People of the world, lets face the facts: Most "Americans" are your saviors. - GoFuckYourself.com

Cory W · 10-26-2005, 11:10 AM

Why do ?Americans? feel as though they are personal world saviors because they pay taxes? Or because they were born into wealth, they must elaborate on all the world?s shortcomings. I was born into low-income, quickly my family rose into a more suburban, middle-class lifestyle. I have no idea what being born into poverty would be like; therefore, I shut my mouth.

?Americans? seem to think impoverished Africans are ?lazy? and deserve what they get. Even when our own are in need (New Orleans), we seem to judge how different it would be if we were in the same situation; of course you can always know how you would react if you were born into poverty, had no education and a category 4 hurricane swept your little trailer away.

So insightful!

The world did not begin with ?America,? nor will it continue on revolving around ?America.? Read a little history and you will see that the writing is on the wall.

I have said this before, ?Americans? should not be allowed to babble on (nor vote) on world issues unless they have stamps on their passport that are more extensive than Cabo. Just because you have stayed at a resort in Puerto Vallarta, it doesn?t mean you have ?seen the world.? Reading books on other places will only get you so far. Living in Idaho all your life as a Republican really doesn?t justify some esoteric knowledge that all others across our vast oceans are not privileged with. Just because your neighbor is "half-Pakistani" and you let him borrow your lawnmower once, it doesn't make you cultured. Your parents paying for you college education or you deferring government education loans your whole life doesn?t deem you ?successful.?

And remember, YOU didn't free anyone in Iraq or Vietnam unless YOU put on some boots and strapped an automatic weapon to your shoulder.

So the next time ?Americans? get the urge to babble on about the world, they should book a flight and go see all of America. This includes: Chile, Peru, Brazil, Argentina?etc.

I love living in The United States, I just don?t understand how so many people essentially are aloof to where they stand.

That was my rant for the day, carry on.

baddog · 10-26-2005, 11:14 AM

ummm, since when did individual American citizens ever vote on "world issues?"

Fletch XXX · 10-26-2005, 11:15 AM

Cory W · 10-26-2005, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

ummm, since when did individual American citizens ever vote on "world issues?"

Via normal elections. I should have been more precise, or less precise? haha.

You elect a president because of "world views," .....

Pleasurepays · 10-26-2005, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Via normal elections. I should have been more precise, or less precise? haha.

You elect a president because of "world views," .....

people generally elect a president based whether he is a democrat or republican... nothing more.

baddog · 10-26-2005, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Via normal elections. I should have been more precise, or less precise? haha.

You elect a president because of "world views," .....

Okay, I hope we have a communication breakdown here . . . are you suggesting that you cast your vote based on what people in other countries might want?

websiex · 10-26-2005, 11:21 AM

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You elect a president because of "world views," .....

Because America is the only superpower in the world and makes a lot of decisions that affect the world; thus, Americans must take into account the President's world views.

Most third world countries don't have any global influence, that's why you don't hear that issue in most other countries political elections.

Phoenix · 10-26-2005, 11:23 AM

trouble is the voting system itself is now in the hands of a crime family

how can you win

Cory W · 10-26-2005, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Okay, I hope we have a communication breakdown here . . . are you suggesting that you cast your vote based on what people in other countries might want?

I am being sarcastic for the most part.

For example, one might vote on a president that is aggressive in staging war in other countries, etc. I should remove that comment, it was intended as sarcasm, rather than a serious plan. More a shot at the fact that too many "Americans" feel that the world should revolve around our lifestyle (Religion).

I agree with Pleasurepays though.

BradM · 10-26-2005, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

people generally elect a president based whether he is a democrat or republican... nothing more.

Exactly. I vote for the democrats because I like blue. I don't really care what candidate is up there. I just happen to think blue is pretty. If the president has a staunch "fuck-euro" stance, that's fine I didn't vote for him because he's a good diplomat... I just like blue.

You're a dumbass.

