50.........

I've explained this many times. I sold all my sites years ago and have been doing consulting teaching FOR people for a while now. I am currently working on my own sites and once they are doing well I won't be teaching anymore. I have posted here many times to get students and have taught many people now - all happy.

call me crazy... but how can you be a search engine expert and be broke?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


edit: guess i am not the only one who found that to be a little comical.

Has anyone here paid this guy?

read the replies from happy students.. plenty of testimonials in this thread.

damn, did you make any money yet?

instead of people paying me, i just offer my services for free :1orglaugh

Right.... link exchanges maybe, or ah, someone to tell me how to make one of my 100 shitty websites convert would work too :P

ahh, there are TONS of places looking to hire people with SEO skills. Six figure here in LA, dunno in BC tho.

Listen to me dude, don't talk about ranking a site first in 90 days and not expect people to bitch at you, sanbox???? do you kno what is that???
haha idiot

Simple to avoid, begin with an existing "older" site. That should go without saying.

Also..he has stated many times its for msn and yahoo...there is no such thing as a sandbox when working with them.

This guy has been begging me for the past months to get his class for $1000.00. I avoided it, because if he was a true SEO guy, he wouldn't be begging for work. Top SEO experts are making big $$$$ and they don't have time to teach people. They never beg for work, clients go to them, it sounds very fishy, and sounds like he is unsagacious.

IMO this is what I see a lot (but not meaning this guy is, but who knows...)

Situation #1
Someone just went to Barnes and Nobles and bought a large coffee and picked up SEO for Dummies and read the first 3 chapters. Immedately, they become and "SEO Expert" and pay to join wmw and post about their extreme seo knowledge and how you should cram your site with meta tags and tons of links.

Situation #2
someone has a site reg'd for a few years, and decides to make some simple changes they saw on a forum. add some alt tags, title tags and what do you konw, they are now ranked for some BS. instantly, they quit their job working at burger king and drop their resume to all teh seo firms within a 30 mile radius

Situation #3 (my favorite)
you know a friend, or someone did some seo work for your site. you see what the chages are, and then think you can get people to pay you for those. post all over the net and pay $200 bucks for a shitty website saying you are an "SEO Expert" and "SEO Certified"


I see this crap all the time. i get phone calls and emails from "SEO Firms" wanting to seo my sites. here is the simple truth... I DONT HAVE TIME TO DO MY OWN SITES, FUCK OFF

Anyone can be an seo expert because there is no certification. the only half ass attempt at an seo test is from www.expertrating.com Ive actually had clients ask "are you seo certified?" because shitheads claim they are.

My FREE SEO GUIDE (not really free)

1. read SEO for Dummies (good book actually)
2. Read Google Hacks
3. Start making chages to your own site and see if they work

SEO forums IMO are junk (most of them) because they are all people who just read one book, or glazed over another forum.

anyway, im going to drink now!

Yahoo and MSN is fairly easy to spam. Especially MSN.
Google is harder. At least through unconventional methods.
We just lost 50k google traffic in 24 hours :/
Maybe jojojo took it from us!

Thats because MSN & Yahoo dont care about reg time, unlike google. Google should because they do 80% of web traffic everyday (i.e. google, aol, askjeeves, blah blah blah)

you can also pay to be in yahoo's results (SHHHHHH :winkwink: ) look around, im sure you will find out where to send your money. Google on the other hand, not a chance.

um yeah... Yes I said I don't need the fucking money right away because its fucking 500 bucks. but how long was that in the past now
6 months or even a year?
did you think I was putting up links for free?
don't write about me like that... seriously
old ass links ... you gotto be kidding me

In your defense, anyone can use some extra money. I just had to pay an insane amount to fly my girl back and forth for a family emergancy on the other side of the country. Then, I have to shell out a ton of cash for her to rent a car and all. needless to day, even tho i make a bit of lo0t, i could use an extra bump in the bank

tons of haters on this board.

I have top 10 spots - some I have had for years.

I have many happy students I have taught and many references.

