I have worked for a few companies that used NATS and I have always enjoyed using it. Sometimes I think that the wording is hard to understand when using the knowledge base I think that its writen for programmers by programmers. A good technical editor that could rewrite it for end users would make life easier.

thats the one think I have had problems with but the Tech staff always helps me out! they are excellent.


Now that Ellisa and I have our own program we are excited to be able to use the same back end that we have been working with for the past few years.

Good post man :thumbsup

Nice post man. The only beef I have with you is that those cupcakes you baked for me had out of season decorations on them. This is fucking October, you don't put Christmas colored sprinkles on Halloween cupcakes. :mad:

NATS has been very helpful and very responsive to us. John is a pleasure to talk to .

I think you raised some valid questions SOS and I think John answeared to the satisfaction of most. Kudos to both of you and thanks for a good thread here it was refreshing to see good exchanges without all the bullshit.

Interesting

I have to admit to you that concern about stealing member information is the reason I am not using NATS. I fully intended to sign up for NATS in Phoenix this year but two former users told me their concerns, which caused me to change my mind. The main concern was that it seemed John's programs were growing at an extraordinary rate and "how could that happen without stealing information?".

Please note: I am not saying this is the case. I am saying these are the concerns that were expressed to me and the reasons I changed my mind.

I wish i didn't have those concerns because I would love to use their software. Or MPA3's software. Alas, I have sat back and used neither.

The only beef I have with NATS is that they always have their parties in NJ instead of CA. :winkwink:

Perhaps in addition to the two who left you should have also spoken with the well over 100 happy clients of ours :)

As I said before I understand the concern and I'd give you a longer reply but I lost all respect for you when you said how you sat on a bug in our code for a few months and used it to access things you weren't supposed to instead of coming to us with it so we could fix it.

And for the record my programs have not grown substantially since NATS has been around. Certain people love to assume. Some of the things I've heard have come out of people's mouths are downright insulting and ridiculous but I've learned to ignore them.

This thread is refreshing to say the least.

Nice to see things discussed openly and intelligently and opinions offered on a popular program like NATS.

Threads like this should be offered about all different programs and software- likes and dislikes, advantages and disadvantages, etc.

This sort of dicussion you should be done with different programs regularily, like Sleazy's interviews. :2 cents:

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Nader in there like a fat kid on a twinkie :thumbsup

I would like to see exactly WHERE I said that *I* sat on that bug or accessed anything. Seriously.


50 misreadings of what I actually said.

fitty :321GFY

EDIT: 51... damn you DonovanPhillips :eyecrazy

You didn't directly say it. You mentioned how those who knew about it (whick you stated you did) found it better to make use of it rather than report it as the information was valuable and a lot could be learned.

If you honestly did not wrongly access anyone then I appologize. I just simply find it very hard to believe based on what you've said.

However, whether or not you did anything with it doesn't change you knowing about it and not bothering to tell us about it. If you weren't making use of it, why not let us know so we could fix it quicker than when someone finally did come to us with it?

I don't remember exactly what I said. I don't remember saying that I knew about it. I do remember that I worded it so that the meaning was very obscure. The truth is that two friends of mine had been using NATS and dropped it due to concerns about NATS creators stealing member information. In my mind that made it so. Perhaps I should not have jumped on that thought, but it's hard not to do it when two people you know have used the software and expressed the concerns. I'm not going to say I still don't harbor a bit of those suspicions. It is hard to trust anyone in this business. So at the time I was enjoying the drama that was going on with NATS, yes. That is something I'll admit to. Beyond that, I'd like to see the quote of what I actually said. Anyone?

We have 8 sites now and like 6 more on the way very soon. I am definitely considering NATS in the future.

I'll give it a good look tomorrow (vB's search functionality sucks). In the large thread about it I found you hinted at it by mentioning it's one of the concerns you heard about in Pheonix. I remember you stating it more clearly when I asked why not just tell us about it. I'll see if I can find that in the morning.

I also came across stuff about you talking about my programs "growing" since NATS came about. Huge assumption on your part and simply wrong. My house was purchased in 2000 for instance. Long before NATS came about. Along with many other things.

I understand you believing your friends 100% as I would of couse most likely do the same. It was your attitude about it, constant negative comments about us on the boards based on hearsay, and above mentioned issues that have given me the opinion of you that I have now.

"Few" - "Overseas"

WTF? Everyone is offshoring fucking everything now!

We have perfectly good hackers here in the states!

And why a few? Just get a good 1!