Cory W · 10-26-2005, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Exactly. I vote for the democrats because I like blue. I don't really care what candidate is up there. I just happen to think blue is pretty. If the president has a staunch "fuck-euro" stance, that's fine I didn't vote for him because he's a good diplomat... I just like blue.

You're a dumbass.

I tend to disagree Brad. I think he is right for the most part. Staunch Republicans are just that, same with Staunch Democrats.

baddog · 10-26-2005, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

I tend to disagree Brad. I think he is right for the most part. Staunch Republicans are just that, same with Staunch Democrats.

Canadians that think they understand our political process are here for our amusement. That is why both Brads posted in this thread.

Cory W · 10-26-2005, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Canadians that think they understand our political process are here for our amusement. That is why both Brads posted in this thread.

"Americans" tend to do the same thing? Agree or disagree?

They always comment on other countries beliefs?

I should have left out the voting portion, it confused my point.

Pleasurepays · 10-26-2005, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Exactly. I vote for the democrats because I like blue. I don't really care what candidate is up there. I just happen to think blue is pretty. If the president has a staunch "fuck-euro" stance, that's fine I didn't vote for him because he's a good diplomat... I just like blue.

You're a dumbass.

i am a dumbass? are you so fucking stupid that you dont know that the US is polarized by two political parties, each representing approximately 50% of the voters?

Kard63 · 10-26-2005, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Exactly. I vote for the democrats because I like blue. I don't really care what candidate is up there. I just happen to think blue is pretty. If the president has a staunch "fuck-euro" stance, that's fine I didn't vote for him because he's a good diplomat... I just like blue.

You're a dumbass.

Is that why your balls are blue ?

Peaches · 10-26-2005, 11:31 AM

America donates a huge amount of $$$ to just about every other country and has one of the most generous welfare programs for our own citizens. That money comes from taxpayers. It's a reasonable assumption for the average Joe to believe he's doing something to help those less fortunate in the world.

Phoenix · 10-26-2005, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Canadians that think they understand our political process are here for our amusement. That is why both Brads posted in this thread.

your government is for our amusement..it is the laughing stock of the world

NUCULAR

Phoenix · 10-26-2005, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i am a dumbass? are you so fucking stupid that you dont know that the US is polarized by two political parties, each representing approximately 50% of the voters?

if you want to rig an election it is best to keep it close

you know it is funny..in the many years that asshat has been in power..i have yet to meet anyone exceot for a few wacky webmasters like 12 clicks who have voted for him.

go out and ask five of your friends if they voted for him..and get them to ask five of their friends and so on...i bet by the time you have asked 3125 people..i bet you will see maybe 30 bush voters.

baddog · 10-26-2005, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

"Americans" tend to do the same thing? Agree or disagree?

They always comment on other countries beliefs?

For the most part, I don't think Americans give a damn about what Canadians, Euros, Asians, Indians, Africans, Kiwis, Aussies or anyone else does with their political process.

Hell, if GFY is any gauge, the citizens of those countries/continents don't get as involved in discussions about their politics as they do about our politics. They can't help but jump into a discussion about what we are doing, but they never seem to talk about what is going on in their own house.

BradM · 10-26-2005, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

your government is for our amusement..it is the laughing stock of the world

NUCULAR

I am a political science major, I have taken American Government 100+200 while in the states.
I know more about your country than you do you conservative tool. Go vote for some war, since we all know you don't have the balls to actually fight one yourself.in the states

Cory W · 10-26-2005, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

For the most part, I don't think Americans give a damn about what Canadians, Euros, Asians, Indians, Africans, Kiwis, Aussies or anyone else does with their political process.

Hell, if GFY is any gauge, the citizens of those countries/continents don't get as involved in discussions about their politics as they do about our politics. They can't help but jump into a discussion about what we are doing, but they never seem to talk about what is going on in their own house.