Hit me up :)

I don't care about the SEO services for sale but I call bullshit on the PR7 domain. I don't think you have a clue how hard it is to get to a PR7, especially in adult (where PR is capped). Would love to see this site, but have a feeling it won't be shown.

We're haters, because you can't make money yourself with seo. You're begging people for money, so you can teach them SEO. Make some sense you clown!

a BROKE SEO?

come on man, at least smooth out the scam lines here, think it through


think

it

through


:2 cents:

I'm a clown? You are the one that has charged people to do work for them claiming you can get their sites high in the SE's and then came to me to teach you. Pursuing you and offering you deals isn't begging - I'm just following up on my sales leads call it what you want.

For the last comment - let me reiterate a few things:

1. I have examples of top ranked sites for very competitive terms - ie: #1 for handjobs.
2. I have testimonials from happy students I have taught posted in this thread and lots of references.

The reality is that whoever hires me to teach them will be happy and they are taking advantage of a great opportunity. I definitely know how to get top spots and I won't be offering these services for much longer. I have taken everyone's advice and I am working on my own sites.

So lets cut the shit. My results speak for themselves and I have plenty of references I can provide - is that how scammers operate? get real. take advantage of my knowledge while you still can.

exactly!
everyone really good at SEO will never need to make money by teaching other people....

um hello? I have top ten spots - they are posted in this thread like #1 in Yahoo for handjobs etc...the question of whether I am GOOD at seo or not should not be in question.

The reason I teach it is because consulting/teaching has been my only income since I sold my sites a few years ago and got lazy and decided to consult - now I only teach because this way clients are guaranteed an ROI and everything doesnt hinge on 1 site's success.

The content of what I teach is well worth the price - ask any of my students and do the math.

No, he does NOT deliver what he promises. And he's a bullshit artist at getting himself more time, which then he won't follow through on.

And Jojojo, you better pay ME first before you pay anyone else, that's just really fucking scummy otherwise.

And not all your debts are SEO related?? Your debts are already in 5 digits with "people" and high 4 digits of that that I know of (just under 5 digits) are SEO related; you have more debt than that? That's scary and bad.

WiredGuy knows more detail likely than any client Jojojo will ever get or hear; people can scam some, and not scam others. So far, he's scamming me and also owes Trax money; and as WiredGuy I believe said, is using new clients to pay off old debts ---

Actually, I haven't seen a penny, so he's not paying off debts.

So, please do continue to be his clients, so if in the past 10 months [yes, that long I have given him since he should have contractually given me my money back] he hasn't saved up enough to pay me, then at least I'll know collection's agency will have things to take from him.

He messaged me on the 21st telling me to message him. Him messaging me means nothing though, as he's done so before and said he'd pay me back before.

If I haven't received the first payment that I'm requesting from him [giving him a few multiple payments still] by the 28th (October 28th, this coming Friday; it's currently Sunday) then I'll start my process.

Jojojo he / you will pay up, whether I end up with a computer / anything with value which is sold by court order or not pay, is his decision; 8+ months of LEEWAY TIME is plenty of time especially with all of these "happy" clients posting; it's not hard to figure out, or even for me to have asked them what they've paid you.

1) I haven't been paid. It's been far too long; PAY ME or a collection's agency will be coming.

2) You've breached and broken our contract multiple times, and didn't perform along the terms of our contract, which seal you from speaking about it.

3) Trax still hasn't been paid

4) It's obvious that you're bringing in the money to be able to pay people back.

5) You're lucky you haven't fucked over some mobster guy or you would probably be worrying a lot more, or maybe would actually have paid them money owed.

Actually, I will give you a call now to let you know I am waiting for you to message me.

Matt

You know Mike, this is great information for knowing you're bringing in money, and purposefully not paying off debts to show your wilfully not paying back money owed which is causing increasing damages as you don't pay.

Matt

Time to clear this fucking shit up.

#1 yes I owe trax $500 for something non seo related - he said don't worry pay me later when we do more biz - we never did. He has asked me for the money and had requested a special form of delivery. Then changed it to another kind... I will be paying him back as soon as I have $$ in my epass account.

