Us governement cover up? Egypt Air 990 crash. - GoFuckYourself.com

UltraSonic · 10-17-2005, 02:27 AM

At October 31, 1999, a Boeing 767 model 366 ER crashed into the Atlantic Ocean about 60 miles south of Nantucket Island, Massachusetts.

The NTSB started an investigation and had a final report on March 21, 2002. Shortly after that the investigation was re-opened and i just got my hands on the "final-final" report, i got my hands on it thruw the BREA (British Cockpit As.), since i am a member of it and the president was a member of the investigating team.

Nothing was changed from the first report and the outcome still states that the copilot was on a suicide flight, disconnected the autopilot, started a rapid descent and finally switched of the engines. At the time the copilot switched of the autopilot and started the descent the captain was not in the cockpit.

The sole basis for accusing Anwar, 36, of murdering 216 people was an apparent prayer uttered (presumably) by him just before the (apparent) manual disconnection of the aircraft's autopilot. This "prayer," recorded by the plane's cockpit voice recorder and quoted by news sources as "I put my life (or fate) in your hands," has been referred to in these US news accounts as a "shahada"

Now, lets look at this from a pilots point of view:

First of all, more then 50% of the translaters stated that this phrase is often used when muslims face death and are an equivalent of the English "Oh my god" or "Help me god".

Secondly the voice recorder revealed that the captain entered the cockpit when they where at zero gravity, caused by the dive the aircraft was in. Shortly after that the aicrafts elevators (the control surfaces on the Empennage designed to point the plane up or down) are found to be in a "split" configuration. This has been spun as a sign that the pilot and co-pilot were fighting each other for control of the aircraft, since with enough pressure on the control column they can be operated separately.

Of course, there is another scenario. Assuming for the moment that the man in the co-pilots chair was not suicidal but rather attempting to regain control of the aircraft, it seems somewhat unlikely that the split was caused by the two men working at cross purposes. What we propose is that the pilot, upon re-entering the cockpit, was probably thrown violently against the control column as he attempted to regain his seat, a late report on CNN, indicating that at one point the split had the pilot's elevator in the "down" position while the co-pilot's was "up," is completely consistent with this picture, this states that the copilot was actually trying to get the nose back UP and not DOWN.

It would have taken several seconds for him to regain his senses and begin to assist the co-pilot in pulling out of the dive. This idea is further supported by the voice recorder, which indicates no argument among the two men. In fact, the pilot is heard to say clearly "Pull with me. Help me. Pull with me"

Unfortunately for all aboard, things then took a dramatic turn for the worse. Just as it seemed the plane had been saved, someone (or "something") literally cut off both the engines! Moments later, all electrical power on the airplane was also permanently lost, since at this point both the transponder and the two cockpit recorders abruptly ceased to function."

It is at this point that things get truly weird. The standard "nitwitness news" concept for the next few moments is that the plane was fully pulled out of the dive and then began to climb -- remember, with its engines shut off -- over 7,600 feet! With no power to restart the engines the plane then supposedly stalled and plummeted the rest of the way into the ocean.

It is at this point that things get truly weird. The standard "nitwitness news" concept for the next few moments is that the plane was fully pulled out of the dive and then began to climb -- remember, with its engines shut off -- over 7,600 feet! With no power to restart the engines the plane then supposedly stalled and plummeted the rest of the way into the ocean.

There are several problems with this notion. First is the radar data, confirmed by six different Air Force stations, which does not show a stall but instead a breakup of the aircraft into multiple targets as it flutters to the sea in it's final descent. The maximum stress would have been at the pull up point from the initial steep descent (now determined to be at about 16,400 feet -- 300 feet lower than initially reported). Here, not after a nearly 8,000 foot climb (which the same radar clearly shows was with the plane all in one piece), would have been the max g-loads imposed by the pull up itself. If Flight 990 was going to break up from stress alone, it would have done so before the "magical, powerless ascent."

The other problem is the idea that momentum alone could account for 990's more than a mile and a half in gained altitude. This is utterly ludicrous to anyone who understands the laws of physics, much less anyone who has flown or seen a commercial jetliner like the 767 ... In fact, the radar data was so at odds with common sense that it's accuracy was initially disputed by various aviation experts.