Great point.

baddog · 10-26-2005, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

your government is for our amusement..it is the laughing stock of the world

Yeah, that is why we have so many people sneaking across our borders. How many people from the US are trying to get into Canada, Germany, Cuba, France . . . the list goes on.

baddog · 10-26-2005, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

if you want to rig an election it is best to keep it close

you know it is funny..in the many years that asshat has been in power..i have yet to meet anyone exceot for a few wacky webmasters like 12 clicks who have voted for him.

go out and ask five of your friends if they voted for him..and get them to ask five of their friends and so on...i bet by the time you have asked 3125 people..i bet you will see maybe 30 bush voters.

You are one of the funnier people I know.

Kard63 · 10-26-2005, 11:39 AM

wrong thread...

BradM · 10-26-2005, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Great point.

Do you know why that is?

Think of you as Rome. I am a Gaul. My leader comes to my house (a gaul leader) and rapes me in the ass. The entire time I am scared, but not of the gaul. I am afraid a Roman is going to come and rape and kill my leader, and then me too.

Sure our governments may be fucked - and our own countries may need overhauls. But you are the war machine of the new century (and the second half of the last one) so the world has a say in what you do. Especially when you're out blasting the fuck out of innocent people every day.

Don't be a close minded metro fag Cory. Think.

Fletch XXX · 10-26-2005, 11:40 AM

The REAL question is, how many people that vote actually attend demonstrations or protests?

True Americans protest and demonstrate resistance.

http://www.canorml.org/

baddog · 10-26-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

I am a political science major, I have taken American Government 100+200 while in the states.
I know more about your country than you do you conservative tool. Go vote for some war, since we all know you don't have the balls to actually fight one yourself.in the states

Who are you addressing? Phoenix?

Phoenix · 10-26-2005, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradM

I am a political science major, I have taken American Government 100+200 while in the states.
I know more about your country than you do you conservative tool. Go vote for some war, since we all know you don't have the balls to actually fight one yourself.in the states

Im CDN..you cracka jack

Kevsh · 10-26-2005, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

America donates a huge amount of $$$ to just about every other country and has one of the most generous welfare programs for our own citizens. That money comes from taxpayers. It's a reasonable assumption for the average Joe to believe he's doing something to help those less fortunate in the world.

From an outside POV, I don't see that America is doing a very good job to help it's own. Forget New Orleans, decisions made in the US are almost inevitably geared toward keeping the rich wealthy and the poor in poverty.

America may be the home of democracy but it sets a bad example - Bush comes off as merely a tool of large corporations and when you see so many examples of pandering to big business, it's pretty clear the power is not in the people's hands. (Remember the lift on the assault/automatic weapons ban? How in any way, shape or form did that "help" anyone except the companies making and selling them?)

Again, just an outside view based mostly on what the (biased) media reports, but hey, sometimes looking from the outside in makes the truth much easier to find.

Phoenix · 10-26-2005, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Yeah, that is why we have so many people sneaking across our borders. How many people from the US are trying to get into Canada, Germany, Cuba, France . . . the list goes on.

they sneak across your border as it borders their country

check the map for the place under the united states

Cory W · 10-26-2005, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Do you know why that is?

Think of you as Rome. I am a Gaul. My leader comes to my house (a gaul leader) and rapes me in the ass. The entire time I am scared, but not of the gaul. I am afraid a Roman is going to come and rape and kill my leader, and then me too.

Sure our governments may be fucked - and our own countries may need overhauls. But you are the war machine of the new century (and the second half of the last one) so the world has a say in what you do. Especially when you're out blasting the fuck out of innocent people every day.

Don't be a close minded metro fag Cory. Think.

I actually take the word Fag as a compliment.

However, I can't explain why.

georgeyw · 10-26-2005, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

your government is for our amusement..it is the laughing stock of the world

NUCULAR

EXACTLY!

ffs - what other nation would EVER vote a retard like Bush into power?

baddog · 10-26-2005, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Do you know why that is?

Think of you as Rome. I am a Gaul. My leader comes to my house (a gaul leader) and rapes me in the ass. The entire time I am scared, but not of the gaul. I am afraid a Roman is going to come and rape and kill my leader, and then me too.

