyway? If you think the stats are fake, then they are fake IYO but for everyone person who think stats are faked here on GFY, there is one who will believe it and check the program out. No harm, no foul __________________ We are what we repeatedly do.-Aristotle

10-29-2005, 12:02 PM	#42
sumphatpimp Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,235	because photoshop makes it possible and their is always a stupid noob to believe it.

10-29-2005, 12:13 PM	#43
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Because newbies will buy it. __________________ I'm just a newbie.

10-29-2005, 12:19 PM	#44
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10-29-2005, 12:40 PM	#45
John Marco Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 912	I believe the problem programs have is that affiliates sometimes don't grasp that different traffic sources have vastly different ratios. It is very hard from a program's perspective to answer the question "What are your ratios?" There are just too many factors to give an accurate answer and also too many to believe the answer given. Some factors are: 1. Traffic sources 2. Marketing Methods 3. Promotional Material used 4. Time of day most sales occur 5. A lot of other minute factors -- and also, programs themselves can't get a good indication unless they are looking at figures for 100's of sales. The problem programs run into is that they have to paint a picture of a better 'conversion ratio' because that is what other programs do. Also, getting on boards boasting of success becomes self-fulfilling. "Oh, that program gets 1000 joins/day. They must be stable and convert well if they are getting that much traffic. I should try them!" At the end of the day, all that should really matter to affiliates is how much money a program earns them. Choose who you promote based on quality of sites and your earning results. Also, don't send 500 clicks to a program and expect to get 3 sales right away. You have to send 10k's of clicks before you can figure out a real ratio because it is random. __________________ WEBCAMS.COM $42+ PPS or revshare ICQ: 476-111 Google Talk: Webcams.com Last edited by John Marco; 10-29-2005 at 12:41 PM..

10-29-2005, 12:43 PM	#46
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	Well who posts fake stats? Name some names or stop wasting our time.