My personal idea: the aircraft was hijacked or was involved in a mid air collision with a military aircraft. Both outcomes would have been no good for the US governement.

8 Characters · 10-17-2005, 02:29 AM

It was shot down. Think about it.

UltraSonic · 10-17-2005, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 8 Characters

It was shot down. Think about it.

No, you are talking about TWA 880. Any "shot" aircraft isn't going to start a 7000 foot climb, especially one without any engine power.

8 Characters · 10-17-2005, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by UltraSonic

No, you are talking about TWA 880. Any "shot" aircraft isn't going to start a 7000 foot climb, especially one without any engine power.

An evasive climb.

KingK7 · 10-17-2005, 02:34 AM

Where is this taken from?

UltraSonic · 10-17-2005, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by KingK7

Where is this taken from?

I post on pilot boards, i'm not going to post links, Lensman might not like it.

8 Characters · 10-17-2005, 02:39 AM

Can you take us through it step-by-step in point form? I'm not too sure my simple mind can piece it all together from the original post.

UltraSonic · 10-17-2005, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 8 Characters

Can you take us through it step-by-step in point form? I'm not too sure my simple mind can piece it all together from the original post.

1) Aircraft is cruising at aprox. 37,000 feet and the captain leaves the cockpit. Shortly after that things start to change.

2) Autopilot is switched off.

3) Aircraft starts a rapid descent.

4) Captain enters the cockpit.

5) Elevator is in "split" configuration.

6) Engines are cut off.

7) Elevator back in up configuration.

8) Copilot asks captain to help him pull it up.

9) Aircraft climbs 7000 feet (without engines?)

10) Aircraft starts to desintegrate due to over-stressing the fuselage. If the fuselage starts to desintegrate due to over-stress it should have done it when the nose was pointed back up out of the dive, NOT at the top of the dive.

11) Aircaft hits the Ocean.

8 Characters · 10-17-2005, 02:56 AM

tnx. this is hurting my brain. I need to think.

Matt 26z · 10-17-2005, 03:46 AM

Exactly why they need video cameras in all cockpits.

I'm not sold on the conspiracy idea of this crash though. No terrorists could be heard on board. It certainly wasn't shot down. Collision doesn't seem realistic either given the series of events.

viking1 · 10-17-2005, 05:21 AM

well its old news that the captein was depressed and they think it was suicide .

UltraSonic · 10-17-2005, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by viking1

well its old news that the captein was depressed and they think it was suicide .

Get your facts straight if you want to talk about something.... the captain wasn't even in the cockpit when events started.

UltraSonic · 10-17-2005, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Exactly why they need video cameras in all cockpits.

I'm not sold on the conspiracy idea of this crash though. No terrorists could be heard on board. It certainly wasn't shot down. Collision doesn't seem realistic either given the series of events.

You think the whole cockpit tape was released? Nope, in total they had over 12 minutes missing, parts of it before engine shut down.