Sure our governments may be fucked - and our own countries may need overhauls. But you are the war machine of the new century (and the second half of the last one) so the world has a say in what you do. Especially when you're out blasting the fuck out of innocent people every day.

Don't be a close minded metro fag Cory. Think.

I have always thought you were an idiot, but you have really proved it here.

I have to admire how you don't mind being anally raped and are willing to come out of the closet about it.

baddog · 10-26-2005, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

they sneak across your border as it borders their country

check the map for the place under the united states

Wrong answer. I personally know many people from Europe, Australia, New Zealand that have snuck into our country hoping to stay. Some have even gone through the trouble of getting married so they can get a green card.

Cory W · 10-26-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Wrong answer. I personally know many people from Europe, Australia, New Zealand that have snuck into our country hoping to stay. Some have even gone through the trouble of getting married so they can get a green card.

I snuck into Tijuana once.

Peaches · 10-26-2005, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevsh

From an outside POV, I don't see that America is doing a very good job to help it's own. Forget New Orleans, decisions made in the US are almost inevitably geared toward keeping the rich wealthy and the poor in poverty.

America may be the home of democracy but it sets a bad example - Bush comes off as merely a tool of large corporations and when you see so many examples of pandering to big business, it's pretty clear the power is not in the people's hands. (Remember the lift on the assault/automatic weapons ban? How in any way, shape or form did that "help" anyone except the companies making and selling them?)

Again, just an outside view based mostly on what the (biased) media reports, but hey, sometimes looking from the outside in makes the truth much easier to find.

The "poor" in America are much better off than the poor in other countries. It's hard to find someone who doesn't have at least 1 color TV and if you're truly poor, you get free food, free housing, free medical care, free education, etc.

There are WAY too many stories of people starting from nothing and being successful in the US (and many of them immigrating from other countries) for it to be possible that you're stuck in poverty.
A

SilentKnight · 10-26-2005, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Hell, if GFY is any gauge, the citizens of those countries/continents don't get as involved in discussions about their politics as they do about our politics. They can't help but jump into a discussion about what we are doing, but they never seem to talk about what is going on in their own house.

GFY is an American-based webmaster forum that aheres to American-based legal requirements...so I'd say its only natural for there to be predominantly American-based political discussions.

Canadians are directly impacted by American politics simply because of the geographic and social proximities - so it would be foolish for us NOT to observe and comment on American politics. Not to forget that although our content is Canadian-produced, some of our websites have American-based hosting.

SilentKnight

georgeyw · 10-26-2005, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Wrong answer. I personally know many people from Europe, Australia, New Zealand that have snuck into our country hoping to stay. Some have even gone through the trouble of getting married so they can get a green card.

Omg - ok so how many? give us a break down too....

I've not met a single European, Australian or Kiwi that would rather live in America. Australia and NZ are far better places to live.

Libertine · 10-26-2005, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

America donates a huge amount of $$$ to just about every other country and has one of the most generous welfare programs for our own citizens. That money comes from taxpayers. It's a reasonable assumption for the average Joe to believe he's doing something to help those less fortunate in the world.

Both of your points are simply untrue.

When it comes to international aid, the US is a relatively stingy country. Its foreign aid as a percentage of gdp is much lower than that of most wealthy countries. Furthermore, most of its foreign aid is actually aid to strategic partners like Israel, which up until 3 years ago received more aid than the entire continent of Africa (I don't know if that has changed by now, but I haven't seen the latest numbers yet).

America only has one of the most generous welfare programs for its own citizens if you exclude most of western Europe from the comparison, which makes it a rather empty statement.

Pleasurepays · 10-26-2005, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

Omg - ok so how many? give us a break down too....

I've not met a single European, Australian or Kiwi that would rather live in America. Australia and NZ are far better places to live.

when you live in the US, you meet them everyday.

SetTheWorldonFire · 10-26-2005, 12:15 PM

Live and let live

BE PROUD OF WHO YOU ARE AND NOT WHO YOU WANT TO BE!

georgeyw · 10-26-2005, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

when you live in the US, you meet them everyday.