LOL, it was of course hypothetical and therefore not 100% thought out :)

I love nats. :)

I am listening to Barry Manilow's Greatest Hits.

"Nope, I'm talkin' about you. Little do you know but some of us knew about the glitch long before it was made public. When certain little people started talking big numbers, those who knew about the glitch could look, learn and laugh.

Those who knew kept it quiet. There was a lot to be learned in them thar pages." - DonovanPhillips

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...2&postcount=72
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=479188&page=2

I couldn't sleep until I found it. Your statement is pretty obvious in my opinion.

Perhaps instead of running around and accusing others of things they are not doing you should be more worried about yourself and what you may be doing that you shouldn't be.

Agree.

Donovan, between this and the Lightspeed drama it's getting to be a bit much lately.

"Some of us" means that I personally knew, eh? Are you sure about that? Are you absolutely positive "some of us" couldn't include a group of people from GFY that may not have included me? Is that possible?

I dunno. You tell me.

Lightspeed fucked over my cousin. Fact.

Two different program owners I personally know left NATS over concerns about the handling of member info. Fact.

This is a bit much? Why?

Say it was meant however you want it to be now. My opinion of you stands.

If I said "some of us think that Donovan is xyz" then that would be interpreted to have myself included. It's pretty standard english. However you'll probably keep trying to defend yourself so I'm done.

I'm not defending anything. I asked a few questions. The truth of the matter is that I did not personally have access to anyone's information. But I do know people who did. Not like it really matters. It was not anyone else's fault that your code was screwed at the time.

The responsibility still lays on the shoulders of the creator.

We have never done anything we shouldn't have with anyone's member info. Give it up already. Two clients out of nearly 200 have left NATS unhappy. Perhaps they were wrong with their assumptions?

This will be my last reply you. Please don't continue to make baseless completely false accusations about myself and my company.

I will say this: I have no first hand experience that you misuse that information. But isn't it true that you have access to it? That's scary enough, as sonofsam mentioned in his opening post. This discussion with me tonight started when I said, "Here's why I chose not to use NATS". Your answers to sam were quite civil. Do my questions touch some nerves? I guess so. Whatever.

i'm about to switch over to NATS real soon...the only problem is I don't want to be cutting cheques and mail it to the affiliates, i'm one lazy mofo lol...PBbucksjohn do you know of any company that handles payroll worldwide, just some place where i can wire them a chunk of money at a time and they can handle all the payouts for me.?

Hi. Can you please contact Jayson - icq - 155784096 re the above.

Sos, thanks for the great post. Good to see some good discussion on GFY.

I just wanted to comment on the "access to the admin" issue that many have concerns with, and I fully understand that. But like we keep saying, it is very easy for you to lock us out of your system. Two things need to be done:
1) Change our NATS account to non-admin or simply delete or disable the account.
2) Change the password to the login we used to install the software for you.

From then on it will be impossible to access for us. Of course, the conspiracy theorists here will now claim we have backdoors in the system, but we do not. I can obviously not prove that we do not have any, but let me say this: do you think we would maintain obfuscated logins and passwords to over 150 affiliate programs for admin access so we can help our clients in case of problems if we had some kind of backdoor in our system?

One thing everyone will like to hear is that starting in v3.0 of NATS (which I will not say more about, just that its kicking ass! :)) it logs all admin activity by any admin account to the database so you can verify what each admin in your system is doing, another thing to let you keep an eye on our support people and of course also on your own admins.

Again, thanks sos for the kind words and good criticism.

Nats runs our program Wildcash.com and I couldn't ask for a better program. We are expanding into a 2nd program soon and are looking forward to using a 2nd install of NATS for this use.

NATS is nearly perfect, its stable and fast and like John said Fabian must be a "stats whore" cause there are more stats and features than I even have time to look at. John/Fabian and the team have created the best affilate software bar none available today.

Too those who don't have NATS, GET IT ;)

interesting review
Thank You!
:)

This is a good read, thanks SOS.

interesting thread :)

I'm planning on going with nats when I launch my program as it looks amazing. Keep up the great work guys.

great post. If nats changes to lite for 10-15 site or any other structure ill seriously look at it, with 3 new solo sites comin and adding more processors its a great deal.

>>> So nats owners : who pays out through ccbill (main portion) and the other sponsors through epass? Cause thats an option Id like to think about.

if you purchase for 12k is it updates for life unlimited sites?

What you mean by payout by ccbill? When you have nats, ccbill will pay you 100%, and you have to pay your affiliates 100%....You can't have ccbill do the payouts to affiliates like in "ccbill" only mode...