10-17-2005, 02:27 AM	#1
UltraSonic Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: UltraVirtuality Posts: 1,728	Us governement cover up? Egypt Air 990 crash. At October 31, 1999, a Boeing 767 model 366 ER crashed into the Atlantic Ocean about 60 miles south of Nantucket Island, Massachusetts. The NTSB started an investigation and had a final report on March 21, 2002. Shortly after that the investigation was re-opened and i just got my hands on the "final-final" report, i got my hands on it thruw the BREA (British Cockpit As.), since i am a member of it and the president was a member of the investigating team. Nothing was changed from the first report and the outcome still states that the copilot was on a suicide flight, disconnected the autopilot, started a rapid descent and finally switched of the engines. At the time the copilot switched of the autopilot and started the descent the captain was not in the cockpit. The sole basis for accusing Anwar, 36, of murdering 216 people was an apparent prayer uttered (presumably) by him just before the (apparent) manual disconnection of the aircraft's autopilot. This "prayer," recorded by the plane's cockpit voice recorder and quoted by news sources as "I put my life (or fate) in your hands," has been referred to in these US news accounts as a "shahada" Now, lets look at this from a pilots point of view: First of all, more then 50% of the translaters stated that this phrase is often used when muslims face death and are an equivalent of the English "Oh my god" or "Help me god". Secondly the voice recorder revealed that the captain entered the cockpit when they where at zero gravity, caused by the dive the aircraft was in. Shortly after that the aicrafts elevators (the control surfaces on the Empennage designed to point the plane up or down) are found to be in a "split" configuration. This has been spun as a sign that the pilot and co-pilot were fighting each other for control of the aircraft, since with enough pressure on the control column they can be operated separately. Of course, there is another scenario. Assuming for the moment that the man in the co-pilots chair was not suicidal but rather attempting to regain control of the aircraft, it seems somewhat unlikely that the split was caused by the two men working at cross purposes. What we propose is that the pilot, upon re-entering the cockpit, was probably thrown violently against the control column as he attempted to regain his seat, a late report on CNN, indicating that at one point the split had the pilot's elevator in the "down" position while the co-pilot's was "up," is completely consistent with this picture, this states that the copilot was actually trying to get the nose back UP and not DOWN. It would have taken several seconds for him to regain his senses and begin to assist the co-pilot in pulling out of the dive. This idea is further supported by the voice recorder, which indicates no argument among the two men. In fact, the pilot is heard to say clearly "Pull with me. Help me. Pull with me" Unfortunately for all aboard, things then took a dramatic turn for the worse. Just as it seemed the plane had been saved, someone (or "something") literally cut off both the engines! Moments later, all electrical power on the airplane was also permanently lost, since at this point both the transponder and the two cockpit recorders abruptly ceased to function." It is at this point that things get truly weird. The standard "nitwitness news" concept for the next few moments is that the plane was fully pulled out of the dive and then began to climb -- remember, with its engines shut off -- over 7,600 feet! With no power to restart the engines the plane then supposedly stalled and plummeted the rest of the way into the ocean. It is at this point that things get truly weird. The standard "nitwitness news" concept for the next few moments is that the plane was fully pulled out of the dive and then began to climb -- remember, with its engines shut off -- over 7,600 feet! With no power to restart the engines the plane then supposedly stalled and plummeted the rest of the way into the ocean. There are several problems with this notion. First is the radar data, confirmed by six different Air Force stations, which does not show a stall but instead a breakup of the aircraft into multiple targets as it flutters to the sea in it's final descent. The maximum stress would have been at the pull up point from the initial steep descent (now determined to be at about 16,400 feet -- 300 feet lower than initially reported). Here, not after a nearly 8,000 foot climb (which the same radar clearly shows was with the plane all in one piece), would have been the max g-loads imposed by the pull up itself. If Flight 990 was going to break up from stress alone, it would have done so before the "magical, powerless ascent." The other problem is the idea that momentum alone could account for 990's more than a mile and a half in gained altitude. This is utterly ludicrous to anyone who understands the laws of physics, much less anyone who has flown or seen a commercial jetliner like the 767 ... In fact, the radar data was so at odds with common sense that it's accuracy was initially disputed by various aviation experts. My personal idea: the aircraft was hijacked or was involved in a mid air collision with a military aircraft. Both outcomes would have been no good for the US governement. __________________ Your Blend, Your Product

10-17-2005, 02:29 AM	#2
8 Characters So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: This month's character: Dirty Franck Posts: 2,336	It was shot down. Think about it.

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KingK7 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 6,372	Where is this taken from?

10-17-2005, 02:39 AM	#7
8 Characters So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: This month's character: Dirty Franck Posts: 2,336	Can you take us through it step-by-step in point form? I'm not too sure my simple mind can piece it all together from the original post.

10-17-2005, 02:56 AM	#9
8 Characters So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: This month's character: Dirty Franck Posts: 2,336	tnx. this is hurting my brain. I need to think.

10-17-2005, 03:46 AM	#10
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	Exactly why they need video cameras in all cockpits. I'm not sold on the conspiracy idea of this crash though. No terrorists could be heard on board. It certainly wasn't shot down. Collision doesn't seem realistic either given the series of events.

10-17-2005, 05:21 AM	#11
viking1 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Christmas Island Posts: 493	well its old news that the captein was depressed and they think it was suicide .