#2 Stupid me I decided to sign your fucking bullshit contract which gives you absolute power over the entire deal. Regardless of the performance of the project which had limited success. I don't now and won't be able to pay you the amount you are talking about by the specific time.

#3 The income I get from teaching people pays my bills and other debts I haven't been in a position to pay the amount in question.

At the end of the day you will get your money one way or the other because of your bs fucking contract.

#4 All of my students are very happy and the information is well worth it.

So really you have just posted this here to try and bash me and make me out to be a scammer but you can't... you see its real simple:

1. I have top ten spots right now.
2. Everyone I have taught is happy.
3. Everyone who has paid me for teaching has been taught.
4. The price of my course is well worth the money.

I am not a scammer - I have a few disappointed clients like you and an old debt - trax.

Again this is another reason I only teach the information how to get top rankings now - so I don't have to deal with this fucking bullshit anymore. You take the info and go build 10+ sites - some will do well and you will make $$ - I won't have to be dragged to court because the project wasn't 100% success.

I can do better :thumbsup

all of the lessons can easily be found on any SEO site.

You wouldn't have paid your debt to him if he didn't have a contract?

jesus christ, i can't believe people fall for this dudes shit time after time!

hEY jO - did you get around to those other 4 domains yet?

Why did you sign it then?
WG

He obviously needed the money. People will sign anything to receive money.

I always thought your shit we've / I've had to deal with has been quite clear.


As far as I know it was you buying links from his sites? That would build link popularity, no? Link popularity is apart of SEO, unless you don't consider it to be, which you can't actually do. STOP LYING / bullshitting.


Absolute power over the entire deal; yes, it's called a safety-net, and is the point of a contract --- you shouldn't have signed it if you thought it was 'fucking bullshit' and since you did, and the 'performance of the project which had limited success' [which gave you 6 months of time (I wanted 3 months) which you stated at the time you'd be comfortable and easily be able to accomplish / succeed / perform -- So your #2 reply is fucking bullshit to quote you. BTW, THREE MORE MONTHS on top of the 8+ that you've had to save up money to pay me back?


You haven't even attempted to save up even $1 a day to return the money. And to pay bills and OTHER DEBTS? So, you just stated you do have money, which contradicts basically everything you've said.


"Why did you sign it then?" - WiredGuy
"You wouldn't have paid your debt to him if he didn't have a contract?" - uno

And Chaldoray seems to have the answer... with, "He obviously needed the money. People will sign anything to receive money."

And obviously, you don't sign something at the time if you think it is bullshit.


Disappointed client? You've had my money (high 4 digits) for ~18 months now, and have been bullshitting me this whole time along to give you more time. That's scamming to me.


Not 100% success? It's more around about a 3-4% success give or take 1-2% error margin on my estimate; so the fucking bullshit was created by you.

There are always ways to pay someone back - what do you own of value? Sell things and give me the money; I may agree to receiving a lesser amount from you depending on how quickly the money would be returned.

Okay, well, he just stated he has no assets [BS, because he's typing on a computer, living someone, is likely sitting on a chair and has a desk, and at least one lightbulb, etc.] and continues to breach the contract, and once again admitted to me on ICQ that he's breached the contract, and in here alone also mentioned his 'performance was limited' and that I'm basically an unsatisfied customer [you owe me a lot of money].

I guess time will tell what happens, and no, I don't plan on keeping GFY up-to-date, though people can message me and if I have the time or feel like it, I'll respond. ICQ 129060301 or email [email protected]

Matt

Nice to see you come and post this after our conversation - what do you call this post then? sounds to me like you are keeping them up to date...

I don't know why you would go and post this - it's easier for me to get clients and pay you back if you DON'T post negative shit about me.

You all know how anal retentive Nysus is :upsidedow

As I said I have a few disappointed clients and I owe trax money for a brokerage deal I arranged.



Again this is why I only teach now.

All of my students are happy.

I have not scammed any students - everyone that has paid me has been taught.