Yes - and you'll find many Americans living in Australia too.

DateDoc · 10-26-2005, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

I am a political science major, I have taken American Government 100+200 while in the states.
I know more about your country than you do you conservative tool. Go vote for some war, since we all know you don't have the balls to actually fight one yourself.in the states

Haha, hope you read those books for class a little better than you can read this board.

baddog · 10-26-2005, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

Omg - ok so how many? give us a break down too....

I've not met a single European, Australian or Kiwi that would rather live in America. Australia and NZ are far better places to live.

There are people on this board that I know are here on a green card, however, I doubt they would appreciate me outing them.

Sly · 10-26-2005, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

I am a political science major, I have taken American Government 100+200 while in the states.
I know more about your country than you do you conservative tool. Go vote for some war, since we all know you don't have the balls to actually fight one yourself.in the states

Wow. Are you really a political science major? Have you really taken "American Government 100 and 200? Holy shit! Give me a second while I drop to my knees and worship your holiness. I'm glad your 12 months in what, Orange County, have taught you everything you'll ever need to know about Americans.

Los Angeles, California is not Springfield, Illinois. They may as well be different countries.

PenisFace · 10-26-2005, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

For the most part, I don't think Americans give a damn about what Canadians, Euros, Asians, Indians, Africans, Kiwis, Aussies or anyone else does with their political process.

Hell, if GFY is any gauge, the citizens of those countries/continents don't get as involved in discussions about their politics as they do about our politics. They can't help but jump into a discussion about what we are doing, but they never seem to talk about what is going on in their own house.

I agree. The only time I talk about my own government here in Canada, or my provincial government here in BC, is when I'm venting. Our government is fucked beyond all recognition, and most of us recognize this. Likewise, I feel the same about the American government, be it federal or state. I jump in on american political discussions because I have a hard time comprehending why so many people down south don't feel the same way about their shoddy government, as i feel about mine. Governments are evil. I don't care how nice and friendly a countries government may be. It's still evil. What has government done? Turn people against one another, cause hatred that leads to wars and trade embargos. And all war and trade embargo's lead to is more death and more hate. And death and hate lead to more wars and trade embargos. It's a viscious circle that will not end until our species ceases to exist.

Sly · 10-26-2005, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

Omg - ok so how many? give us a break down too....

I've not met a single European, Australian or Kiwi that would rather live in America. Australia and NZ are far better places to live.

Its kind of funny you bring this up.

The other day my friend and I were talking about various countries to live. And based off of what I read here on GFY, Christ I didn't think anyone wanted to move to the United States. So I made some comment like "Germans don't want to come here". He just came back from Germany about 6 months ago and his reply was "yes they do, they think the United States is great."

I was shocked I guess. Of course, what he said totally depends on the group of people he was spending time with which happened to be people in their early 20's. That just goes to show you how the people posting here on GFY or anywhere really have only one opinion of many representing their country.

Another thing I find interesting... I always hear so much bad about our country. People complaining, whining, bitching, whatever. Then you go out to maybe a baseball game, a concert, a show of some sort... and up front somebody stands up and says the Pledge, waves a flag, lends a supportive word to the military, and the crowd goes crazy. People stand up, clap, cheer, nobody is sitting down. Where are the haters then? Or is it just another instance of group mentality, just like the "hate rallies"?

Sly · 10-26-2005, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PenisFace

I jump in on american political discussions because I have a hard time comprehending why so many people down south don't feel the same way about their shoddy government, as i feel about mine. Governments are evil. I don't care how nice and friendly a countries government may be. It's still evil.

Nobody really "likes" their government.

Its actually pretty hypocritical. I can complain about my government, but you can't. :-) People complain about the government ALL the time, even me, but I will still defend it against other people calling it "evil". I expect you to do the same, and I'm sure you do, you just don't realize it.

PenisFace · 10-26-2005, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Nobody really "likes" their government.

Its actually pretty hypocritical. I can complain about my government, but you can't. :-) People complain about the government ALL the time, even me, but I will still defend it against other people calling it "evil". I expect you to do the same, and I'm sure you do, you just don't realize it.

I've never actually defending my government during an argument. If someone points out how my government put 1 billion dollars into the garbage chopper in the sink, in a failed gun registration program, I'd agree that it was quite retarded. If someone laughed at our meth addicted car thieves who steal 100 cars, attempt to fire guns randomly out windows, cause several traffic accidents while doing 90 mph down a city street, and then get sentanced to 3 years in jail, but get out after 9 months, I'd agree that our justice system and the people who come up with laws and punishments are also retarded. I'd also agree that our prime minister (both current paul martin and previous john creten) is a turd and should be fired. The only thing Canada has done that I'm proud of is its involvement in ww2, and its peace keeping operations around the world. Other than that, Canada is about as usefull as a broken foot. But do I still love living here? You bet. I can put up with a shitass government, if the trade off is friendly people, and a high standard of living.

Sly · 10-26-2005, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PenisFace

But do I still love living here? You bet. I can put up with a shitass government, if the trade off is friendly people, and a high standard of living.

:-)

Pros and cons are everywhere.

10-26-2005, 11:10 AM	#1
Cory W Deeply shallow Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood, Ca. Posts: 9,133	People of the world, lets face the facts: Most "Americans" are your saviors. Why do ?Americans? feel as though they are personal world saviors because they pay taxes? Or because they were born into wealth, they must elaborate on all the world?s shortcomings. I was born into low-income, quickly my family rose into a more suburban, middle-class lifestyle. I have no idea what being born into poverty would be like; therefore, I shut my mouth. ?Americans? seem to think impoverished Africans are ?lazy? and deserve what they get. Even when our own are in need (New Orleans), we seem to judge how different it would be if we were in the same situation; of course you can always know how you would react if you were born into poverty, had no education and a category 4 hurricane swept your little trailer away. So insightful! The world did not begin with ?America,? nor will it continue on revolving around ?America.? Read a little history and you will see that the writing is on the wall. I have said this before, ?Americans? should not be allowed to babble on (nor vote) on world issues unless they have stamps on their passport that are more extensive than Cabo. Just because you have stayed at a resort in Puerto Vallarta, it doesn?t mean you have ?seen the world.? Reading books on other places will only get you so far. Living in Idaho all your life as a Republican really doesn?t justify some esoteric knowledge that all others across our vast oceans are not privileged with. Just because your neighbor is "half-Pakistani" and you let him borrow your lawnmower once, it doesn't make you cultured. Your parents paying for you college education or you deferring government education loans your whole life doesn?t deem you ?successful.? And remember, YOU didn't free anyone in Iraq or Vietnam unless YOU put on some boots and strapped an automatic weapon to your shoulder. So the next time ?Americans? get the urge to babble on about the world, they should book a flight and go see all of America. This includes: Chile, Peru, Brazil, Argentina?etc. I love living in The United States, I just don?t understand how so many people essentially are aloof to where they stand. That was my rant for the day, carry on. __________________ ICQ: 292310358 Offering writing and content services (mainstream). Marketing for L3 Payments

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	The REAL question is, how many people that vote actually attend demonstrations or protests? True Americans protest and demonstrate resistance. http://www.canorml.org/ __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	ummm, since when did individual American citizens ever vote on "world issues?"

10-26-2005, 11:31 AM	#16
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	America donates a huge amount of $$$ to just about every other country and has one of the most generous welfare programs for our own citizens. That money comes from taxpayers. It's a reasonable assumption for the average Joe to believe he's doing something to help those less fortunate in the world.

10-26-2005, 12:15 PM	#41
SetTheWorldonFire Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: California Posts: 7,444	Live and let live BE PROUD OF WHO YOU ARE AND NOT WHO YOU WANT TO BE! __________________ www.STWOFDesign.com hit me up on icq 154206276 or Skype: JaimeGizzle