Does what I teach work? well I have top ten spots including #1 for handjobs so you decide for yourself.

Is the information I teach worth $1000? well if you have got se traffic before then you know the answer is HELL YES... if you have never got se traffic before then let me tell you that with my teaching if you apply it you can make several thousand per month np.

Hit me up on ICQ to learn this before I don't have to whore my brain out anymore. I will provide you with many happy references of students :thumbsup

bump for the suckers who pays a broke "seo"

Yes, please do give Jojojo money so he has assets / money to pay me back.

And I told you I was going to post, our conversation interrupted my post -- that had mostly been written out already.

And calling me anything isn't a good idea --- and talking with you really means nothing, until I actually have my money back.

And, "your students are happy", congrats, you could end up having to declare bankruptcy if I come after you for the money you owe and damages because everyone / I / you know I would win because you've admitted to everything, even on the board; I don't think that's even entered your mind the consequences you could end up putting yourself into, and once again I'm purely telling you this based on possible situations and to hopefully make you realize what you could end up doing to your own financial / life situation; and no, I'm personally not even the one who even thought about you declaring bankruptcy because you'd not be able to pay / would have everything taken from you [or whatever you have, or say you don't have], so please don't try and state again that I'm trying to intimidate you.

It's simply just not smart to have debts, and especially to not pay them, and even more so to take a long time before even starting to pay them.

And I still hope to hear from you tomorrow as you said you would in the conclusion to our discussion on ICQ.

Matt

Your explanation that you teach because you don't want 1/10 dissatisfied SEO clients yelling at you is bullshit. If you really knew SEO you'd be doing it FOR YOURSELF and raking in so much fucking affiliate income that these meager debts would be paid off long ago.

my only question is, if you are so good at it, why aren't you making a sizeable revenue stream instread of showing others how to make money that could be yours?

:2 cents:

Hey jojojo want to give me a free lesson ? I'll verify that you are legit ;)

I have already explained I sold all my sites long ago I have lots of my own domains I am working on now and once they are making money I won't HAVE TO teach anymore.

I have top ten spots including #1 spots the issue of whether or not I am good at seo shouldn't be in question.

I have many happy students - some of which are now seeing results.

Hit me up and take advantage of my knowledge while I still HAVE TO whore my brain out for a living.

Could you please post the new links you are working on ?

I understand you wanting to drum up some new biz, but don't you realize how insulting it is to post soliciting business on the same board that you owe multiple people money? Also, try dropping your inflated fees and you'll get a lot more work and have some income coming in.

well the person I owe $500 too will be paid as soon as I get $$ in my epass since that is the method they requested - the other debt is very large and I am currently dealing with it with the other party offline on icq making arrangements etc thanks to the stupid ass contract I agreed to.

Inflated fees? I think I am undercharging for my classes considering most people if they use the information will make several thousand per month.

you guys are basically saying, "why become a teacher of anything, you could be making more money knowing what you know than teaching others"

some people choose to do both

not hard to understand. so you have a few bad clients, i wonder how many bad clients microsoft has LOL

not to mention sometimes business deals do not work out. this is not the shoppping channel, you do not get a 30 day money back guarantee. I mean come on guys, aren't you smart enough to be able to play with what you can afford to lose with out whineing over it?

thanks for seeing the logic... I definitely have more happy clients vs pissed off ones.

and everyone I have taught is happy.

I don't see why its so hard to fathom that I am sick of being responsible for people's rankings when they give me one site to work on... now that I teach it people can make 10 sites and SOME will work and they will make an ROI... isn't that the most important thing - that they make an ROI on their investment and they are happy? I think teaching is a win win situation for all.

Fuck it..I will give it a shot, why not.

I will pay Trax the $500 you owe him right now and you give me package #1, the $1000 package.

Deal?

Deal. ICQing you now to make arrangements.

Cool.

Trax, please ICQ me with your paypal info.

sent you a paypal addy

T

How did you send it? I don't have an email or icq from you.

jeff AT sunupmedia DOT com